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Federal lawsuit says Antiracism and CRT violate constitution: [url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/federal-lawsuits-say-antiracism-and-critical-race-theory-in-schools-violate-constitution-11625151879[/url]

I think the way the districts represented in the article are implementing their curriculum changes there is a very valid case here.

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[quote=nonniey;1285574]Yep in a later response I did acknowledge that (my limited knowledge of the background). The good thing about this site is the moderator doesn't stifle one side to the advantage of the other (unlike another site I could mention, heck a mod on that site has completely eliminated all views not of a particular bent and turned it into a poor mans version of Democratic Underground).[/quote]

I agree and it's hard when you're in a politics forum . Again chico gets what he gives . People want to move on an have conversations with out mentioning trump ,I'd love it .Thing is people like chico a full blown trump supporter(better?) won't acknowledge any of trumps short comings or miss deeds , want him to run again and that makes him very , very relevant to all the political conversation. If that means reminding chico of every single screw up or lie donny has done and or said I will do it. You mention personal attacks calling someone a lib or leftist or alluding to it many consider a personal attack ,it's all in how you look at it. His every post is an attack on something if not Biden it's Harris or Cuomo or the Left or the Libs or when he really is looking to cry it's Main Stream Media!
Punch, Mooby ,MTK and others are a bit more civil but again chico stepped over the line a few times answering to me and others have seen it. I want to add that I have also explained my disdain for trump numerous times and it goes back to the 70's and Atlantic City my hate for the man goes past his politics. Last thing while I didn't make up the "drunk uncle thing "I thought it fit perfectly considering many of his post's. Again please understand not attacking you just explaining .

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1285574]Yep in a later response I did acknowledge that (my limited knowledge of the background). The good thing about this site is the moderator doesn't stifle one side to the advantage of the other (unlike another site I could mention, heck a mod on that site has completely eliminated all views not of a particular bent and turned it into a poor mans version of Democratic Underground).[/QUOTE]


That is surprising. I would have guessed otherwise. I got booted off that site for my opinion on a player. Im not even kidding. Lol.
Ive seen a couple of boots here and they were more than warranted. Just straight up racist garbage type crap.

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G-one did not make up the drunk uncle moniker but he made sure it stuck around lol. When Chico disappeared for a couple weeks i even checked in on him thru inbox. Political forums can become pretty edgy at times, but come week one we are all on the same team, well except G one but he gets the sportsmanship award when we play the Giants - win or lose he is gracious as hell.

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[quote=punch it in;1285578]That is surprising. I would have guessed otherwise. I got booted off that site for my opinion on a player. Im not even kidding. Lol.
Ive seen a couple of boots here and they were more than warranted. Just straight up racist garbage type crap.[/quote]

Just read their Tailgate it is a complete echo chamber. The primary mod there has eliminated or driven off every center, right of center, traditional conservative, or bat shit crazy populist rightwing poster from that forum.

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Lying Democrats are at it again…first defund the police (which they called for nationally and enacted in some cities which directly resulted higher crime and increases to homicides) and now Voter ID:
Today: [url]https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/04/politics/voter-id-james-clyburn-cnntv/index.html?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

Clyburn 'absolutely' open to ID requirement in voting rights bill

Two months ago…same lying Clyburn:

[url]https://amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24727258.html?__twitter_impression=true[/url]

S.C. Rep. Clyburn compares voter ID laws to Jim Crow era


Pathetic…they lied about the Georgia laws, they lied about voter Id…it’s always been a lie. Media who amplify voter id as racist and Jim Crow are liars as well

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[quote=punch it in;1285579]G-one did not make up the drunk uncle moniker but he made sure it stuck around lol. When Chico disappeared for a couple weeks i even checked in on him thru inbox. Political forums can become pretty edgy at times, but come week one we are all on the same team, well except G one but he gets the sportsmanship award when we play the Giants - win or lose he is gracious as hell.[/quote]

Drunk uncle is just a personal attack on me to avoid addressing the issues I raise. I’m fine with it, but when u can’t dispute a fact or win an argument it’s “drunk uncle” or trumptard, etc

It’s the m.o.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285595]Drunk uncle is just a personal attack on me to avoid addressing the issues I raise. I’m fine with it, but when u can’t dispute a fact or win an argument it’s “drunk uncle” or trumptard, etc

It’s the m.o.[/quote]

LOL. personal attack yet you can call people anything you want ? You're a freaking hypocrite .

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Another Russia based hack attack…Didn’t Biden just tell him to quit this? So much for that…

Ransomware Hackers Demand $70 Million In Bitcoin, Claim Massive U.S. Attack As Biden Investigates Possible Russian Involvement

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/05/ransomware-hackers-demand-70-million-in-bitcoin-claim-massive-us-attack-as-biden-investigates-possible-russian-involvement/amp/[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1285607]Another Russia based hack attack…Didn’t Biden just tell him to quit this? So much for that…

Ransomware Hackers Demand $70 Million In Bitcoin, Claim Massive U.S. Attack As Biden Investigates Possible Russian Involvement

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/07/05/ransomware-hackers-demand-70-million-in-bitcoin-claim-massive-us-attack-as-biden-investigates-possible-russian-involvement/amp/[/url][/quote]

Agreed.

Hopefully we can rename a WH Cyber Security Director (who was fired months into DT term), rename a head to DHS Cyber Security (who was fired in DT last month bc he said there was no wide spread election fraud) and divert funds back to cyber security that were taken away to build a wall and just make cyber security a non political non-partisan issue.

Cyber security should be above politics .. now that adults are back in office.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1285610]Agreed.

Hopefully we can rename a WH Cyber Security Director (who was fired months into DT term), rename a head to DHS Cyber Security (who was fired in DT last month bc he said there was no wide spread election fraud) and divert funds back to cyber security that were taken away to build a wall and just make cyber security a non political non-partisan issue.

Cyber security should be above politics .. now that adults are back in office.[/QUOTE]


Quoted for truth.

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[quote=SunnySide;1285610]Agreed.

Hopefully we can rename a WH Cyber Security Director (who was fired months into DT term), rename a head to DHS Cyber Security (who was fired in DT last month bc he said there was no wide spread election fraud) and divert funds back to cyber security that were taken away to build a wall and just make cyber security a non political non-partisan issue.

Cyber security should be above politics .. now that adults are back in office.[/quote]

[url]https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/National-Cyber-Strategy.pdf[/url]

“In the last 18 months, my Administration has taken action to address cyber threats. We have sanctioned malign cyber actors. We have indicted those that committed cybercrimes. We have publicly attributed malicious activity to the adversaries responsible and released details about the tools they employed. We have required departments and agencies to remove software vulnerable to various security risks. We have taken action to hold department and agency heads accountable for managing cybersecurity risks to the systems they control, while empowering them to provide adequate security. In addition, last year, I signed Executive Order 13800, Strengthening the Cybersecurity of Federal Networks and Critical Infrastructure. The work performed and reports created in response to that Executive Order laid the groundwork for this National Cyber Strategy.
With the release of this National Cyber Strategy, the United States now has its first fully articulated cyber strategy in 15 years. “

It’s no coincidence that as soon as the the Biden administration came into office Russian based hackers have launched attacks against the country. I’d like to see Biden fight back. This isn’t Trump fault

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[quote=Chico23231;1285615][url]https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/National-Cyber-Strategy.pdf[/url]

This isn’t Trump fault[/quote]

The hell it isn't , that shit trump was kissing putins ass now that a real man is in Office and fighting back you see some shit.

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All national security should be above politics.

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How did Trump kiss Putin's ass? I'm legitimately asking.

Was Obama tough on Putin?

Was Trump any different than the last couple administration's before him?

Seems like Trump is held to a different standard than anyone else because most of you hate him personally.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285615][url]https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/National-Cyber-Strategy.pdf[/url]

“In the last 18 months, my Administration has taken action to address cyber threats. We have sanctioned malign cyber actors. We have indicted those that committed cybercrimes. We have publicly attributed malicious activity to the adversaries responsible and released details about the tools they employed. We have required departments and agencies to remove software vulnerable to various security risks. We have taken action to hold department and agency heads accountable for managing cybersecurity risks to the systems they control, while empowering them to provide adequate security. In addition, last year, I signed Executive Order 13800, Strengthening the Cybersecurity of Federal Networks and Critical Infrastructure. The work performed and reports created in response to that Executive Order laid the groundwork for this National Cyber Strategy.
With the release of this National Cyber Strategy, the United States now has its first fully articulated cyber strategy in 15 years. “

[B]It’s no coincidence that as soon as the the Biden administration came into office Russian based hackers have launched attacks against the country. I’d like to see Biden fight back.[/B] This isn’t Trump fault[/quote]

Implying they took a break while Trump was in office?

The disconnect is unreal. Not only did Trump not once stand behind the intelligence community when [URL="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812"]they uniformly agreed[/URL] Russia was behind devious acts, [URL="https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-says-he-trusts-vladimir-putin-more-than-us-intelligence-and-asks-joe-biden-to-send-his-warmest-regards/ar-AAKVqyd"]he literally said[/URL] he trusts Putin more than the intelligence community. My man, it's shit like this is why I don't take you seriously. Trump didn't once say "stop raping us online" he literally gave Putin a jar of vaseline and asked if he wanted his ass or mouth.

Regardless, as much as you want Trump to be running shit once again, he's not. And so it falls on Biden to do more than talk tough to Putin. I don't have high expectations just because Biden doesn't seem the type to try and cripple Russia just because they're doing the same shit to us.

I also agree with Sunny, hope the day comes where cyber security is no longer a partisan issue. Every first world country has skin in the game when it comes to devious acts online.

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[quote=mooby;1285623]Implying they took a break while Trump was in office?

The disconnect is unreal. Not only did Trump not once stand behind the intelligence community when [URL="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812"]they uniformly agreed[/URL] Russia was behind devious acts, [URL="https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-says-he-trusts-vladimir-putin-more-than-us-intelligence-and-asks-joe-biden-to-send-his-warmest-regards/ar-AAKVqyd"]he literally said[/URL] he trusts Putin more than the intelligence community. My man, it's shit like this is why I don't take you seriously. Trump didn't once say "stop raping us online" he literally gave Putin a jar of vaseline and asked if he wanted his ass or mouth.

Regardless, as much as you want Trump to be running shit once again, he's not. [B]And so it falls on Biden to do more than talk tough to Putin. I don't have high expectations just because Biden doesn't seem the type to try and cripple Russia just because they're doing the same shit to us. [/B]

I also agree with Sunny, hope the day comes where cyber security is no longer a partisan issue. Every first world country has skin in the game when it comes to devious acts online.[/quote]

No more with the conspiracy theories…look to packing Poland with missiles, killing Russian mercenaries, multiple layers of sanctions against hacking activities and lethal weapon aid to Ukraine.

So continued Obama-like soft policy with Russia which was an abject failure? Don’t make me list the failures again. Also, yes Trump was aggressive with policy despite his rhetoric…that lead to a deterrent against Russia actions like these continuous hacking exploits.

Three already? Biden has to respond…this is fucking ridiculous. Let’s also note Biden gave the Russians a major strategy energy win with removing Trump era sanctions which allows first the completion and then the control of pipeline into Europe.

Good too see you back in the thread moob 😵*💫

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1285621]How did Trump kiss Putin's ass? I'm legitimately asking.

Was Obama tough on Putin?

Was Trump any different than the last couple administration's before him?

Seems like Trump is held to a different standard than anyone else because most of you hate him personally.[/quote]


Bothsideism definitely applies when it comes to Trump and Obama interactions with Russia/Putin - Obama was soft even before he was inaugurated (The after I'm elected comments, the wrecking of NATO missile defense policy etc. and Trump has been praising/defending Putin since he was elected.

Biden hasn't been as soft as either (yet?) but that is almost certainly due to Trump's coziness with Putin rather than a rational policy decision (although in this case it works out).

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[quote=Chico23231;1285624]No more with the conspiracy theories…look to packing Poland with missiles, killing Russian mercenaries, multiple layers of sanctions against hacking activities and lethal weapon aid to Ukraine.

So continued Obama-like soft policy with Russia which was an abject failure? Don’t make me list the failures again. Also, yes Trump was aggressive with policy despite his rhetoric…that lead to a deterrent against Russia actions like these continuous hacking exploits.

Three already? Biden has to respond…this is fucking ridiculous. Let’s also note Biden gave the Russians a major strategy energy win with removing Trump era sanctions which allows first the completion and then the control of pipeline into Europe.

Good too see you back in the thread moob 😵*💫[/quote]

Where did I mention any conspiracy theory?

I agree Biden has to respond, but even if he sanctioned similar ops against Russia would you expect them to make a public statement about it?

"Yes we have authorized hacking ops to shut down Russia's oil pipeline in retaliation for their ransomware attacks" - even if we did some dirt like that they wouldn't announce it.

I disagree with you that Trump was effectively deterring Russia but I know you're dug in and I am too so we can skip that argument.

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[quote=Chico23231;1285615]

It’s no coincidence that as soon as the the Biden administration came into office Russian based hackers have launched attacks against the country. I’d like to see Biden fight back. This isn’t Trump fault[/quote]

In March of last year, thousands of companies and U.S. government agencies were sent a routine software update. This happened regularly with SolarWinds Orion software. There was no reason to suspect anything was wrong with the update.

What they couldn't see at the time was a malicious piece of code buried deep within the update, a Trojan horse planted by Russian military hackers looking for a backdoor to important American computer networks.

Nine months after that compromised software update, cybersecurity firm FireEye sounded the alarm. They had been hacked. Their crown jewels, what the company calls "Red Team tools," had been stolen. FireEye suspected that anyone who had downloaded and installed the SolarWinds Orion update had been hacked too.

The U.S. Treasury Department, Department of Justice, State Department, Energy Department, and the agency that protects and transports the U.S. nuclear arsenal, didn't see the Russians rummaging through their computer networks for nine months. Businesses, including software titan Microsoft, also found their systems compromised by the update. SolarWinds says its products are used by 300,000 customers around the globe, and that 18,000 customers downloaded its compromised software update.

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/solarwinds-60-minutes-2021-07-04/[/url]

The biggest cyber espionage hack ever was done by Russia to us in March 2020. During trumps watch.

1. Russia and China will hack us as much and as often as they can, regardless of who is the current US president

2. Trump DID weaken our cyber security defenses and Trump DID downplay Solar Winds hack and Russia's involvement

3. Biden has taken steps in his first few months in office. He sanctioned Russia for the solar winds hack and we created and installed a new position National Cyber Director.

4. Cyber security should and mostly is bipartisan.

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President Donald Trump played down the SolarWinds breach and shifted blame to China in his first public remarks on a cyberattack that’s crippled numerous federal agencies.

[B]“The Cyber Hack is far greater in the Fake News Media than in actuality,” Trump tweeted at 11:30 a.m. ET Saturday. “I have been fully briefed and everything is well under control. Russia, Russia, Russia is the priority chant when anything happens because Lamestream is, for mostly financial reasons, petrified of discussing the possibility that it may be China (it may!).”
[/B]
Trump’s remarks around attribution contradict what Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Friday in an interview with conservative talk radio program “The Mark Levin Show.”

[url]https://www.crn.com/news/security/trump-downplays-solarwinds-hack-pompeo-blames-russia[/url]

[B]White House officials had readied a statement Friday calling Russia "the main actor" in the attack, but were ordered not to release it[/B], the Associated Press reports.

Around the same time, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in an interview that Russia is "pretty clearly" behind the attack, which hit the State Department, among many other agencies and businesses.
Saturday, Trump tweeted that the extent of the attack was being overplayed by the media and that others could be responsible for the attack, perhaps China.

Between the lines: Some security experts fear the president's position will transform what should be a unified government response to a hostile act by a foreign power into yet another personal loyalty test.

Last month Trump fired CISA director Christopher Krebs after Krebs affirmed that the 2020 election had been secure.

Anything involving "Russia, Russia, Russia" (as Trump put it in his tweet) has been a sore point for the president since Russia's hacks during the 2016 election became the foundation for years of investigations into his administration's relationship with Moscow.

[url]https://www.axios.com/solarwinds-hack-russia-trump-blame-game-683eca31-ff57-4582-b6a7-5e31c0787c94.html[/url]

Receipts as you like to say ....

Its okay to acknowledge that a bankrupt tv reality personality would put his image above country ...

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[quote=nonniey;1285625]Bothsideism definitely applies when it comes to Trump and Obama interactions with Russia/Putin - Obama was soft even before he was inaugurated (The after I'm elected comments, the wrecking of NATO missile defense policy etc. and Trump has been praising/defending Putin since he was elected.

Biden hasn't been as soft as either (yet?) but that is almost certainly due to Trump's coziness with Putin rather than a rational policy decision (although in this case it works out).[/quote]

Chico has a point about the lifting of the pipeline sanction - hmm close Keystone and hurt Canada and the US, but remove sanctions connected to the Euro pipeline and help Russia. I withdraw my assertion that Biden is harder on the Russians so far, he is just as bad as his two predecessors.

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The pipeline .. Ive heard 2 reasons why.

1. Germany really wanted us to lift the sanctions bc the pipeline would greatly help them (albeit make them even more dependent on russia energy). After 4 years of treating our main ally poorly, I think we are trying to mend some broken relations.

2. We want to try and work with Russia on areas where we can. We made targeted sanctions in response to Solar Winds hack and this pipeline to Germany has nothing to do with the hacking.

I did read weve "hacked" russias power grid .. or at least let them know we can hack it at any moment.

----------

But my original thought remains ... what do we do with Russia and hacking? Do you hack them back hard? Do you sanction them some more?

its not a biden or trump thing moving forward .. what do we do now?

Id say we make cyber security a top priority. the actual details, i dont know.

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[quote=SunnySide;1285628]In March of last year, thousands of companies and U.S. government agencies were sent a routine software update. This happened regularly with SolarWinds Orion software. There was no reason to suspect anything was wrong with the update.

What they couldn't see at the time was a malicious piece of code buried deep within the update, a Trojan horse planted by Russian military hackers looking for a backdoor to important American computer networks.

Nine months after that compromised software update, cybersecurity firm FireEye sounded the alarm. They had been hacked. Their crown jewels, what the company calls "Red Team tools," had been stolen. FireEye suspected that anyone who had downloaded and installed the SolarWinds Orion update had been hacked too.

The U.S. Treasury Department, Department of Justice, State Department, Energy Department, and the agency that protects and transports the U.S. nuclear arsenal, didn't see the Russians rummaging through their computer networks for nine months. Businesses, including software titan Microsoft, also found their systems compromised by the update. SolarWinds says its products are used by 300,000 customers around the globe, and that 18,000 customers downloaded its compromised software update.

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/solarwinds-60-minutes-2021-07-04/[/url]

The biggest cyber espionage hack ever was done by Russia to us in March 2020. During trumps watch.

1. Russia and China will hack us as much and as often as they can, regardless of who is the current US president

2. Trump DID weaken our cyber security defenses and Trump DID downplay Solar Winds hack and Russia's involvement

3. Biden has taken steps in his first few months in office. He sanctioned Russia for the solar winds hack and we created and installed a new position National Cyber Director.

4. Cyber security should and mostly is bipartisan.[/quote]

Well your not gonna read the plan and what the administration did based on Cooperation with Obama and built off csnp…which included the first transparency plan between private and public sector. You say simply Trump administration lead us down the wrong path on cyber security as he dismissed someone…thats wholehearted false. Even previous Obama officials stated trump administration was focused on cyber security and heavily invested.

solar winds…terrible hack…on the Trump administration, that’s fine, I’ll take that, but weird how with all the fake Russia hoaxes this seemed to the be one Dems were quiet about. Weird right?

But that type hack versus ransom ware and major infrastructure government/business continuity issues…which affects us more? Which affects the people of this country in day to day? That’s the problem.

Saying this is trumps fault, nope…this is a Biden problem which he hasn’t responded well enough especially after his face to face.

And there is no excuse for Biden removing sanctions to allow a major strategic energy win for Russia in leu of a cyber hacks to disrupt our pipelines. Come’on man…2 scoops of ice cream ain’t good enough reason to allow it.

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Foreign hacking is no ones fault. We cant stop China or Russia from trying, Id assume we are under constant multiple attacks at all times .. and that doesnt change if its a D or an R in the WH.

Its not Trumps fault then and its not Bidens fault now.

Claiming that Biden is weak on Russia and hacking bc of his decision re a pipeline that benefits our ally Germany and is not connected to cyber hacking .... thats your call.

Hopefully we make cyber security a main priority going forward ... just seems like such an untameable ever changing beast to me.

I dont think we will ever be in front of it. Honestly what our govt is doing, i dont think we will ever know or become public knowledge.

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[quote=SunnySide;1285635]Foreign hacking is no ones fault. We cant stop China or Russia from trying, Id assume we are under constant multiple attacks at all times .. and that doesnt change if its a D or an R in the WH.

Its not Trumps fault then and its not Bidens fault now.

Claiming that Biden is weak on Russia and hacking bc of his decision re a pipeline that benefits our ally Germany and is not connected to cyber hacking .... thats your call.

Hopefully we make cyber security a main priority going forward ... just seems like such an untameable ever changing beast to me.

I dont think we will ever be in front of it. Honestly what our govt is doing, i dont think we will ever know or become public knowledge.[/quote]

Agreed, that it's only the president's fault insomuch as he was the president when it happened (any president). But it's not like they are on the front lines.

And you can't stop every hack forever. It's not possible or reasonable to expect.

As much as playing defense the best you can is important, I think being able to track where the threats come from and being able to hit back twice as hard is more important.

Cyber warfare is going to be just as important as boots on the ground for the rest of humans existence on this planet.

We should be spending time, money, and resources on it like our national security depends on it. Because it does.

We can launch an offensive attack with manpower/weapons that the world has never seen before, we need to have the same capabilities with cyber warfare. Maybe we already do, like you said, I doubt that is info they will or should share.

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Infrastructure Bill is going to be interesting. Seems there are going to be 2 bills.

One is bipartisan at around 1.2T focused on "hard" infrastructure like roads, bridges.

Second is the Dem only one, which would be passed through reconciliation only requiring 50 + 1 (VP Harris). Manchin said he could go along with a 2T plan, Bernie wants 6T. Dem plan would include climate measures, health care, college etc.

The "infrastructure bill" is supposed to pay for itself and then some but idk. Im not keen on passing a 6T bill. 2T sounds fair enough.

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6 trillion…what in the actual fuck ? Amazing. Absolutely no way should we waste 6 trillion for these bullshit pet projects…I’m sure they spending on welfare so more lazy ass Democrats can sit home and not work…claiming their oppressed or some other made up bullshit excuse of being a victim


I know what I’m getting G1 for Christmas:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5txDszWQAQNqOB?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG]

Lol get rekt

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[quote=SunnySide;1285640]Infrastructure Bill is going to be interesting. Seems there are going to be 2 bills.

One is bipartisan at around 1.2T focused on "hard" infrastructure like roads, bridges.

Second is the Dem only one, which would be passed through reconciliation only requiring 50 + 1 (VP Harris). Manchin said he could go along with a 2T plan, Bernie wants 6T. Dem plan would include climate measures, health care, college etc.

The "infrastructure bill" is supposed to pay for itself and then some but idk. Im not keen on passing a 6T bill. 2T sounds fair enough.[/quote]

Wow 2T sounds fair enough??? How did we get to the point where anyone thinks that is sane?

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1285656]Wow 2T sounds fair enough??? How did we get to the point where anyone thinks that is sane?[/QUOTE]


By ignoring it for years and years and years. Mitch and the GOP and their “just leave well enough alone” attitude. Now we have major issues across the board as a result of the do nothing GOP.
It’s the same as not paying your bills or taxes for years. All of the sudden you have a mountain of debt. Its just on a larger scale because we are talking about an entire country not a single family home.

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The guy who we cannot mention by name because he is suddenly irrelevant (yeah sure) spent 2 T on tax cuts for the super rich but there is outrage on a possible 2T bill that would actually benefit all Americans. Laughable.
Unless you are a multi millionaire and you stand behind today’s GOP you might as well just wake up every day, punch yourself in the face repeatedly, and go back to sleep.

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[quote=punch it in;1285659]The guy who we cannot mention by name because he is suddenly irrelevant (yeah sure) spent 2 T on tax cuts for the super rich but there is outrage on a possible 2T bill that would actually benefit all Americans. Laughable.
Unless you are a multi millionaire and you stand behind today’s GOP you might as well just wake up every day, punch yourself in the face repeatedly, and go back to sleep.[/quote]

+1,nice post!

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[YT]DcQPqMANBfY[/YT]

Watch this sad clip…he is confused and pulls out notes and can’t even answer basic questions. I honestly feel sorry for the guy

This is your “adults back in the White House”

Pathetic…everyone agree this is dementia or he is going through some cognitive decline?

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[quote=Chico23231;1285667][YT]DcQPqMANBfY[/YT]

Watch this sad clip…he is confused and pulls out notes and can’t even answer basic questions. I honestly feel sorry for the guy

This is your “adults back in the White House”

Pathetic…everyone agree this is dementia or he is going through some cognitive decline?[/quote]

Idk, is cognitive decline something people experience in their 80's?

You aren't gonna get the response you want on this because expecting an 80 year old man to be the image of perfect health is unreasonable. We elected him because the alternative was a skid mark on american history. I ain't sweating it until he starts getting spoon fed baby food.

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[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/comments/ofrn4o/leaked_video_of_gops_disruption_plans_for_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3[/url]

Love seeing an inside look at the GOP strategy for the next year and a half. Cause as much disruption as possible then talk about how Dems don't get shit done. Classic.

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[quote=mooby;1285671][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/comments/ofrn4o/leaked_video_of_gops_disruption_plans_for_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3[/url]

Love seeing an inside look at the GOP strategy for the next year and a half. Cause as much disruption as possible then talk about how Dems don't get shit done. Classic.[/quote]

You understand the Democratic strategy with trump coming into to office was to make up a phony narrative about Russian collusion based on opposition research group dishonest/zero facts Steele dossier that lead to an illegal surveillance warrant in which the FBI lawyer altered a document and was sent to jail in order to delegitimization Trump election as President.

Have any of your Reddit folks talked about those facts…or you just tuned into the conspiracy theories based on “parler watch”

Look, the GOP and the administration have gotten together to pass some legislation and bills in the first 6 months. Infrastructure bill was agreed to by the GOP until Biden/progressives fucked it all up…that’s on them. There is some progress being made

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[quote=Chico23231;1285673]You understand the Democratic strategy with trump coming into to office was to make up a phony narrative about Russian collusion based on opposition research group dishonest/zero facts Steele dossier that lead to an illegal surveillance warrant in which the FBI lawyer altered a document and was sent to jail in order to delegitimization Trump election as President.

Have any of your Reddit folks talked about those facts…or you just tuned into the conspiracy theories based on “parler watch”

Look, the GOP and the administration have gotten together to pass some legislation and bills in the first 6 months. Infrastructure bill was agreed to by the GOP until Biden/progressives fucked it all up…that’s on them. There is some progress being made[/quote]

Trump has no one to blame for the collusion witch hunt but himself. You cannot go onto national tv and ask Russia to hack into your opponents server and release the emails. You also can't receive reports from the CIA an organization designed to protect us from foreign threats documenting Russian interference then support Putin despite what the reports say. Those things are going to make the most trivial interactions look suspicious.

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[quote=nonniey;1285656]Wow 2T sounds fair enough??? How did we get to the point where anyone thinks that is sane?[/quote]

The last Transportation Bill was passed in 2015 with a price tag of 305B that expired last year and we extended it this year bc we didnt have a replacement.

So it seems there needs to be some kind of new Transportation Bill.

There hasnt been a gas tax increase since 1993 and with cars being more fuel efficient, the Highway Trust Fund will be insolvent by 2022.

So it looks like we need to (1) pass a new Trans Bill, (2) pump money into it bc the gas tax supposed to fund it is nearly zero.

But I dont think anyone is arguing about the need for one .. just the amount and scope.
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By The Numbers: Biden's $2 Trillion Infrastructure Plan

The $2 trillion proposal includes:

$115 billion to repair and rebuild bridges, highways and roads;
$100 billion to expand high-speed broadband across the entire country;
$100 billion to upgrade and build new schools;
and $100 billion to expand and improve power lines and spur a shift to clean energy.

Embedded within the plan are efforts to build out U.S. clean energy infrastructure that, by itself, would rank as one of the most ambitious initiatives ever by the federal government to lower the country's greenhouse gas emissions, along with efforts to address racial inequalities and advance the U.S. economy to compete with China.

The initial package includes two environmental ideas Biden regularly talked about when running for president: creating a New Deal-inspired Climate Conservation Corps to work on conservation projects and environmental justice efforts, as well as catalyzing an irreversible shift from gasoline-powered to electric vehicles.

Biden wants to [B]spend billions on rebates and tax incentives to encourage Americans to purchase electric vehicles[/B], and he proposes paying for the [B]transition of thousands of transit and school buses from diesel to electric.[/B] At the same time, [B]he wants incentives for state and local governments to build electric vehicle charging stations to power those new cars and buses.[/B]

Altogether, Biden is [B]proposing $174 billion in spending on boosting the electric vehicle market [/B]— more than the plan would spend on highway and bridge repairs.

The proposal would also try to [B]speed up private investments in clean energy such as wind and solar by expanding investment and production tax credits and funding existing state and local projects that already do the same.
Biden Administration Pushes Major Expansion For Offshore Wind Energy[/B]

Biden has repeatedly said that addressing historic racial injustice is one of the top goals of his administration. Attempts to fix decades of racial inequity run through the various efforts in the infrastructure proposal. The president's plan would [B]replace all of the country's lead pipes and service lines — dangerous infrastructure flaws that predominantly affect communities of color such as Flint, Mich. It would spend $85 billion improving and expanding mass transportation, the main mode of transportation for many people of color.[/B]

Biden's plan even includes a $20 billion proposal to reconnect urban neighborhoods cut off, bulldozed and blighted by highways planned and built with little to no regard for the people who lived along their routes.

The pay-fors

Biden's just-passed $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan relied entirely on deficit spending. This time, the administration is proposing tax hikes — with several directed at corporations.

The White House wants to raise corporate taxes to 28% — halfway between the current top corporate rate of 21% set by former President Donald Trump's 2017 tax law and the 35% rate before it was enacted. Biden's measure would also raise the global minimum tax for U.S. multinational corporations, attempting to stop the shifting of profits to tax havens.

The infrastructure proposal does not mention raising individual tax rates, including on wealthy Americans.

While the bulk of the proposal's $2 trillion in spending would come over the coming eight years, the administration says the [B]increased revenue would pay for all of the projects over a timespan nearly twice as long: 15 years.[/B]

[url]https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/982908847/biden-set-to-unveil-expansive-2-trillion-infrastructure-plan[/url]

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The year is 2021.

Electric vehicles - im all for it. Its the future, its where we are going. Fossil fuels are outdated and while we have vast oil reserves, the market is volatile and too dependent on Iran and Russias of the world.

Clean energy - alternative energy sources just makes sense. Why not take serious steps towards the future of energy.

Transitioning busses from gas to electric - just making more sense. Weve put off technology long enough.


Looking at the bill, it is transformative but it is needed. If the Dems dont get this done now in their 2 year window, youre looking at god knows how long until they have another chance.

Obama got ACA.

Trump got his corporate tax cuts.

Biden hopefully gets his Transportation Bill.


*** yeah i know its a big wall of hard to read text ... but its the first article I read that did a decent breakdown ... for anyone interested in knowing the details of a plan they already made their mind up to hate ***

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Fuck trump

Yahoo News
'Was there a bone saw?' How Trump helped the Saudis whitewash the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.


[url]https://news.yahoo.com/was-there-a-bone-saw-how-trump-helped-the-saudis-whitewash-the-murder-of-jamal-khashoggi-090028789.html[/url]

The story of how the Trump White House responded to Khashoggi’s gruesome murder — and ultimately helped cover up the crime — is the subject of “Anatomy of a Cover-up,” the eighth and final episode in the Yahoo News’ “Conspiracyland” podcast series, “The Secret Lives and Brutal Death of Jamal Khashoggi.”

It is a story in which American values and rhetorical support for human rights around the world collided head first with perceived U.S. strategic and economic interests in the region. And it is a tension that carried over into the Biden administration when the new president, having pledged during his campaign to turn the Saudi kingdom into a world “pariah,” chose not to impose any penalties on the person who the CIA had concluded was responsible for Khashoggi’s murder: Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, or MBS.





chico blaming MSM in .....5,4,3,2,1

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1285667][YT]DcQPqMANBfY[/YT]

Watch this sad clip…he is confused and pulls out notes and can’t even answer basic questions. I honestly feel sorry for the guy

This is your “adults back in the White House”

Pathetic…everyone agree this is dementia or he is going through some cognitive decline?[/QUOTE]


Keep grasping for straws buddy. Injecting bleach, nuking hurricanes, making fun of the handicapped, making fun of POW’s, airports in the civil war, yes adults are back in the WH brother. Next 7 years is going to be so much fun.