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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1117626]If you can't see a 6'5" 300 pound opponent coming straight for you in time to side step to make him miss (Like old slow Peyton Manning or Tom Brady)
or minimize the hit you never will.

Actually "pocket presence" and what I would call "football instincts" are mostly in your DNA you either have them or don't, you don't improve them
much with practice...

I am afraid RG3 is missing some natural instincts needed to succeed as an NFL
QB...[/QUOTE]

Exactly! [emoji106]

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1117626]If you can't see a 6'5" 300 pound opponent coming straight for you in time to side step to make him miss (Like old slow Peyton Manning or Tom Brady)
or minimize the hit you never will.

Actually "pocket presence" and what I would call "football instincts" are mostly in your DNA you either have them or don't, you don't improve them
much with practice. Think of someone who you would consider a lifetime bad driver, someone who hits pot holes, road junk and critters with regularity, even though they have been driving for decades. Under the same road conditions you spot a ground hog running across the road 1/4 mile ahead.

Hate to use myself as an example in the late 70's early 80's I struggled to start at linebacker at a D3 college. I had measurables that a lot of high NFL picks don't have today. I had a 3.88 GPA in High School and 3.75 GPA in college. Yet my football I.Q. was too low to even register and I played all the way back to 5th grade flag football. I paid attention at practice and teammates tried to tutor me after practice. No one bit on fakes or tackled the guy without the ball more than me. I was missing something I could not acquire.

I am afraid RG3 is missing some natural instincts needed to succeed as an NFL
QB. He is like the bad driver that is always running over or into things.[/quote]

I think RG3 has football instincts but they are not the kind of instincts that make for an elite NFL QB. In college he could work without a playbook and rely on instinct to run and throw and play at a high level. That doesnt work in the pros where a QB cant just improvise and rely on his superior talent since everyone has superior talent. The bottom line is, RG3's skill set is not a good fit for an NFL QB.

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[QUOTE=irish;1117628]I think RG3 has football instincts but they are not the kind of instincts that make for an elite NFL QB. In college he could work without a playbook and rely on instinct to run and throw and play at a high level. That doesnt work in the pros where a QB cant just improvise and rely on his superior talent since everyone has superior talent. The bottom line is, RG3's skill set is not a good fit for an NFL QB.[/QUOTE]
Well, maybe RG3 can be successful in the CFL, since it is a more wide open game.

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[quote=kct1975;1117631]Well, maybe RG3 can be successful in the CFL, since it is a more wide open game.[/quote]

I dont know, its 3 down football so passing is even more important in the CFL than it is in the NFL.

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[quote=kct1975;1117623]Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, [B][I]Derrick Carr[/I][/B], ect.[/quote]

I think you mean David Carr,although Derrick might get there soon enough

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1117635]I think you mean David Carr,although Derrick might get there soon enough[/QUOTE]
Yup...I did mean David Carr....although you are right about Derrick Carr

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[QUOTE=calia;1117621]Thanks for posting - nice to hear something positive in this thread.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]


What do you expect in a thread about RG-3? To a man I think everyone here wants to post great things about him for obvious reasons - we are all Redskins fans. Unfortunately we can only talk about what we see and it has been ugly. If I thought that posting positive vibes for Griff would help him be a better qb id be rah rah rah-ing all over the place! Lol

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=punch it in;1117682]What do you expect in a thread about RG-3? To a man I think everyone here wants to post great things about him for obvious reasons - we are all Redskins fans. Unfortunately we can only talk about what we see and it has been ugly. If I thought that posting positive vibes for Griff would help him be a better qb id be rah rah rah-ing all over the place! Lol[/QUOTE]
Well Said! [emoji106]

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I was a homer all the way til the Zorn debacle. After that, I just became a total cynic, then after the McNabb and Shanny/RG III garbage I got to the point that I was seriously considering just dropping the team. It is very hard to see the positive side of things when you get a continuous stream of BS thrown your way. I hope Scotty M and the end of this RG III drama will exorcise the demons that Snyder's lunacy has begotten us!!!!

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=rocnrik;1117578]I would trade Griffin now for whatever we could get..I am not sure there is a team in the NFL the he could be the number 2 QB for..who would it be??..who wants the drama and the injuries..you have to figure that into it. Right now if Rglll was cut outright and we were not on the hook for his salary the Redskins would be in a much better place ..[/quote]

You aren't going to get squat for him. You think scouts are going to see any positives if he can't stay on the field at all? The Skins are tied with the Raiders for being the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL, and do you think somebody is going to want a QB that can't make it on the Skins?

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If you think it's negative around here now, wait until you see what it's like after the Ravens game. In view of the way the Ravens were handled by the Eagles, they are no doubt ready to rip somebody a new one - and Robert is the poor soul in their sights.

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like most, I have grown tired of the RG3 saga....all day, every day!

If the kid can start to play solidly & start showing the maturity as a QB that he should exhibit by now, then I'm 100% behind him.

I was all for giving him the first 4-5 games this year, but if "RG3-and-Out" keeps showing up, then I am ready to see if KC has matured enough against the starters.

I hope to see the answer in the Baltimore game this weekend...one way or the other.

Hail!

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=punch it in;1117682]What do you expect in a thread about RG-3? To a man I think everyone here wants to post great things about him for obvious reasons - we are all Redskins fans. Unfortunately we can only talk about what we see and it has been ugly. If I thought that posting positive vibes for Griff would help him be a better qb id be rah rah rah-ing all over the place! Lol[/quote]

Even if he does improve and becomes a decent pocket passer, the guy is bound to get killed at one point or another with our schedule, especially the first 5-6 games against Miami and our divisional rivals. The loss of two starters doesn't help either.

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The saga just might end on opening day if Suh and co want to come out like gangbusters and prove a point, sending a message to New England, etc.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Bucket;1117602]That's a bad angle but what you don't see is Ryan Grant ran his route 2 yards short with RG3 at QB. Doesn't seem like a big deal but he would of been easily open and seen on the second level if he would of ran it right.

Not making excuses for RG3 though. He's thrown that 9 route million times on the money in his career. He could of still made a throw there. He went through the reads and hit his 3rd option though so there is that.[/quote]

And as the article points out, it's fine and dandy that he still completed a pass, but he could have had a first down and instead put the Offense in yet another 3rd and long situation. The primary read was as open as you can ask for in the NFL.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=kct1975;1117623]Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.[/quote]

And it's been widely reported that he often calls the wrong protection at the line. He doesn't appear to have much pre-snap recognition either, which forces him to be too reactionary. Doesn't seem to anticipate who is likely to be open on a given play or where to expect pressure.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=44Deezel;1117703]And it's been widely reported that he often calls the wrong protection at the line. He doesn't appear to have much pre-snap recognition either, which forces him to be too reactionary. Doesn't seem to anticipate who is likely to be open on a given play or where to expect pressure.[/quote]

Cooley was talking about the protection call today in the context of assigning blame.

Smith got savaged in the media the day after the game for his play. It was not good, but if you listened to the film breakdown the other day, Cooley said it wasn't as bad as the knee jerk columnists made it out to be. Hopefully, if TW gets dinged somebody else will be the sub.

He said that every player in the locker room knows how everyone else is playing, good or bad. They also know that Griffin blew the protection call. The quickest way to lose the locker room, if it hasn't happened with the coddling already, is to let a guy get blamed for something that wasn't his fault in such a public way.

The audio link isn't up on epsn 980 yet because it wasn't a special segment. The discussion is a very interesting listen and makes sense anyway you think about; from a player's perspective or just human nature.

They also discussed the pros and cons of cutting Griffin now before the season started. The way to sell it being it is in Griffin's best interest to get a fresh start.

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I think at this point a lot of us are beating a dead horse, I know for me the only reason I can't seem to put this to rest is because I can't wrap my head around the loyalty that the organization is giving RGIII. I could understand it if it was someone like John Elway that had taken the team to numerous SBs and won it and he's in is last days and he's starting to stink it up but you stick with him because he meant so much to the franchise.

Also what is the potential of RGIII that is so much more then the other two QBs. I could understand it if we were right at the end of 2012. But we have had 2 years of complete stink it up. I just don't get it. At this point the only thing that RGIII can do better than the other GBs is throw the ball further. That's not enough.

Plus the complete double standard. You can't say over and over again, we want to evaluate all the players and put the best 53 men out there, except when it comes to RGIII.

I hope he either plays really well and gives me a reason to root for him, or he totally stinks it up. My worst fear is that he plays medium to poor and I have to suffer through another year of this.

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Should McCoy's relationship with Cooley and Paulsen be considered a leak?

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[B][U]Kurt Warner[/U][/B]
"There were some things that I saw on tape where you could easily say if Robert maybe went to the other side on a couple of those reads, he could have got the ball out a little bit quicker,” Warner told old friend Dan Hellie on NFL Network. “But I think we have to be honest when we look at the tape, and say this wasn’t RGIII’s fault, for the most part. He wasn’t back there holding onto the ball, hitching, looking both directions. He was back there, he was dropping, he was trying to get the ball out of his hands, and his offensive line really, really struggled [Thursday] night."


[B][U]PFF:[/U][/B]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]For the Washington Redskins to be successful this season, they are going to need to give Robert Griffin III time in the pocket. That wasn’t the case versus the Detroit Lions on Thursday night.

— Pressured on six of his eight dropbacks, Robert Griffin III’s three incompletions came about by way of a dropped pass, a batted pass and being hit as he threw. His supporting cast ensured that aside from ball security (two fumbles — the primary reasons behind his -3.8 grade), there was little or nothing to draw from his performance.[/COLOR]


[B][U]Jay Gruden:[/U][/B]

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]So far with Robert, [SIZE="5"]unfortunately, as play callers we’ve done a poor job of getting our team into a rhythm[/SIZE]. We haven’t got a first down and then followed up with a nice bootleg or something like that. We’ve just been first down, second down, third down, punt, it seems like it was against Detroit. [SIZE="5"]It’s very necessary for us to try to get our offense moving positively a little bit to get us in a rhythm, we just haven’t been able to do that.[/SIZE] Defense, give them a lot of credit. Detroit played great defense, pass rush. They stopped the run, made it very difficult on us. They were No. 2 ranked in the league last year for a reason. But we do have to compete a lot better than that with our ones.[/COLOR]


I'm going to blame our local media for turning ~8 drop backs in a preseason game into referendum.

We're talking about a pre-season game where our 1st unit offense played the #2 ranked defense with a 3rd string LT and with an OT at TE. Where our QB, who to be sure made mistakes, but played under duress.

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It's already a full blown circus at Redskins park and we're only at pre-season game #3. :doh:


[B] ‏@granthpaulsen

Timeline: In-game Redskins broadcast network says RG3 did not have concussion. HC says he did. One week later, Griffin says he doesn't know.[/B]

[B]
@P_Hazard

If Gruden said he had one to keep him from media, while wrong, Griffin not confirming for company line essentially throws Gruden under bus[/B]


[B]
@MikeJonesWaPo

So, Griffin isn't sure if/when he suffered a concussion. Asked if he thought he should've played fourth series, "I just work here, man."
[/B]


So tired of the drama. At this point, I just want Robert to go away.


Even Joey T. thinks that it's time for Robert to shut up. I especially liked what Cooley had to say....
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/08/27/joe-theismann-its-time-for-robert-to-be-quiet/[/url]


[quote]Meanwhile, ESPN 980’s Chris Cooley added a possibly related although quite different suggestion: that Griffin needs to speak up more, in the sense of absolving his teammates from some of the blame they took after the Lions game last week.

“If I ran a post route and the quarterback threw a corner route and it was picked, and everyone in the media said, Cooley ran the wrong route, Cooley ran the wrong route, and then the quarterback didn’t step up and say anything for me, we’ve got problems, man,” Cooley said. “This happens more times than people understand, but this clearly happened in this last week with Willie Smith and the offensive line at times. …

“There’s enough people on this team that want to say, ‘Man, this isn’t the offensive line.’ But if you can’t address it as a man and say, ‘I messed this up, it’s not my guys, it’s not my teammates, I’m a leader of the team and I’m going to take this because it was mine in the first place.’ ”[/quote]


Bottom line. Robert isn't taking responsibility like he should. I have to imagine the respect level is very low for him in the locker room.

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[quote=30gut;1117735][B][U]Kurt Warner[/U][/B]
"There were some things that I saw on tape where you could easily say if Robert maybe went to the other side on a couple of those reads, he could have got the ball out a little bit quicker,” Warner told old friend Dan Hellie on NFL Network. “But I think we have to be honest when we look at the tape, and say this wasn’t RGIII’s fault, for the most part. He wasn’t back there holding onto the ball, hitching, looking both directions. He was back there, he was dropping, he was trying to get the ball out of his hands, and his offensive line really, really struggled [Thursday] night."


[B][U]PFF:[/U][/B]
[COLOR="SeaGreen"]For the Washington Redskins to be successful this season, they are going to need to give Robert Griffin III time in the pocket. That wasn’t the case versus the Detroit Lions on Thursday night.

— Pressured on six of his eight dropbacks, Robert Griffin III’s three incompletions came about by way of a dropped pass, a batted pass and being hit as he threw. His supporting cast ensured that aside from ball security (two fumbles — the primary reasons behind his -3.8 grade), there was little or nothing to draw from his performance.[/COLOR]


[B][U]Jay Gruden:[/U][/B]

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]So far with Robert, [SIZE="5"]unfortunately, as play callers we’ve done a poor job of getting our team into a rhythm[/SIZE]. We haven’t got a first down and then followed up with a nice bootleg or something like that. We’ve just been first down, second down, third down, punt, it seems like it was against Detroit. [SIZE="5"]It’s very necessary for us to try to get our offense moving positively a little bit to get us in a rhythm, we just haven’t been able to do that.[/SIZE] Defense, give them a lot of credit. Detroit played great defense, pass rush. They stopped the run, made it very difficult on us. They were No. 2 ranked in the league last year for a reason. But we do have to compete a lot better than that with our ones.[/COLOR]


I'm going to blame our local media for turning ~8 drop backs in a preseason game into referendum.

We're talking about a pre-season game where our 1st unit offense played the #2 ranked defense with a 3rd string LT and with an OT at TE. Where our QB, who to be sure made mistakes, but played under duress.[/quote]

Cooley said yesterday that the fans and coaches have totally different ideas of how far the "last chance" goes. To the fans the RG "last chance" goes a few game into the season. To the coaches, between offseason workouts, mini-camp, etc the coaches have a plenty big enough sample size to make a decision on RG and likely already have made that decision. To the coaches the "last chance" is essentially over.

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Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?

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The more you know, the more you realise how much you don’t know — the less you know, the more you think you know.
----someone old

I think football is real simple for RG3. He doesn't understand the intangible things he needs to do to be successful.
He sees things in binary, There is pressure or there isn't pressure.
WR is open or WR isn't open.
He doesn't understand how to help a WR get open by manipulating the safety and he doesn't understand how he can give himself more time in the pocket by sliding away from pressure.

I don't understand why Gruden is going to spend 2 years trying to convert him to a conventional QB.
Everything Gruden does is conventional without any creativity or talent. He is just a good ole boy with lots of friends.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1117757]Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?[/quote]

We have to but I don't think many people are optimistic about it.

This stuff is embarrassing.

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I will go as far as saying WITH RGlll behind center we might lose every game…with Cousins we could win 9 games..IF RGlll could go back to his rookie year BEFORE injuries and have someone like Shanny who understood Robert the sky was the limit! we don't have the coach..we have post injury RGlll …that equals total failure on many levels..I can't see Gruden surviving this mess.. all this after 2 pre season games you say..heck no this is after watching him since his rookie year continue to struggle and in many cases he has gotten worse..look at Tiger Woods..what happened there?? loss of confidence,changing coaches..bad luck etc..its the same thing ..I hope RGlll has a fantastic game at ravens ..but at this point he has to show he can at least be average at the position week after week..I don't think any redskin fans are looking for pro bowl type of play from him..how about just being good enough to separate himself from 2 other so so BACKUPS.. he has not yet played his way into the starting position..all any of us can do is be fans and watch it all unfold..one thing about being a skins fan it aint never boring!!

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[QUOTE=redskinsfan1980;1117757]Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?[/QUOTE]


Thing is this isnt just about a few plays against the Lions, this is about everything we have seen since 2013. Lets not pretend he has not been given an opportunity.

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[quote=44Deezel;1117702]And as the article points out, it's fine and dandy that he still completed a pass, but he could have had a first down and instead put the Offense in yet another 3rd and long situation. The primary read was as open as you can ask for in the NFL.[/quote]

Its actually not fine and dandy and the article is wrong for saying that. For example..

If read 1 is your primary after the play action. Although read 1 cuts the route short before play action was initiated.

What this does is allows the DB react to the route I which the throw would of been "late".

This is why when QBS throw INT or give up sacks etc. It's important to know that it's more of a team effort.

Not defending RG3 because he's obviously flawed but the article is incorrect if it's saying it's ok that the route was short.

Edit: Just noticed the article say it's ok because he still completed the pass. Not that the route was short

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If they would just cut bait with Griffin and hand the keys to the car to Kirk, we would all see we have our franchise QB. Only good thing about playing Griff all year is we will propably have the #1 pick come next April.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=kct1975;1117623]Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. [B]He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field[/B].

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, [B]he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'.[/B] Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.[/quote]


I'm not disagreeing about performance, but these two thoughts on the reason for his struggles seems to be contradictory.

He only looks downfield at primary receivers, but he checks down too much?

It seems to me, that would be like saying: He stays in the pocket too long when he should scramble, but gives up on the play and runs too often.

I don't know, maybe it's all of the above at different times, but these seem like symtoms and not diagnosees. Which I think would support your confidence theory.

But, IMO, I think the O-line is the root cause. How can he improve if he is being trounced constantly? I have always felt it was a mistake to invest in QB when our line sucked so much.

So at this point, even if he is hopeless, why move on and risk the next franchise QB being 'ruined' by piss poor pass protection?

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1117757]Can we at least give this a chance to play a regular season game before end his career with the Skins?[/quote]

I concur wholeheartedly. One real lousy outing that wasn't entirely his fault(although he does have some blame for it) and everyone is thinking whether we should try and trade him. Gruden knows that Robert isn't going to last this season and is playing nice. I think he anticipates Robert going down. Face it, if Robert gets past week 1 it will be just short of a miracle, but if the line steps it up it might not be so bad. I say relax and just see how it plays out. Why bitch and moan about something that really in all honesty doesn't affect us in the least. Win or lose, unless you are gambling, to quote Bill Murray in Meatballs "It just doesn't matter!!!!!!! It just doesn't matter!!!!!".

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=Brody81;1117764]If they would just cut bait with Griffin and hand the keys to the car to Kirk, we would all see we have our franchise QB. Only good thing about playing Griff all year is we will propably have the #1 pick come next April.[/QUOTE]


I think Kirk is def more capable of running our O at this point and who knows maybe with steady playing time and the backing of the coaching staff/brass/and his teammates he could be our guy for the future, but it is hard to overlook his int's last year. Man some of them were just bad.

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[quote=punch it in;1117768]I think Kirk is def more capable of running our O at this point and who knows maybe with steady playing time and the backing of the coaching staff/brass/and his teammates he could be our guy for the future, but it is hard to overlook his int's last year. Man some of them were just bad.[/quote]

The guy is a backup at best. He is not the long term solution. If he was we probably wouldn't be having this debate/discussion. Kirk needs to have a lot of progression himself in order to be a true starter. He is good for 2-3 game spurts, but I don't think he is ready to handle a full season as a starter, as last season showed.

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[quote=Flyer97;1117766]I concur wholeheartedly. [B]One real lousy outing [/B]that wasn't entirely his fault(although he does have some blame for it) and everyone is thinking whether we should try and trade him. Gruden knows that Robert isn't going to last this season and is playing nice. I think he anticipates Robert going down. Face it, if Robert gets past week 1 it will be just short of a miracle, but if the line steps it up it might not be so bad. I say relax and just see how it plays out. Why bitch and moan about something that really in all honesty doesn't affect us in the least. Win or lose, unless you are gambling, to quote Bill Murray in Meatballs "It just doesn't matter!!!!!!! It just doesn't matter!!!!!".[/quote]

if it was only one real lousy outing, no one would be doubting him. The problem is all his outings of late have been mediocre at best, and lousy the rest of the time.

We are all fans, we all simply want to see our team win football games. For many or maybe even most fans, at this point seeing Griffin qb'ing this team means seeing our team lose and/or look inept in the process. That's depressing.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1117751]It's already a full blown circus at Redskins park and we're only at pre-season game #3. :doh:


[B] ‏@granthpaulsen

Timeline: In-game Redskins broadcast network says RG3 did not have concussion. HC says he did. One week later, Griffin says he doesn't know.[/B]

[B]
@P_Hazard

If Gruden said he had one to keep him from media, while wrong, Griffin not confirming for company line essentially throws Gruden under bus[/B]


[B]
@MikeJonesWaPo

So, Griffin isn't sure if/when he suffered a concussion. Asked if he thought he should've played fourth series, "I just work here, man."
[/B]


So tired of the drama. At this point, I just want Robert to go away.


Even Joey T. thinks that it's time for Robert to shut up. I especially liked what Cooley had to say....
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/08/27/joe-theismann-its-time-for-robert-to-be-quiet/[/url]





Bottom line. Robert isn't taking responsibility like he should. I have to imagine the respect level is very low for him in the locker room.[/quote]

LOL dude. You're constantly bitching about everything Griffin says and does off the field. When are you going to figure out that this stuff doesn't matter? Because it doesn't. Simple as that. The media takes everything he says and twists it and puts it in the worst light possible. Players around the league say plenty of stuff that should be considered far worse than what he says, but for obvious reasons Griffin gets a far bigger reaction and more clicks. Repeat after me, this stuff doesn't matter. His teammates and coaches know who he is as a person, they don't give a sh*t how the media portrays him. The football side of Griffin is all you should be concerned about.

Speaking of that, I just watched the Detroit game for the first time and am mystified why everyone is sh*tting on Griffin. He was absolutely not as bad as what everyone said. Taking his full body of preseason work into account, I think he definitely looks better than last year, but of course you can't really tell that until the regular season.

Also, another thing that's been bugging me is why everyone acts like Cousins is so much better than Griffin. Have you all forgot 2012 and 2013? Last year was the first time you could say Cousins had play equal to Griffin's, and half his games were destroyed by interceptions. Cousins looks good at times, and if we end up letting Griffin go I hope we hang onto Cousins, but the negative overreaction to Griffin's game has led to an overreaction of positivity towards Cousins' game.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1117771]if it was only one real lousy outing, no one would be doubting him. The problem is all his outings of late have been mediocre at best, and lousy the rest of the time.



We are all fans, we all simply want to see our team win football games. For many or maybe even most fans, at this point seeing Griffin qb'ing this team means seeing our team lose and/or look inept in the process. That's depressing.[/QUOTE]


For real. Why is this perception out there that we all were kicking back riding the RG-3 train into Superbowl World and than suddenly at halftime of the Detroit game we all turned on him and panicked? What the what? This doubt and fear that we mortgaged our future on Griff has been building for two years!

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Griffin is gonna be injured first or second game.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1117771]if it was only one real lousy outing, no one would be doubting him. The problem is all his outings of late have been mediocre at best, and lousy the rest of the time.

We are all fans, we all simply want to see our team win football games. For many or maybe even most fans, at this point seeing Griffin qb'ing this team means seeing our team lose and/or look inept in the process. That's depressing.[/quote]

I agree Skins, but I want to see Robert play out preseason before we throw in the towel on the season. If there indeed isn't any improvement with him at all then yeah the season is probably going to be a bummer. It is just sort of sad that we have gotten to this sorry state of affairs as fans. I feel sorry for the season ticket holders, that actually pay top dollar to see this crap in person. Yeah the offense seems more fluid and relaxed with Kirk and Colt in there, but they are not starting material. If Kirk was, he would have been traded last season. Nobody bit on him, especially after he came back down to earth with all of his INTs.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=punch it in;1117774]For real. Why is this perception out there that we all were kicking back riding the RG-3 train into Superbowl World and than suddenly at halftime of the Detroit game we all turned on him and panicked? What the what? This doubt and fear that we mortgaged our future on Griff has been building for two years![/quote]

I agree, but to say the season is lost on less than a half of play is a teeny bit premature. The Ravens game will reveal a lot. IF RGIII doesn't have some sort of rebound this game and next, then I will resort to the doom saying. I am trying to remain upbeat, as I usually was the first to be a doom and gloom guy about the franchise starting with the Shanny/McNabb debacle.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Brody81;1117764]If they would just cut bait with Griffin and hand the keys to the car to Kirk, we would all see we have our franchise QB. Only good thing about playing Griff all year is we will propably have the #1 pick come next April.[/quote]

I think we need to hold the brakes on calling KC a franchise QB. And I like KC, but he has a long way to go. I like what he's done so far this pre season. He's really running the offense well. But I want to see how he responds after a few bad plays.

I'm getting to the point where the organization needs to move on from the Griffin circus. It's just not worth it anymore. It seems like an on going saga with him and a clean break for both sides might be what's needed.