Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

It's always possible to improve & there are the rare QBs that happen to be really late bloomers, e.g. K. Warner, Tommy Maddox. Aren't many of those guys though, usually after 4-5 years in NFL a QB is approaching his ceiling.

I don't get why some think Rex is so close to being good. Does he make some throws well? yes, he can make plays w/little to no pressure, but that's not a luxury anyone in the nfl has. Not only that he consistently throws the ball into traffic when not under much pressure, and his mobility is so limited in the pocket that he can't create better lanes when there's a little pressure. He's the same Rex he always has been.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=GMScud;849542]Yeah people talk about how he went to a SuperBowl... Remember how Lovie Smith had to reiterate just about every damn week that "Rex is our Quarterback" to the media?[B][I] That's called winning in spite of someone, not because of them.[/I][/B]

I don't think Rex is terrible overall as an NFL QB, but at this point I don't think he's starting material either. He's where he needs to be, now. Holding a clipboard. Hey, it could be worse. He can spend the next 5 or 6 years chilling on an NFL sideline making in the neighborhood of $1M/season.[/quote]

That is exactly the way I thought after watching even the early season victories this year with rex. Its like you read my mind. Nothing has changed whenit comes to rex grossman, a tiger cant change his stripes.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

This is a pretty good break down of Grossman's 5 INT's prior to the Eagles game. I really wish someone would do the Eagles game as well, but at this point the pitch fork mob doesn't care I'm sure. But out of the 5 previous INT's they can only blame Grossman for 1

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/10/3/2466552/its-been-coming-the-rex-grossman-breakdown-part-1-a-look-at-all-5]It's been coming, the Rex Grossman breakdown. Part 1 - A look at all 5 Interceptions. - Hogs Haven[/url]

[QUOTE]So overall we have 5 INTs. 2 of which weren't in anyway Rex's fault. 1 was a great play from the mike LB, 1 was an off-balanced throw after feeling pressure, which is something he can learn from and adjust. That just leaves 1 really bad play, which I still can't really help Grossman out with.
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Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=SBXVII;850110]This is a pretty good break down of Grossman's 5 INT's prior to the Eagles game. I really wish someone would do the Eagles game as well, but at this point the pitch fork mob doesn't care I'm sure. But out of the 5 previous INT's they can only blame Grossman for 1

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/10/3/2466552/its-been-coming-the-rex-grossman-breakdown-part-1-a-look-at-all-5]It's been coming, the Rex Grossman breakdown. Part 1 - A look at all 5 Interceptions. - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Well, look I don't hate Grossman. And certainly supported him. That said, at this point in his career "throwing off balance passes while feeling pressure" isn't something he should still be "learning from"

Also, while I agree that not all the interceptions are his fault. That's unfortunately the reality of playing QB. You get the blame for all of them. Just like not all TD passes should be solely credited to him

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

Defending Rex at this point is just laughable. Look at his career, his resume at this point tells you exactly what he is.

I don't hate the guy, but pretending he's on the cusp of greatness is just insane. He's an average QB, better suited as a backup at this point.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=Mattyk;850125]Defending Rex at this point is just laughable. Look at his career, his resume at this point tells you exactly what he is.

I don't hate the guy, but pretending he's on the cusp of greatness is just insane. He's an average QB, better suited as a backup at this point.[/quote]

Also, having any Rex Grossman debate at this point is pretty pointless. He has lost his shot at becoming at best a game manager. The team has moved on to Beck and so should the fans.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=Mattyk;850125]Defending Rex at this point is just laughable. Look at his career, his resume at this point tells you exactly what he is.

I don't hate the guy, but pretending he's on the cusp of greatness is just insane. He's an average QB, better suited as a backup at this point.[/quote]

YEP, Nothing more needs to be said...

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=Ruhskins;850127]Also, having any Rex Grossman debate at this point is pretty pointless. He has lost his shot at becoming at best a game manager. The team has moved on to Beck and so should the fans.[/quote]


Pointless up until Sun. and if Beck comes out and plays no better then it's no longer pointless. I'll tell you what, most likely I'll be here while watching the game or what ever game thread for the day they have here. "IF" Beck lights it up and is 100% better I'll be the first to say "touche', I was definitly wrong." However my arguement is not about which QB is better as it is more Beck will not do any better based off of our receivers and what their not getting done.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

Unleash the fury "Redheaded Stranger" and show the world that you have arrived to the party, with ya hands up screaming whts up mofo's!!!!! 25-30 3td's 1 Big Dirty

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;850145]Unleash the fury "Redheaded Stranger" and show the world that you have arrived to the party, with ya hands up screaming whts up mofo's!!!!! 25-30 3td's 1 Big Dirty[/quote]
BOOM..........

Red headed assassin!

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

I think we will move the ball better with Beck, but we now have issues with the O line, which makes the move to Beck even more sound. Who knows, he may surprise us and be an effective QB.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

I think Beck will give us a much better shot at 8-8 than Rex in a heart beat. Rex isn't inconsistent anymore, he is consistently BAD now. I just hope Hightower is in good shape, so we can run the ball more against Carolina. They have a crappy run defense.

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=SBXVII;850141]Pointless up until Sun. and if Beck comes out and plays no better then it's no longer pointless. I'll tell you what, most likely I'll be here while watching the game or what ever game thread for the day they have here. "IF" Beck lights it up and is 100% better I'll be the first to say "touche', I was definitly wrong." However my arguement is not about which QB is better as it is more Beck will not do any better based off of our receivers and what their not getting done.[/quote]

Exactly,its not pointless.We need to know the facts before saying grossman sucks blah blah blah.Theres too many people calling out rex and saying how bad he is dismissing any evidence otherwise.Having said that I do think we need to switch to Beck at this point.I feel bad for rex but with our off line situation I feel we just cant have a staue in the pocket.I have no grand illusions of beck lighting it up,thats most likely not going to happen{except everybody has 1 great game,so its possible}Just feel we need someone that can avoid some of the sacks that our headed our way

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

What would you consider as Rex's "Great" game?

Re: John Beck Era Begins
 

[quote=Gtothearry;850189]What would you consider as Rex's "Great" game?[/quote]

lol,IDk,gotta be one in their somewhere!