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[quote=punch it in;1106804]So is he top five all time as you have said a couple times or is he just lucky and Would be nothing without his kicker? Lmao. Ive never seen anybody try to argue two sides of an argument in my life like you have over the last few pages of this thread. Lol. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP IT MAN - HE IS GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT. [B]If not for him the Pats wouldnt have won a single god damn superbowl[/B].[/quote]

I think you miss the point entirely. I play devils advocate when you gush over Tommy boy and point out that Tom would be nothing without his teammates. The same is true for the likes of Vinateri and the rest of the team. They wouldn't be as successful as they are with him. I happen to think that the earlier Patriots teams didn't need him as much as they do now. I don't know why I even bother responding to your ludicrous notions because they sound like most other short sighted fanboy out there. Joe Montana had help. Tom Brady had help. Peyton Manning had help. All three of these guys are in the top 5 and none of them would be who they are without their team. I'm not here to argue two sides of the coin, just to refute the crap you guys spew.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1106802][B]Thing is, Tom didn't play very good the first two Super Bowls. I think he played like dog shit if I'm correct.[/B] (70-80 QBR) Those years in early 2000s were good to win with or without Tom. In fact, Drew Bledsoe had to get the win in Pittsburgh that year for them to even go to the Super Bowl.

Also, I"m going to compile the numbers and show you guys how good some of those defenses were early on. Those teams weren't flashy nor did they put a bunch of points, but they rode the defense, got turnovers, let Brady manage the game and finish it off with Vinateri's foot.[/quote]

What? Dude you're out of your mind. You're trying too hard to prove your point. In the 2nd SB he had 350 yards and 3 TD's. He hit Deion Brach numerous times with pinpoint throws.

The first SB he was average cause at that point of his career he was an average player. He's made himself into a great player the following years.

How many QB's throw the ball 50 + times and win the game? You have to realize that a coaching staff has to have a tremendous amount of trust in your QB to run an offense like that. Brady is one of the very few QB's that has that kind of trust because he's earned it.

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I thought a good option for them at the goaline would have been a read option/pass.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1106735]LOL.





No. Brady didn't stop the Seahawks on the goal line or this wouldn't even be in the discussion. If anything, these teams seem to gift wrap these types of games up for Tom. Wilson actually outplayed Brady that game. How about you give the Patriots defense some props. Hell, if the Seahawks run beastmode on that last play, you guys aren't even having this conversation. You would be talking about how Wilson outplayed Tom and the 2 INTs.[/QUOTE]


NC - this is how u broke into the convo last nite. Donofriose said Brady was top two with Montana and proved how great he was.
Your response above. You started with LOL. You say the games are gift wrapped for Tom. Nobody said that Brady won all by himself as you seem so hellbent on proving us "idiots" did. You in fact bluntly took credit away from Brady and state that he actually has NOTHING to do with it. Im not putting words in your mouth - giftwrapped the game for him - in other words - handed it to him on a silver platter. He threw 50 effing passes - completed 37? I think? - was 8-8 on the gamewinning drive! Nobody is saying he did it all. You are in fact coming across as he did nothing.

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I do find it funny the Pats were seconds away from losing this game, probably should have lost, then a miracle play happens and all of a sudden everyone is gushing about Brady as if he picked off the pass. He played a great game don't get me wrong, but the game was out of his hands at that point. We could very easily be sitting here talking about his 3rd straight SB loss.

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[quote=donofriose;1106805]1st one I would say they needed an Eli Manning type of QB. One who just needs to be clutch. I'll give you the first one that they didn't need elite play for that super bowl. They still needed a clutch QB but not an elite QB

Second one is definitely not true. They almost gave up 400 yards of offense and kept giving up big play after big play. They needed 32 points to win the game. Tom Brady had to throw the ball almost 50 times for 350 yards and 3 touchdowns.[/quote]

You are correct. Maybe it was one of the other games leading up to the SB I was thinking about where he played like dog shit. I just know he's had some bad games and still got wins. I find it interesting looking at past and current QB ratings for the post-season.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm]NFL Career Playoffs Passer Rating Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1106831]I do find it funny the Pats were seconds away from losing this game, probably should have lost, then a miracle play happens and all of a sudden everyone is gushing about Brady as if he picked off the pass. He played a great game don't get me wrong, but the game was out of his hands at that point. We could very easily be sitting here talking about his 3rd straight SB loss.[/QUOTE]


What about the fact that if not for a "miracle play " going in seattles favor than Brady drives down the field against a superb defense on the biggest stage to win his fourth superbowl? If you are going to bring up the INT than bring up the catch as well that put them down there at the goalline to begin with.
Brady deserves gushing. No shame in it. Dudes a rock star. People hate him. Oh well. Their run game did not exist. He picked apart what some consider one of the best pass d's of all time on the biggest stage. If gushing at that is wrong than i dont wanna be rite.
Edit: that catch by Seattle was a miracle. Ball bounced around in miraculous fashion. The INT was a freakin great read and play not a miracle at all as a matter of fact.

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[quote=Mattyk;1106831]I do find it funny the Pats were seconds away from losing this game, probably should have lost, then a miracle play happens and all of a sudden everyone is gushing about Brady as if he picked off the pass. He played a great game don't get me wrong, but the game was out of his hands at that point. We could very easily be sitting here talking about his 3rd straight SB loss.[/quote]

It wouldn't have mattered if he'd won or lost. How many QB get to 6 SB's? None.

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There's so much more to these games than who's under center.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1106836]There's so much more to these games than who's under center.[/QUOTE]


Nobody is doubting that. People or i should say a person is doubting that a who was under center for the Pats had little to do with it. It was giftwrapped for him? 37-50 for 300+ and 4 TD's - 57 rushing yards - no run support at all basically ! Against that secondary? To say that is giftwrapped for Brady is just nonsense. He was the MVP and he deserved it 110%!

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[quote=punch it in;1106834]What about the fact that if not for a "miracle play " going in seattles favor than Brady drives down the field against a superb defense on the biggest stage to win his fourth superbowl? If you are going to bring up the INT than bring up the catch as well that put them down there at the goalline to begin with.
Brady deserves gushing. No shame in it. Dudes a rock star. People hate him. Oh well. [B]Their run game did not exist[/B]. He picked apart what some consider one of the best pass d's of all time on the biggest stage. If gushing at that is wrong than i dont wanna be rite.
Edit: that catch by Seattle was a miracle. Ball bounced around in miraculous fashion. The INT was a freakin great read and play not a miracle at all as a matter of fact.[/quote]

To me that's what gets overlooked. He's proven it over and over that he can carry the offense w/out any kind of run game... against a great defense. How many QB's in the NFL can do that? Not very many.

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quinn had no answer for the Pats scheme of clearing out space, isolating sherman and using vereen/edelman to leak out of the back and into the previously cleared out open area.

really surprised they seahawks stayed in that soft shell D.

it wasnt like the Pats were trying new stuff. it was the same offensive play calling as the ravens and colts.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1106838]To me that's what gets overlooked. He's proven it over and over that he can carry the offense w/out any kind of run game... against a great defense. How many QB's in the NFL can do that? Not very many.[/quote]

a good bit of talking heads are saying the pats short pass timing offense is like a run game - control clock and take 3-7 yards at a time.

seems like straight west coast offense to me, just run at a much more efficient level.

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[quote=punch it in;1106837]Nobody is doubting that. People or i should say a person is doubting that a who was under center for the Pats had little to do with it. It was giftwrapped for him? 37-50 for 300+ and 4 TD's - 57 rushing yards - no run support at all basically ! Against that secondary? To say that is giftwrapped for Brady is just nonsense. He was the MVP and he deserved it 110%![/quote]

Ignore the nonsense. Brady is great no doubt. Shame though that 95% of the conversation today is focused on him though.

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Gotta say Seattle has no class.

That Doug Baldwin celebration

The brawl after the turnover

Sherman calling out revis

Pete Carroll laughing on the sidelines when things were going good.


Really no class on a major stage