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[quote=firstdown;1026325]Giantone you must be sleeping on the job. He was probably a member of the NRA and a gun nut.

[URL="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20530131-why-did-he-do-it-unanswered-questions-about-the-washington-navy-yard-rampage?lite"]Why did he do it? Unanswered questions about the Washington Navy Yard rampage - U.S. News[/URL]

And you questioned why blind people should have a carry permit.

[URL="http://www.today.com/news/man-who-led-blind-coworker-navy-yard-shooting-he-was-4B11180866"]Hero who led blind coworker from Navy Yard shooting: 'He was all by himself' - TODAY.com[/URL][/quote]


I see you agree with me also .

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/navy-yard-shooting-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Investigators seek Aaron Alexis' motive after D.C. Navy Yard shooting - CNN.com[/url]

SO police had recent reports this guy was hearing voices and having some sort of mental breakdown. And he had reached out to Vetern Affairs for help with psychological issues. Please tell me what sense is there in arming someone like this? 12 dead bodies. We need to seperate the mentally unstable people from weapons. It doesnt make sense

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Already illegal.

[I]Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.” [/I]

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[quote=RedskinRat;1026542]Already illegal.

[I]Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.” [/I][/quote]


Hey what about better background checks maybe that would help ,ya know like at gun shows or with independent dealers ,anything would be better than innocent people dead, would you agree ?

[QUOTE=Giantone;1026569]Hey what about better background checks maybe that would help ,ya know like at gun shows or with independent dealers ,anything would be better than innocent people dead, would you agree ?[/QUOTE]

Define 'better'. We already have shit in place, it's not enforced, more regulations will make no positive difference.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1026620]Define 'better'. We already have shit in place, it's not enforced, more regulations will make no positive difference.[/quote]Bet you're already aware, giantone can't do definitions well. Especially in this case where :

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/us/shooting-reported-at-washington-navy-yard.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0"]Navy officials said Mr. Alexis was given a general discharge in 2011 after exhibiting a “pattern of misbehavior,” which officials declined to detail. The year before, Mr. Alexis was arrested in Fort Worth for discharging a firearm after an upstairs neighbor said he had confronted her in the parking lot about making too much noise, according to a Fort Worth police report.

The police in Seattle, where Mr. Alexis once lived, said Monday that they had arrested him in 2004 for shooting the tires of another man’s vehicle in what Mr. Alexis later described to detectives as an anger-fueled “blackout.” [/URL]

In this case, the closest definition to what "better" should be is "enforced". One would think there would already be plenty of background checks for a civilian contractor for the Navy anyways, but obviously there was a breakdown there...... But I'm sure giantone meant "more restrictions on everybody else even though it wouldn't have prevented this shooting (never fail to exploit a tragedy)".

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[quote=RedskinRat;1026620]Define 'better'. We already have shit in place, it's not enforced, more regulations will make no positive difference.[/quote]"like at Gun shows were there are none "

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[quote=HailGreen28;1026642]
One would think there would already be plenty of background checks for a civilian contractor for the Navy anyways, but obviously there was a breakdown there.[/quote]

I didn't realize that when they do that kind of "background check"(employment) they see if you own a gun or guns ,wow, you are smart .

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[quote=HailGreen28;1026642]Bet you're already aware, giantone can't do definitions well. Especially in this case where :

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/us/shooting-reported-at-washington-navy-yard.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0"]Navy officials said Mr. Alexis was given a general discharge in 2011 after exhibiting a “pattern of misbehavior,” which officials declined to detail. The year before, Mr. Alexis was arrested in Fort Worth for discharging a firearm after an upstairs neighbor said he had confronted her in the parking lot about making too much noise, according to a Fort Worth police report.

The police in Seattle, where Mr. Alexis once lived, said Monday that they had arrested him in 2004 for shooting the tires of another man’s vehicle in what Mr. Alexis later described to detectives as an anger-fueled “blackout.” [/URL]

In this case, the closest definition to what "better" should be is "enforced". One would think there would already be plenty of background checks for a civilian contractor for the Navy anyways, but obviously there was a breakdown there...... But I'm sure giantone meant "more restrictions on everybody else even though it wouldn't have prevented this shooting (never fail to exploit a tragedy)".[/quote]

How can a guy legally buy a gun who's been convicted of discharging a gun in an anger-fueled blackout? Hello, whats wrong with this picture?

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[quote=Giantone;1026650]I didn't realize that when they do that kind of "background check"(employment) they see if you own a gun or guns ,wow, you are smart .[/quote]Another logical fail on your part, giantone. Seeing how he passed the background checks to work there, what makes you think the gun background check similarly enforced would have stopped him?

Why don't we work on not clearing / disarming people proven to be demonstrably crazy, before trying to disarm everybody else?

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[quote=Chico23231;1026653]How can a guy legally buy a gun who's been convicted of discharging a gun in an anger-fueled blackout? Hello, whats wrong with this picture?[/quote]Sadly, who says he bought it legally? Or had them prior to the aforementioned incidents and was allowed to keep them?

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[quote=Chico23231;1026653]How can a guy legally buy a gun who's been [B]convicted[/B] of discharging a gun in an anger-fueled blackout? Hello, whats wrong with this picture?[/quote]


I don't think he was ever convicted. Just charged.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1026671]Sadly, who says he bought it legally? Or had them prior to the aforementioned incidents and was allowed to keep them?[/quote]

he bought the gun legally in Va

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He was arrested twice for firing a gun. Once shooting out a persons tire and the second for firing a gun of into the apartment above him. Both time the charges were dropped if he had been convicted he could not have legally purchased another gun.

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[quote=Giantone;1026649]"like at Gun shows were there are none "[/quote]

You do know that back ground checks are done at gun shows.