Re: Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1085437]I have been camping since Friday and just getting into town and getting caught up
Just seeing some of the replays and hearing about what transpired
I thought the hit by Baker on Nick was a cheap shot, maybe it was a legal play but it was still a cheap shot and I'd be pissed if Philly did that to our quarterback
Heard cousins looked really good except for the last two drives he shit the pot
We were only in the game because of his outstanding play but he definitely could have played better at the end
We should've definitely at least got a field goal out of that last drive to tie it
Very encouraged by the cousins play but the injuries are killing us,we have to beat the giants[/quote]

I thought the hit on Foles was not as cheap as the hit that DJax took on his injured shoulder earlier in the game. Luckily it was flagged, but they were obviously targeting his injured shoulder.

If QBs are protected after an INT, then they should not be allowed to tackle the ball carrier.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1085462]I thought the hit on Foles was [B]not as cheap as the hit that DJax took on his injured shoulder earlier in the game. [/B] Luckily it was flagged, but they were obviously targeting his injured shoulder.

If QBs are protected after an INT, then they should not be allowed to tackle the ball carrier.[/quote]

Although I thought that DJax reacted poorly, I could not blame him for being upset. It was transparent that he took a cheap shot directed against his hurt shoulder.

Personally, I thought the Eagle (Jenkins) should have been ejected from the game for headhunting.

Re: Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1085462]I thought the hit on Foles was not as cheap as the hit that DJax took on his injured shoulder earlier in the game. Luckily it was flagged, but they were obviously targeting his injured shoulder.

[B]If QBs are protected after an INT, then they should not be allowed to tackle the ball carrier.[/B][/quote]

yeah, they have to do something about that. a QB cant be protected but still eligible to make a tackle.

Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless
posture.
[B](a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [/B]
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 73(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to
protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or
warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
(3) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped;
(4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;
(5) A player on the ground at the end of a play;
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;
[B](7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession,[/B] and
(8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and
approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or
shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless
player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of
the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.
Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a
conventional tackle on an opponent.
Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is
judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf[/url]

above is complete rule on Player Conduct (blocking, tackling, personal fouls etc.)

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/nick-foles-hit-ejection-2014-9]Why The Hit On Nick Foles Is Absolutely A Dirty Play - Business Insider[/url]

above is a decent write up of the play

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the question comes down to "was baker's contact unnecessary"? foles was within 5 yards of an active play, the play was live and he was moving toward engaging the play. baker hit him in the front and below his neck area.

i still think it is PF every time just bc of the culture of protecting QBs. even if you are technically within the rules, the interpretation will always be to protect the QB. every single time.

Re: Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1085441]Well, going by this standard, RG3 is done. He hasn't been consistent, except getting injured. And he hasn't been a winner except with the Shanahans back in 2012.[/quote]

I meant drop back QBs. Griffin won the division. Griffin carried the team to a Division title on his back. Cousins beat Cleveland.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1085468]I meant drop back QBs. Shanahans' won the division.Shanahans' carried the team to a Division title on his back. Cousins beat Cleveland.[/quote]

sorry i couldnt resist. the shanahans dont get nearly as much credit for 2012 as they should. in 2012 this fan base was enshrining them into the skins HOF and now, after some drama from all parties involved, history has been re-written to where they are a mere footnote in the history books re 2012.

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Rg3 sacrificed for the team his knee. Fans scoff at that. I don't get it.

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Please tell me who is "scoffing" at RGIII blowing out his knee while trying to win. Is it just some amorphous "they" who are doing this scoffing? Are you asserting someone on this board is "scoffing"? Do you know what "to scoff" means?

Oh wait ... it's [I]you[/I] G84C - facts, definitions and rationality don't apply. Sorry. Move along everyone.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1085470]Rg3 sacrificed for the team his knee. Fans scoff at that. I don't get it.[/quote]

your right. i shouldnt scoff at that. I love RG3. my defense of the shannys shouldnt diminish what RG3 did for us and will do for us in the future. but i did do that here and your right, that isnt right. credit goes to both of them equally imo for 2012.

edit - joe just saw your reply, i changed his post from RG3 to shannys so, in that particular instance, i did do some implied scoffing. im a scoffer.

Re: Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1085471]Please tell me who is "scoffing" at RGIII blowing out his knee while trying to win. Is it just some amorphous "they" who are doing this scoffing? Are you asserting someone on this board is "scoffing"? Do you know what "to scoff" means?

Oh wait ... it's [I]you[/I] G84C - facts, definitions and rationality don't apply. Sorry. Move along everyone.[/quote]
Hailgreen28

Re: Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1085471]Please tell me who is "scoffing" at RGIII blowing out his knee while trying to win. Is it just some amorphous "they" who are doing this scoffing? Are you asserting someone on this board is "scoffing"? Do you know what "to scoff" means?



Oh wait ... it's [I]you[/I] G84C - facts, definitions and rationality don't apply. Sorry. Move along everyone.[/QUOTE]


Amen

Re: Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game
 

Maybe Cousins does not have the hunger to win?

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[quote=punch it in;1085474]Amen[/quote]

Why should a fan be rational on a fan site?

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[quote=over the mountain;1085467]yeah, they have to do something about that. a QB cant be protected but still eligible to make a tackle.

Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless
posture.
[B](a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [/B]
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 73(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to
protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or
warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
(3) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped;
(4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;
(5) A player on the ground at the end of a play;
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;
[B](7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession,[/B] and
(8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and
approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or
shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless
player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of
the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.
Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a
conventional tackle on an opponent.
Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is
judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf[/url]

above is complete rule on Player Conduct (blocking, tackling, personal fouls etc.)

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/nick-foles-hit-ejection-2014-9]Why The Hit On Nick Foles Is Absolutely A Dirty Play - Business Insider[/url]

above is a decent write up of the play

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the question comes down to "was baker's contact unnecessary"? foles was within 5 yards of an active play, the play was live and he was moving toward engaging the play. baker hit him in the front and below his neck area.

i still think it is PF every time just bc of the culture of protecting QBs. even if you are technically within the rules, the interpretation will always be to protect the QB. every single time.[/quote]

I think it should've been called a PF, but Baker should have been ejected. I feel the only reason he was ejected was because of Peter.

If the NFL wants to protect QBs, then they should amend this rule to prevent QBs from tackling a ball carrier. Otherwise, QBs should be treated just like any other player.

Re: Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1085471]Please tell me who is "scoffing" at RGIII blowing out his knee while trying to win. Is it just some amorphous "they" who are doing this scoffing? Are you asserting someone on this board is "scoffing"? Do you know what "to scoff" means?

Oh wait ... it's [I]you[/I] G84C - facts, definitions and rationality don't apply. Sorry. Move along everyone.[/quote]

This is football not rocket science.

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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1085476]Why should a fan be rational on a fan site?[/QUOTE]


They should. Problem is that "fans scoff at RG-3 sacrificing his knee for the team", aint rational.
If you want to say that fans scoff at Shanny for leaving him in the game than have at it. Though Im not sure why we would possibly be going there two years later. If any "fan" ever scoffed at RG-3 for doing so than they are not a fan...they are an idiot.