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[quote=Chico23231;1291447]Agree, Collins need to go after the season. He seems like a peg in a square hole defense. Ron has constantly said we need position flexibility especially in the secondary. Collins seems to be the most expensive, least flexible position on the team.

He is not a fit here[/quote]

It is frustrating. Especially after hearing about how the coaching staff wanted to use him in the hybrid format in the offseason. I liked the idea of him replacing a linebacker in pass coverage. We have yet to see it manifest.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1291572]It is frustrating. Especially after hearing about how the coaching staff wanted to use him in the hybrid format in the offseason. I liked the idea of him replacing a linebacker in pass coverage. We have yet to see it manifest.[/quote]

The obvious question to me no one is asking…is he the guy causing the problems in the secondary right now?

Seems like the secondary wasn’t having these problems last year

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[quote=Chico23231;1291574]The obvious question to me no one is asking…is he the guy causing the problems in the secondary right now?

Seems like the secondary wasn’t having these problems last year[/quote]

Well there are two new CBs in the there this year, one of whom is a rookie and the other being asked to modify the way he plays. But I think it is also not a coincidence that things tightened up last year after he got injured, when Kurl became the full time SS.

Bostic is the obvious sore thumb here, question is how many other guys are not paying full attention to their responsibility to keep pan eye on Bostic. If you look at the blown play the TE blew past Bostic and Collins came down to cover him. It has been a point of emphasis from the coaches about taking care of your job and not always trying to be the guy who makes the play. I think too many guys may be pressing too hard to make plays, Chase Young in particular, and the whole scheme falls apart when that happens

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I think the secondary is probably still figuring out how to play together. There's four dudes taking significant snaps who weren't here either all of last year, or most of last year - Collins, WJ3, St-Juste, and McCain. I gotta believe things will improve as they log more time together.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1291575]Well there are two new CBs in the there this year, one of whom is a rookie and the other being asked to modify the way he plays. But I think it is also not a coincidence that things tightened up last year after he got injured, when Kurl became the full time SS.

Bostic is the obvious sore thumb here, question is how many other guys are not paying full attention to their responsibility to keep pan eye on Bostic. If you look at the blown play the TE blew past Bostic and Collins came down to cover him. It has been a point of emphasis from the coaches about taking care of your job and not always trying to be the guy who makes the play. I think too many guys may be pressing too hard to make plays, Chase Young in particular, and the who scheme falls apart when that happens[/quote]

Good points…yeah, i thought last year when Collins left the field the play in the secondary improved.

Ron’s love of Bostic is hurting this team

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Didnt want to post my negative thoughts the day after a victory but ..
man we got lucky af.

Heinike's best throw I thought was that big play wheel route to McKissic. Perfectly placed ball. He didnt have to make a read on that play as it was his one and only option.

But I do think Turner is limiting the play book for him, catering to the throws he can make and making his reads simple. For this offense to work, Turner needs to call plays where Heinike can watch and see if his receiver wins before he has to throw the ball. Crosses, digs, screens, there are some outs and those scare me as Heinike's arm is a little soft. A corner sitting on an out can read, react and step in front of it .. jump it.

Hes not being asked to throw before a receiver makes his break, putting the ball on time and to a space.

This is the same "training wheels" QB play calling weve seen for the past few years as we play the QB shuffle.

I really wanted to see Turner be able to use his entire playbook so we can judge him accurately.

Still plenty of season left .. but this playcalling walks on a razor thin line. if the first read isnt open? Heinike has to tuck and run. Teams should start to key in on our predictable play calling.

Last year teams only had to defend the first 20 yards from the LOS. This year ... looks like we are going to fall into the same pattern. Recipe for .500 ball at best imo.

Still plenty of time .. I hope Heinike can start throwing the entire route tree and more complicated passing concepts ... but I imagine hes an IR waiting to happen.

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@Wash_PR

Fact Friday: In three starts as an NFL quarterback (including postseason), Taylor Heinicke has completed 93 passes. That’s the most completions by any QB over their first three career starts in NFL history.

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[quote=MTK;1291579]@Wash_PR

Fact Friday: In three starts as an NFL quarterback (including postseason), Taylor Heinicke has completed 93 passes. That’s the most completions by any QB over their first three career starts in NFL history.[/quote]

That's crazy.

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[quote=MTK;1291579]@Wash_PR

Fact Friday: In three starts as an NFL quarterback (including postseason), Taylor Heinicke has completed 93 passes. That’s the most completions by any QB over their first three career starts in NFL history.[/quote]

He’s just a fuckin gamer. I thought his play against the giants really solidified him as a guy who can get it done.

He came up short against Tampa, but lead the team and was the difference maker his next start.

Great story and big test this coming weekend

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[quote=Chico23231;1291581]He’s just a fuckin gamer. I thought his play against the giants really solidified him as a guy who can get it done.

He came up short against Tampa, but lead the team and was the difference maker his next start.

Great story and big test this coming weekend[/quote]

Yeah he's starting to win me over, no doubt he can play. Health is the big question and we'll probably keep saying that until he goes a long stretch without getting knocked out of a game.

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[quote=MTK;1291579]@Wash_PR

Fact Friday: In three starts as an NFL quarterback (including postseason), Taylor Heinicke has completed 93 passes. That’s the most completions by any QB over their first three career starts in NFL history.[/quote]

NICE!

On a similar note, remember when Justin Fields played a few quarters of good pre season football and the media was craving a bust for him in Canton all ready. He sure looked underwhelming against a poor Cincy team yesterday.

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[quote=SunnySide;1291578]Didnt want to post my negative thoughts the day after a victory but ..
man we got lucky af.

Heinike's best throw I thought was that big play wheel route to McKissic. Perfectly placed ball. He didnt have to make a read on that play as it was his one and only option.

But I do think Turner is limiting the play book for him, catering to the throws he can make and making his reads simple. For this offense to work, Turner needs to call plays where Heinike can watch and see if his receiver wins before he has to throw the ball. Crosses, digs, screens, there are some outs and those scare me as Heinike's arm is a little soft. A corner sitting on an out can read, react and step in front of it .. jump it.

Hes not being asked to throw before a receiver makes his break, putting the ball on time and to a space.

This is the same "training wheels" QB play calling weve seen for the past few years as we play the QB shuffle.

I really wanted to see Turner be able to use his entire playbook so we can judge him accurately.

Still plenty of season left .. but this playcalling walks on a razor thin line. if the first read isnt open? Heinike has to tuck and run. Teams should start to key in on our predictable play calling.

Last year teams only had to defend the first 20 yards from the LOS. This year ... looks like we are going to fall into the same pattern. Recipe for .500 ball at best imo.

Still plenty of time .. I hope Heinike can start throwing the entire route tree and more complicated passing concepts ... but I imagine hes an IR waiting to happen.[/quote]

I was reading Kiem's review of the game on Friday. He was commenting on the number of passes TH makes short of the sticks. I am basically reading it as get the ball quickly to F1, Gibson. Thomas and have them make the plays to extend the drive. It does sound like training wheels to me. Obviously with more reps we should be able to see the playbook open.

I also read in the Kiem article the TD run by McKissic was a check out by TH. It was supposed to be a pass. That is a good sign in his reading the D.

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[quote=MTK;1291582]Yeah he's starting to win me over, no doubt he can play. Health is the big question and we'll probably keep saying that until he goes a long stretch without getting knocked out of a game.[/quote]

Same here. I hope Scott Turner gets a bit more creative and finds a way to get the running game going. As I've been saying ad nauseum we have way too much talent at RB to have effing Danny Jones out rush our team. Part of keeping Heinecke healthy will be to not ask him to throw it 40+ times a game.

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I hope the Bills game this year is our 2020 Steelers game ; a win completely unexpected football wide, even by most WFT fans.

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[quote=Chico23231;1291581]He’s just a fuckin gamer. I thought his play against the giants really solidified him as a guy who can get it done.

He came up short against Tampa, but lead the team and was the difference maker his next start.

Great story and big test this coming weekend[/quote]

i really liked what i saw out of reeves ..... i wish they would move collins all together to LB -- also realized i quoted the wrong post - meant the one about 'hey is he whats wrong with the 2ndary'