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[quote=diehardskin2982;1099924]Bruce Allen does not need to be fired, IMO. His responsibility needs to be changed. He is the Manager and a good one at that. He needs to hire the executive cook (GM). He already has him on staff in AJ Smith. AJ needs to pick the players and then Bruce needs to negotiate the contracts and be the buffer for Snyder.

Gruden needs to be traded to the Raiders or another team, he is just not a fit for this atmosphere. It would workout better for all parties involved if they let another team take on that pay check.[/quote]

I like it. Except nobody is taking Gruden for HC. Maybe OC, and they're not gonna "pay"

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[quote=punch it in;1099887]Due to the complete shitshow he inherited the jury is still out. I have never once said Gruden is a great or even good coach. I simply think it is not fair to fire him for turning a 3-13 team into a 3-13 team without the benefit of the cap money, first round pick, and a real DC.[/quote]

What you described is the embodiment of piss poor decision making. That's not how you evaluate someone. You evaluate someone based on whether they are performing and excelling at their job. Looking at the Redskins it is my belief that they are remarkably worse than last year's team despite minor change in personal. With the addition of DJax the case could even be made that they are better than last year's team.

I think if you truly look at Gruden's body of work as the a head coach of the Redskins you will quickly realize this men is incompetent. Usually all the dirt comes out after somebody gets fire, for example, Zorn not practicing situational plays and I think we will be just as appalled when dirt comes out on Gruden.

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[QUOTE=saden1;1099931]What you described is the embodiment of piss poor decision making. That's not how you evaluate someone. You evaluate someone based on whether they are performing and excelling at their job. Looking at the Redskins it is my belief that they are remarkably worse than last year's team despite minor change in personal. With the addition of DJax the case could even be made that they are better than last year's team.



I think if you truly look at Gruden's body of work as the a head coach of the Redskins you will quickly realize this men is incompetent. Usually all the dirt comes out after somebody's fire, for example Zorn not practicing situational plays and I think we will be just as appalled when Gruden's dirt comes to light.[/QUOTE]


Im glad that throughout the history of the NFL that all the decision makers weren't as blind to extenuating circumstances, or as hasty as you. It would have been a shame to have had so many good players and coaches cut or fired before their time.
I have no idea what Gruden will do next year, but I do know that the offense in Cincy is mediocre at best since he left . I do know that there are probably no coaches in the NFL today that would have more than 5 wins on this team today.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1099924]Bruce Allen does not need to be fired, IMO. His responsibility needs to be changed. He is the Manager and a good one at that. He needs to hire the executive cook (GM). He already has him on staff in AJ Smith. AJ needs to pick the players and then Bruce needs to negotiate the contracts and be the buffer for Snyder.

Gruden needs to be traded to the Raiders or another team, he is just not a fit for this atmosphere. It would workout better for all parties involved if they let another team take on that pay check.[/quote]


Too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the broth.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;1099924]Bruce Allen does not need to be fired, IMO. His responsibility needs to be changed. He is the Manager and a good one at that. He needs to hire the executive cook (GM). He already has him on staff in AJ Smith. AJ needs to pick the players and then Bruce needs to negotiate the contracts and be the buffer for Snyder.

Gruden needs to be traded to the Raiders or another team, he is just not a fit for this atmosphere. It would workout better for all parties involved if they let another team take on that pay check.[/quote]

Allen has already usurped his position to become the personnel fuhrer. It's hard to put that genie back into the bottle and make him just do contracts, either from the team's or Allen's point of view. Bruce needs to call a realtor.

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[quote=Kope;1099920]Most cases in the NFL I would agree with you 100%. But this is not most cases in the NFL, and I would have tried to make sure the team got some sort of points before the half. Just pissed me off we got nothing. I think it was the right call too....that made me more mad.

So clear from my armchair tho[/quote]

I thought he called a pass play that went bust and the QB took off.

He shouldn't have to explain the situation to a 3rd year NFL professional quarterback who can look up at the clock and realize he needs to make a quick completion or incompletion to save enough time to kick a FG.

It's all "ifs" and "buts" though. If it was a TD he would have been a hero.

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[quote=Lotus;1099942]Allen has already usurped his position to become the personnel fuhrer. It's hard to put that genie back into the bottle and make him just do contracts, either from the team's or Allen's point of view. Bruce needs to call a realtor.[/quote]

Allen still has final approval, but the real cooks are AJ & Co. That is the closest thing to what will happen that we will get. Allen will not be fired after one year as president.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1099947]I thought he called a pass play that went bust and the QB took off.

He shouldn't have to explain the situation to a 3rd year NFL professional quarterback who can look up at the clock and realize he needs to make a quick completion or incompletion to save enough time to kick a FG.

It's all "ifs" and "buts" though. If it was a TD he would have been a hero.[/quote]

Yep....throw the ball away...kick the field goal.
The guy is not a good game manager.
Trade his narrow ass ASAP.....

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1099948][B]Allen still has final approval, but the real cooks are AJ & Co. [/B]That is the closest thing to what will happen that we will get. Allen will not be fired after one year as president.[/quote]

No offense but my understanding is that what you said is untrue. Why is AJ just a consultant? Because Allen is calling the personnel shots much more actively than "final approval."

Mike Shanahan left a personnel power vacuum and Allen filled it.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1099949]Yep....throw the ball away...kick the field goal.
The guy is not a good game manager.
Trade his narrow ass ASAP.....[/quote]

Gruden has been preaching decisiveness and competing and that's what he did.

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[quote=Lotus;1099953]No offense but my understanding is that what you said is untrue. Why is AJ just a consultant? Because Allen is calling the personnel shots much more actively than "final approval."

Mike Shanahan left a personnel power vacuum and Allen filled it.[/quote]

I was speaking about my future scenario, not the current situation. AJ is an team executive, more than a consultant. No one outside of Redskins Park knows really what he does for the team.

I think this is how they will adjust the front office.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1099972]I was speaking about my future scenario, not the current situation. AJ is an team executive, more than a consultant. No one outside of Redskins Park knows really what he does for the team.

I think this is how they will adjust the front office.[/quote]

I think that would be an improvement over what we have now. We had a lot of injuries this year, but I would still say Allen's first FA class was pretty bad, and the draft class is at best mediocre. I'm fine with Allen doing contracts, but he shouldn't be the guy calling the personnel shots.

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[quote=punch it in;1099933]Im glad that throughout the history of the NFL that all the decision makers weren't as blind to extenuating circumstances, or as hasty as you. It would have been a shame to have had so many good players and coaches cut or fired before their time.
I have no idea what Gruden will do next year, but I do know that the offense in Cincy is mediocre at best since he left . I do know that there are probably no coaches in the NFL today that would have more than 5 wins on this team today.[/quote]

AJ Green has been hobbled this season, he was a monster last year and the year before...

Cincy's offense still looks better than anything Gruden has put together this year.

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1099986]AJ Green has been hobbled this season, he was a monster last year and the year before...



Cincy's offense still looks better than anything Gruden has put together this year.[/QUOTE]


Really? Ask the Colts who they thought was better.

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[quote=punch it in;1099987]Really? Ask the Colts who they thought was better.[/quote]

Here go buddy:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2014&seasonType=REG]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1099988]Here go buddy:





[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2014&seasonType=REG]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url][/QUOTE]



Rotten, your post are becoming very rotten!! Do you have anything else besides spewing your dislike for Gruden? I'm starting to dislike this forum because of your rhetoric. Please come up with something different. As I was told on this site last year "You are a one trick pony"...

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1099988]Here go buddy:



[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2014&seasonType=REG]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url][/QUOTE]


Try looking at the rankings under the words "total offense" where we are number 12 and they are number 13.
Better yet stick with what I was saying and compare the Bengals from last year to the Bengals of this year. You want to bring up AJ Green? What about our complete lack of an o line, or three not so hot qb's? Wait till Gruden gets some competence on the line and a QB thats halfway decent. Probably though the front office will fail him like they have been failing coaches for 23 effin years.

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[quote=punch it in;1099987]Really? Ask the Colts who they thought was better.[/quote]

Gruden was a good OC in Cincy... What remains to be seen is if he is good HC material, and so far he is not making a case for himself... While I agree very few if any coaches would have success this year in DC, it really does seem like we are regressing instead of improving, which is very troublesome... Regardless, I think you give him another shot next year... But all of this is moot if Allen is still the guy evaluating the talent and shaping the roster...

Allen being the GM is by far the biggest reason why we suck this season...

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[QUOTE=Fiversons;1099993]Gruden was a good OC in Cincy... What remains to be seen is if he is good HC material, and so far he is not making a case for himself... While I agree very few if any coaches would have success this year in DC, it really does seem like we are regressing instead of improving, which is very troublesome... Regardless, I think you give him another shot next year... But all of this is moot if Allen is still the guy evaluating the talent and shaping the roster...



Allen being the GM is by far the biggest reason why we suck this season...[/QUOTE]


I couldnt agree more. Except I dont think we are regressing. I think we forget how bad we were just last year. I just want to give the guy a shot with all the trimmings - cap money, first round pick, New DC. As you said, and I have said hopefully the FO doesnt shit all over whatever changes need to be made to our team and our DC again.

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^^ Cincy averaging about 4 points more a game.

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[quote=punch it in;1099994]I couldnt agree more. I dont think we are regressing. I think we forget how bad we were just last year. I just want to give the guy a shot with all the trimmings - cap money, first round pick, New DC. As you said, and I have said hopefully the FO doesnt shit all over whatever changes need to be made to our team and our DC again.[/quote]

Now. If Dan actually decided to hire a real GM, then I would be all for letting that GM find a Coach, and letting that Coach pick his staff... You know, the way real freaking franchises run their team... And in that scenario, if Jay has to be sent packing, I really won't care because it's the right way to do to business... But if it's just the status quo all over again, and they think canning Jay is the answer to winning, I really might have to consider boycotting football for a while... I don't know how much longer I can take... This is by far the worst season I have ever followed, and that's saying a lot...

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[quote=punch it in;1099992]Try looking at the rankings under the words "total offense" where we are number 12 and they are number 13.
Better yet stick with what I was saying and compare the Bengals from last year to the Bengals of this year. You want to bring up AJ Green? What about our complete lack of an o line, or three not so hot qb's? Wait till Gruden gets some competence on the line and a QB thats halfway decent. Probably though the front office will fail him like they have been failing coaches for 23 effin years.[/quote]

Hey bud out of curiosity, what wins games when you watch football, points or yards?

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1099997]Hey bud out of curiosity, what wins games when you watch football, points or yards?[/QUOTE]


My original point, that you have somehow twisted around to spell Gruden Sucks, was that the Cincy O has taken a step back. It had nothing to do with the Redskins, and who effin cares if Cincy is kicking another fg than we are each week?!? In what world does that speak of or about J Grudens ability to be the HC on a team that hasnt sucked donkey balls for 23 years? Give the man a damn chance.
If we had half a decent line as Cincy and half a decent defense than we would be winning. None of that is Grudens fault. Not even close.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1099997]Hey bud out of curiosity, what wins games when you watch football, points or yards?[/quote]

That's a false either-or since yards can lead to points and defenses/special teams can, too.

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The lines on both sides of the ball are terrible. The entire defense has been pretty much been done on the cheap since forever.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1100007]The lines on both sides of the ball are terrible. The entire defense has been pretty much been done on the cheap since forever.[/quote]

we have a ton of cap space attributed to the DL. i posted the cap breakdown by position a few weeks ago per team and league avg.

on D - we are very heavy at DL and very light in secondary.

we have to have the cheapest corners and safeties in the league. tracy porter is by far the highest paid at 4.5 mil.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Fiversons;1099996]Now. If Dan actually decided to hire a real GM, then I would be all for letting that GM find a Coach, and letting that Coach pick his staff... You know, the way real freaking franchises run their team... And in that scenario, if Jay has to be sent packing, I really won't care because it's the right way to do to business... But if it's just the status quo all over again, and they think canning Jay is the answer to winning, I really might have to consider boycotting football for a while... I don't know how much longer I can take... [B]This is by far the worst season I have ever followed, and that's saying a lot...[/B][/quote]

Did you watch last year?

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I can't believe we paid Tracy effing Porter. The FA/draft for 2014 is complete head scratcher except DJax a saving grace.

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[quote=donofriose;1100010]Did you watch last year?[/quote]

This year is much worse, I don't know how anybody can say otherwise... At least last year we had the RGIII isn't recovered from injury excuse...

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Rotten1980;1100011]I can't believe we paid Tracy effing Porter. The FA/draft for 2014 is complete head scratcher except DJax a saving grace.[/quote]

Come jump aboard the fire Bruce Allen wagon... There is plenty of room left, but seats are filling up fast after each Sunday...

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[quote=punch it in;1099933]Im glad that throughout the history of the NFL that all the decision makers weren't as blind to extenuating circumstances, or as hasty as you. It would have been a shame to have had so many good players and coaches cut or fired before their time.
I have no idea what Gruden will do next year, but I do know that the offense in Cincy is mediocre at best since he left . I do know that there are probably no coaches in the NFL today that would have more than 5 wins on this team today.[/quote]

I am afraid you, sir, have the assessment and observational skills of a peanut.

...ah fck it...you are a moron if you think that at 9-4-1 the and leading thier division Bengals hurting because Gruden is not there.

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[quote=saden1;1100031]I am afraid you, sir, have the assessment and observational skills of a peanut.

...ah fck it...you are a moron if you think that at 9-4-1 the and leading thier division Bengals hurting because Gruden is not there.[/quote]

You're still here?
Shouldn't you be somewhere pressing your nose up Chip Kelly's ass?

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[QUOTE=saden1;1100031]I am afraid you, sir, have the assessment and observational skills of a peanut.



...ah fck it...you are a moron if you think that at 9-4-1 the and leading thier division Bengals hurting because Gruden is not there.[/QUOTE]


And you have the reading comprehension skills of the shortest hair growing out of my taint. I said (now follow me here) that their offense has taken a step back. What I did not say is that they are hurting.

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[QUOTE=donofriose;1100010]Did you watch last year?[/QUOTE]


Im seriously beginning to think that everyone blacked out after it was 14-0 Skins against Seattle in 2012 and woke up a couple of weeks ago. Lol. You would honestly think that Gruden came and just completely crapped all over a really good thing.

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Rotoworld is reporting that Gruden will be retained and back next year...

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[quote=mbedner3420;1100041]Rotoworld is reporting that Gruden will be retained and back next year...[/quote]

Sources close to the situation say he was over heard saying he wanted to prove all the haters wrong after receiving the news.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1100033]You're still here?
Shouldn't you be somewhere pressing your nose up Chip Kelly's ass?[/quote]

Nah, I'm still high from Mariota's Heisman victory and I am looking forward to an even bigger high when the Ducks win the national championship.

Despite your shortcomings you're looking [URL="http://www.newsbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/800-donkey.jpg"]good[/URL].

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[quote=punch it in;1100034]And you have the reading [B]comprehension[/B] skills of the shortest hair growing out of my taint. I said (now follow me here) that their offense has taken a step back. What I did not say is that they are hurting.[/quote]

You don't make sense and you certainly don't seem to know much about the Bengals. Man, Groot is more intelligent than you and it's probably more enjoyable to converse with.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=saden1;1100044]You don't make sense and you certainly don't seem to know much about the Bengals. Man, Groot is more intelligent than you and it's probably more enjoyable to converse with.[/QUOTE]


Ive always felt bad for you. Seems like you get picked on the most. Even though you are irrational with your posts and a big ole debbie downer I still always felt bad. Dont take this the wrong way but.....you sort of remind me of a mentally handicapped troll. No offense.

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[quote=punch it in;1100045]Ive always felt bad for you. Seems like you get picked on the most. Even though you are irrational with your posts and a big ole debbie downer I still always felt bad. Dont take this the wrong way but.....[B]you sort of remind me of a mentally handicapped troll. No offense[/B].[/quote]

lmfao