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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1246150]We shall see, maybe someone should put up a poll. Whether it happens pre draft or post draft I believe will make a big difference.[/QUOTE]


It’s likely to happen right before or even during the draft



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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

Trent to the Jets?

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/trent-williams-jets-new-york-interested-redskins-ot-report[/url]

But wait. There’s more. 3 more teams rumored to be interested in Trent now. Let’s get that bidding war going!!

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cardinals-jets-texans-among-teams-eyeing-trade-for-redskins-trent-williams-per-reports/[/url]

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I have to say this: I hate that it seems a forgone conclusion that we're trading Trent. I wish there was some way we could keep him on the team.

He's been a warrior for us, playing hurt, and outright dominating when healthy. You can count on one hand (with a finger or two left over) the number of left tackles that you might say you'd be equally happy protecting Haskins, and I would think that would be worth more than a second round pick (yeah, I know he's 31 and coming off an injury and off year, but if you've seen the workout videos he's posted, he looks ready to go -- I am still amazed at the quickness of a guy that big).

Tackle is the one position that the Redskins seem to get right over the years (Samuels, Lachey, Jansen, Williams, and Jacoby -- I mean, what other team could boast a list like that?), and I hate to think we have to try to start over at that position. But it definitely sounds like we will have to.

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/06/report-cardinals-texans-have-inquired-about-trent-williams/[/url]

Report: Cardinals, Texans have inquired about Trent Williams

Cardinals, Jets, Texans and Browns so far

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Keep in mind an inquiry could mean - Hey are you really asking 20Mil? It doesn't mean that they are pursuing acquiring him. In fact every team with an average LT ought to be contacting him to find out where his asking point really is.

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Although there may be several teams interested it doesn't necessarily mean a bidding war, if he only likes one of them then they can offer the minimum that the Redskins will accept, TW has a lot of leverage here if he is looking to go to a winner or to max out the dollars....

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=calia;1246163]I have to say this: I hate that it seems a forgone conclusion that we're trading Trent. I wish there was some way we could keep him on the team.

He's been a warrior for us, playing hurt, and outright dominating when healthy. You can count on one hand (with a finger or two left over) the number of left tackles that you might say you'd be equally happy protecting Haskins, and I would think that would be worth more than a second round pick (yeah, I know he's 31 and coming off an injury and off year, but if you've seen the workout videos he's posted, he looks ready to go -- I am still amazed at the quickness of a guy that big).

Tackle is the one position that the Redskins seem to get right over the years (Samuels, Lachey, Jansen, Williams, and Jacoby -- I mean, what other team could boast a list like that?), and I hate to think we have to try to start over at that position. But it definitely sounds like we will have to.[/quote]

I hear you but the ship has sailed with Williams. He will always be one of my all time favorite skins for smacking Richard Sherman in his big mouth and for the reasons you state above but he wants absurd $ and honestly with his feelings about the team not the kind of dude you want around when trying to change the culture

Take the best offer we get for him and move on. Wish Trent all the best

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Yeah I think Trent will be traded due to a mutual desire between the team and Trent Williams. We’ll get a second or maybe even a first rounder, as well as increasing our cap to $72 mill and Trent will go to another team to finish his career and get the guaranteed big bucks he wants. I’m sorry to see him go but this might be better for everyone. Rivera wants players who want to be here and be part of his program.

Regarding the draft pick we get for Trent, I think it may go toward TE or WR versus an OT. Both WR and OT are deep in the draft while TE is very shallow. Kyle Smith might be able to wait until the third or fourth round to get a WR or OT.

The increase in cap may allow Scherff to get his contract versus franchising him. I still think that either Hooper or Henry will be a must hire in FA. Besides Scherff and Flowers and Hooper the team will hire Boston at FS, as well as a CB and LB in FA.


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[quote=EdmundDorf;1246176]Although there may be several teams interested it doesn't necessarily mean a bidding war, if he only likes one of them then they can offer the minimum that the Redskins will accept, TW has a lot of leverage here if he is looking to go to a winner or to max out the dollars....[/quote]

There is no chance Trent has the leverage he has a year left on his contract and if the Redskins do not like the offer(s) he could sit another year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1246145]Call me crazy, but seeing that multiple teams are involved, I actually think we get a first rounder (or equivalent value) for Trent.

Some team is going to believe they’re getting a guaranteed top-5 left tackle for 3-4, maybe even 5 more years. That’s the duration of a rookie contact.
For contending teams with cap space who are in the market for a starting LT, why take a gamble on a first round rookie when they can get a pro-bowler?

Sure, a rookie is younger and there is the potential the team could draft a guy and lock up the position for 10-12 years, but that presumes they can resign him when his rookie deal expires. And a rookie - even a first rounder - could end up being a bust.

I’m calling it now - We’re getting first round level compensation.


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Not calling you crazy at all.

My level of expectation right now is a 2nd + a 4th or less.

But yeah the fact several teams are showing interest is a good sign.

Not sure we get a 1st though, some of you were thinking the reports teams offered their 1st for TW last year were false, my guess is they were true, but that was last year, with 2 years left on his contract, not one. And the beginning of a season vs entering offseason isn't the same situation either.

So his trade value has to have decreased at least a little bit.

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With the CBA, once approved, doing away with mj suspensions TW any team trading for TW won't have to worry about a 3rd strike. That should be a positive when it comes to assessing draft pick compensation.

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Trent is a rested OT who will still play at a very good level at the most important position on the OL for several years. He’s got 7 pro bowls and is a team leader. Draft picks are crap shoots, especially as you go lower in the draft. Trent should easily get us a second rounder from the Dolphins or Jets. Maybe even a late first rounder from Miami.


This gets us a $72 mill cap, a second rounder which we don’t have now and sets the tone for Rivera for disgruntled players. Win-win and ends this drama which should have been dealt with competently last season.


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I am pretty sure Trent did not magically turn 22 years old from sitting out a year and now will play 16 games a year for 3-4 more years. People here are acting like he is a pro bowler in the prime of his career if they think someone will give a first rounder for him, not happening. He also wants an insane amount of money for a guy who played all 16 games only twice out of 10 seasons and the last one of those he was 25 years old. Even when he suiting up and playing he was often dinged up. He is high mileage for his age, not what a lot of you are projecting.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1246214]I am pretty sure Trent did not magically turn 22 years old from sitting out a year and now will play 16 games a year for 3-4 more years. People here are acting like he is a pro bowler in the prime of his career if they think someone will give a first rounder for him, not happening. He also wants an insane amount of money for a guy who played all 16 games only twice out of 10 seasons and the last one of those he was 25 years old. Even when he suiting up and playing he was often dinged up. He is high mileage for his age, not what a lot of you are projecting.[/quote]

Even with all that said, he's still a less risky proposition than any tackle coming out of the draft who has never played a down in the NFL. He'll definitely cost more though.

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ill be a lil shocked if we get a first round pick, but just need one team to get desperate.

One guy I would stay away from would be Jason Peters...too old and coming off injuries last year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1246170][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/03/06/report-cardinals-texans-have-inquired-about-trent-williams/[/url]

Report: Cardinals, [B]Texans[/B] have inquired about Trent Williams

Cardinals, Jets, Texans and Browns so far[/quote]

Well, the Texans interest makes it easy. Just trade Williams for Laremy Tunsil.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1246214][B]I am pretty sure Trent did not magically turn 22 years old from sitting out a year and now will play 16 games a year for 3-4 more years. People here are acting like he is a pro bowler in the prime of his career if they think someone will give a first rounder for him, not happening[/B]. He also wants an insane amount of money for a guy who played all 16 games only twice out of 10 seasons and the last one of those he was 25 years old. Even when he suiting up and playing he was often dinged up. He is high mileage for his age, not what a lot of you are projecting.[/quote]

If he ever ends up playing again he'll be broken down by week 8.

Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1246214]I am pretty sure Trent did not magically turn 22 years old from sitting out a year and now will play 16 games a year for 3-4 more years. People here are acting like he is a pro bowler in the prime of his career if they think someone will give a first rounder for him, not happening. He also wants an insane amount of money for a guy who played all 16 games only twice out of 10 seasons and the last one of those he was 25 years old. Even when he suiting up and playing he was often dinged up. He is high mileage for his age, not what a lot of you are projecting.[/QUOTE]



It doesn’t matter how he’ll actually play once he is traded, it’s what teams THINK he can do for them NOW. Having 7 Pro Bowls while playing for a crap team will definitely impress. He may have faded some but he has been considered an elite LT for years.

So teams can go for the “known” with Trent or draft for the unknown with most draft picks being straight busts or just team bodies until they get released at the end of their first contract. Remember the average career in the NFL is just 4 years.

I think it is very reasonable to get a second round pick for Trent with his record. A first is probably a stretch but still a possibility. This will help the Redskins in the draft, increase our cap and say with Rivera’s strategy of only keeping players who want to be here..


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[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/reports-show-interest-heating-multiple-teams-trent-williams-sweepstakes"]Reports show interest heating up from multiple teams in Trent Williams sweepstakes[/URL]

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28845477/washington-redskins-let-trent-williams-seek-trade"]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28845477/washington-redskins-let-trent-williams-seek-trade[/URL]

I will eat an economy sized plate of crow if he is traded for a first like may think.

This article also says he will become the highest paid, that is insanity considering his age and injury history.

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It seems like there's a good chance we will get a second round pick or higher although I would be surprised if we managed to get a first round pick in top 15 for Williams. We can easily draft a one of the top tackles if we get a top 15 1st round pick, which could resolve our LT issue quickly.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1246266][URL]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28845477/washington-redskins-let-trent-williams-seek-trade[/URL]



I will eat an economy sized plate of crow if he is traded for a first like may think.



This article also says he will become the highest paid, that is insanity considering his age and injury history.[/QUOTE]



I propose we change your name to Boomer Bob if we get a first back for him lol


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[quote=MTK;1246275]I propose we change your name to Boomer Bob if we get a first back for him lol

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And his signature line of "Get off my lawn" has to be added.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1246284]And his signature line of "Get off my lawn" has to be added.[/quote]

And his profile pictures should be this:

[IMG]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/304/old.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1246297]And his profile pictures should be this:

[IMG]https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/304/old.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Is that from an article about Joe Biden?

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[quote=MTK;1246275]I propose we change your name to Boomer Bob if we get a first back for him lol


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I second that

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1246266][URL]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28845477/washington-redskins-let-trent-williams-seek-trade[/URL]



I will eat an economy sized plate of crow if he is traded for a first like may think.



This article also says he will become the highest paid, that is insanity considering his age and injury history.[/QUOTE]



I agree. I think the chance of trade for a first rounder draft pick is remote. He wants too much money, he’s too old and teams just don’t trade their first’s that easily.


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Saw a report that the Jets could offer both of their 3rd round picks, would you all take that for Trent??

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1246345]Saw a report that the Jets could offer both of their 3rd round picks, would you all take that for Trent??[/quote]

In a land far away a long time ago during their 17 straight years of 10+ wins the 49ers with offensive line coach Bobb McKittrick had many a 3rd round or later pick evolve into a Pro Bowl lineman, one of them Jesse Sapolu was picked in the no longer existent 11th round. With good drafting and coaching you could replace both TW and Moses with a pair of 3rds. So I would definitely say yes to that trade.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1246345]Saw a report that the Jets could offer both of their 3rd round picks, would you all take that for Trent??[/quote]

Yes, if that was the best deal on the table.

2 3R > 1 3R.

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[quote=SunnySide;1246353]Yes, if that was the best deal on the table.

2 3R > 1 3R.[/quote]

Agreed. And if there was a player you like in the 2nd, you could package those 2 3rd rounders for a second.

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I think we can do better than two 3rds


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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1246345]Saw a report that the Jets could offer both of their 3rd round picks, would you all take that for Trent??[/quote]

Nope. You can't settle. He's under contract...he is essentially claiming to be the best LT in the game with the contract he is reportedly seeking. Therefore, the Redskins need to be compensated accordingly. Two 3rds is not fair compensation in my opinion.

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2nd and a 3rd in 2020 is the minimum I'd even consider. Otherwise, I'd rather have Trent play the final year, walk in 2021 and get a compensatory pick in 2022.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1246368]2nd and a 3rd in 2020 is the minimum I'd even consider. Otherwise, I'd rather have Trent play the final year, walk in 2021 and get a compensatory pick in 2022.[/quote]

Except:
- he wont report or play for us next year (safe assumption)
- next year therefore will not count as accrued so he wont be FA eligible
- we then are in the same boat we are in now, except hes another year older
- even if he leaves in FA, a comp pick is not guaranteed bc we would have to make sure we dont sign an offsetting FA

We can continue to act like Bruce Allen or we can take the best offer and move on.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1246368]2nd and a 3rd in 2020 is the minimum I'd even consider. Otherwise, I'd rather have Trent play the final year, walk in 2021 and get a compensatory pick in 2022.[/quote]

Ill be shocked with a 1st Round pick for Trent...I just don't see it happening. But Id run to get both a 2nd and 3rd round picks. Id be very happy with that compensation.

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I'd take 2 3rd rounders. I want this situation handled. It's dragged on long enough. That's not a great hall but not too shabby either. Like mentioned above they can be packaged to move up if we want to. But you can get some solid players in the 3rd round.

To me it's not just about fair compensation it's about resolving an issue that's been a weight around the neck of the team for over a year now.

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I think given the interest level so far we'll be able to wrangle a 2nd out of somebody. His high contract demands are a factor for sure but this is a franchise level LT we're talking about, I think the demand will be there to drive the bidding to round 2 territory.

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[quote=MTK;1246359]I think we can do better than two 3rds


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Probably, the Jets are negotiating, if they make it a 2nd and 3rd in 2020 that would probably do it.

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[quote=SunnySide;1246370]Except:
- he wont report or play for us next year (safe assumption)
- next year therefore will not count as accrued so he wont be FA eligible
- we then are in the same boat we are in now, except hes another year older
- even if he leaves in FA, a comp pick is not guaranteed bc we would have to make sure we dont sign an offsetting FA

We can continue to act like Bruce Allen or we can take the best offer and move on.[/quote]

No one thinks Trent sits out another year. Especially after he talks to teams and finds out none of them are going to pay him the $25M he was asking from Rivera. This has always been at least 90% about the money. Several reporters have mentioned that Trent was more willing to sit out last year because he could make up for his lost 2019 salary on his next contract. He's certainly finding out from other teams now that that is almost certainly not going to be the case. So there's no way he's going to compound his mistake by missing out on another 12 Million dollars in 2020 (24 million over 2 years).