Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=Ruhskins;566309]Man, whatever happened with this being the site for the "Knowledgeable Fan". :doh:[/quote]


Exactly you guys are argueing with a video. i guess it was all fixed. computer generated and all..the man should be fired

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=Ruhskins;566246]A little bit more stats...



Great analysis there, you forgot to compare JC to Brady and Payton Manning (if you are looking for an easy argument I guess) :doh:. Anyway, Warner is an old QB and did pretty good throughout the season. It helped that AZ only allowed 28 sacks (tied 11th for the least sacks allowed) and he had two Pro Bowl wideouts (and arguably the best WR in Fitzgerald). Now, if you had thought about it a bit more (but I guess since you don't like stats), you could've made the argument that Warner won without having a running game (ranked at the bottom in the league) and with a crappy defense. However, I'm sure someone would have easily point out that the NFC West wasn't that competitive, allowing AZ to win the division with just one more win that our team, and the fact that AZ's defense came alive and finally complimented the offense during the playoffs.[/quote]

Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=DCtoAZ;565812][B]with Colt and Chase I would hate to see us cut one of them (probably Chase).[/B]

ya think ?????? lol .. Chase is as good as gone .. practice squad at best[/quote]


Don't be so sure. I think the FO would love to see Colt beat out Collins

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566310]Exactly you guys are argueing with a video. i guess it was all fixed. computer generated and all..the man should be fired[/quote]

Dude, you just can't admit when you are wrong, can you?

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=44Deezel;566311]Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. [B]JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.[/B][/quote]

I'm not saying that you are one, but if all JC-haters would mention this every once in a while, it would have saved me from doing a lot of typing tonite.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=44Deezel;566311]Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.[/quote]

Finally a voice of reason

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=44Deezel;566311]Sacks and pass protection aren't always directly related. Warner is known for punishing the blitz with quick and accurate strikes, so teams think twice about being overly aggressive with him. JC, on the other hand, hasn't shown the ability to consistently keep defenses honest with his quick decision making, so teams come after him with everything they have, which can skew the sack numbers and make the O-line look bad.

Yes, the O-line could have played better, the receivers don't scare anyone and the offensive coaching could just be lousy for all that we know. But if the QB hangs onto the ball too long and needs receivers to be wide open before he's willing to get rid of the ball, then he's part of the reason he keeps getting knocked on his ass. JC doesn't deserve all of the blame, but he's not entirely blameless either.[/quote]

Good analysis.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=Lotus;566313]Dude, you just can't admit when you are wrong, can you?[/quote]

how am i wrong, the man shows video proof and then shows JC's stats where he is near the bottom of the league in each?? are you that blind?

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;566312]Don't be so sure. [B]I think the FO would love to see Colt beat out Collins[/B][/quote]

You are correct. Then question is, can he? If Colt can't, there is no reason to release Collins just yet.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566310]Exactly you guys are argueing with a video. i guess it was all fixed. computer generated and all..the man should be fired[/quote]

No, we are arguing with your delusional self who keeps bringing up this video like it is the NFL bible.

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566315]Finally a voice of reason[/quote]

An argument with facts that points out both negative and positive aspects of a player, yep that's what a reasonable argument looks like.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566317]how am i wrong, the man shows video proof and then shows JC's stats where he is near the bottom of the league in each?? are you that blind?[/quote]

Dude, once again this is a simple point...in that video Wilcots demonstrates an OPINION, not PROOF.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

I heart this thread.

[quote=44Deezel;566279]One thing I'll say about Flacco is that he isn't afraid to throw to receivers when they're "covered" (and he seems to go downfield on every pass play). There has been a lot of criticism that the skins receivers can't get open, but open is a relative term in the NFL. A few times every game, you'll see receivers who are blanketed, sometimes by 2 defenders, make spectacular catches. I recall one bomb Flacco threw to Clayton in the playoffs, I believe against Tennessee, where the 2 defenders ran into each other and fell down right as the ball got there. Clayton caught it and walked in for the score. I remember saying to myself, Campbell would have never thrown that ball".[/quote]I know you weren't aware of this, but multiple places that chart plays around the internet have commented that Flacco and the Ravens led the league, by far, in max protect schemes. 2 receivers per route. Basically, Flacco would be worthless if he can't complete passes into coverage because there are at least 5 guys out there to cover those 2 players. Flacco is not useless, but this is also not a particularly productive offense, and it's got little upside in the near-term future.

Basically, the offense is set up for Flacco to throw that pass. Maybe we should have hired Cam Cameron to be our head coach instead. Then we'd throw downfield more often.

[quote=44Deezel;566279]Now, you can't always get away with those passes, but good NFL QBs make a few completions like that every game. And I don't want to hear about pass protection. Yes, the pass protection was poor at times, but it wasn't as if he never, ever got time to pass. And if the Skins were smart, they would use all of their running backs like the Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Titans, Dolphins and seemingly every other team in the NFL does these days with a few exceptions. It's nice that Portis was 4th in the NFL in yardage, but some of that has to do with the fact that there are only 10 or so feature backs left.[/quote]Campbell makes those completions too. This is a fact. If we're talking with the frequency we go down field...well, that's a different argument. Sounds like your beef with the quarterback is misplaced. Sounds like you think you could call an offense better than Jim Zorn. Maybe that's true, I don't think you're going to get the oppertunity though.

As for using the running backs, I agree with you, but give it another season. We had about 6 "lost" games from an offensive ingenuity perspective, which limits our ability to judge Zorn's ability to be creative and make the best calls.

[quote=44Deezel;566279]All that said, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, so I guess it's possible JC could have as well. But does anyone consider Trent Dilfer a good QB? I don't think too many JC "haters" would argue that he's pretty good when everything else around him is perfect, but perfect conditions are the exception, not the rule in the NFL. I think some of us would like to see him display the ability to make things happen when conditions are less than ideal. Hopefully, he will do so this year.[/quote]No one considers Trent Dilfer a good QB, but no one really doubts that Campbell is better than Dilfer. I mean, Campbell could flame out this year and get benched...and he'd still be ahead of Dilfer at said point in his career.

Expecting a perfect offensive environment would be as much of a fallacy as trying to cruify his performance under the relative circumstances of the last 5 games of last season. Let's make a pact to do neither. Campbell's not getting a perfect offensive environment with the Washington Redskins. But if he can't get something better than the end of last season, then it's pretty irrelivant who is behind the center, we're not going to score points.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=Lotus;566320]Dude, once again this is a simple point...in that video Wilcots demonstrates an OPINION, not PROOF.[/quote]


Words are an opinion.. video is proof. youre like those guys who get caught on tape cheating and say baby it wasnt me.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566305]everyone has an opinion. but when you can back it up with video proof.. makes it a little hard to argue.[/quote]

Jason Campbell is so good he can do things others can only dream of. The video proves it

[YT]aoYbevFvWg8[/YT]

But in all seriousness. JoeRedskin what time is it?

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;566315]Finally a voice of reason[/quote]

True, but it's not like others haven't been saying that as well