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i thought coaching was on point today. 2:30 mins to go, down by 7, we marched down the field for the potential game tying td. thats coaching and good qb play.

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[quote=over the mountain;768009]i thought coaching was on point today. 2:30 mins to go, down by 7, we marched down the field for the potential game tying td. thats coaching and good qb play.[/quote]

Umm, remember the end of the 1st Half? We didn't get the damn play in despite calling a timeout. We also let the clock run all the way down.

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[quote=skinsnut;767641]total dominance...4 times 1st and goal and 1 TD...and that took 4 downs...but I can understand as we dont have that much experience down there.
I thought we had 2-3 rock solid TE's....and a RB that ran for 100 in a quarter?
[B]This is the kind of game that Zorn would lose...if we lose this...talk about rings if you will...it means we've made little progress from Zorn[/B]...At least Gibbs would have 14 on the board by now...if not 21[/quote]

Regarding the question if we are better than Zorn....see my halftime comment above

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i like what our coaching staff brings to the table. another offseason of adding more pieces and things are going to start looking good, we finally have competent coaches who can outcoach other teams.

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[quote=over the mountain;768013]i like what our coaching staff brings to the table. another offseason of adding more pieces and things are going to start looking good, [B]we finally have competent coaches who can outcoach other teams.[/quote][/B]

Really? I haven't see Haslett out coach anyone.

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[quote=12thMan;768005]I know it's going to come up, through this time last year Jason Campbell is having a better season than DM5 through 13 games this year.[/quote]

I've seen a couple of Oakland games and to be honest the coaching staff isn't really asking much from JC. He's not asked to do much. He throws a lot of screen and short passes. Their offense is totally based around their run game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;768015][/B]

Really? I haven't see Haslett out coach anyone.[/quote]

One of the best statements I've seen and I couldn't agree more.

I'd say the biggest disappointment this year is Haslett.
You could argue McNabb or Shanny's but Haslett has made the greatest strength of the team its greatest weakness...that actually takes effort on his part to achieve such a feat

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God hates us

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we are such a laughing stock. to be honest when bad shit happens to our team im not even surprised. fumbled squib kick by wilson, wasnt surprised. missed pat, not surprised. missed field goals, not surprised. we are such a joke and an embarrassment. the moment we missed those 2 easy field goals i knew that would come back to kill us in the end. a team like us cant afford to give away points like that, we will lose in the end 99% of the time when that happens.

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[quote=over the mountain;768013]i like what our coaching staff brings to the table. another offseason of adding more pieces and things are going to start looking good, we finally have competent coaches who can outcoach other teams.[/quote]

You mean coaches who somehow can't hammer the upfield guys on the kick return to protect the ball at all costs?

Or an OC that neglects Chris Cooley almost all game.

And Haslett adjusts way too late. Last week, the Giants attacked Buchanon again and again unpunished for a good deal of the first half. By the time we dealt with that, the hole was already pretty deep.

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[quote=skinsfan69;768016]I've seen a couple of Oakland games and to be honest the coaching staff isn't really asking much from JC. He's not asked to do much. He throws a lot of screen and short passes. Their offense is totally based around their run game.[/quote]
I watched the last few minutes of that game today. It looked like SOS to me...........Same Jason, Different team

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Hey Redskins nation, R U in now? Me, I checked out 3 games ago. F this team! A bunch of over-hyped, half-ass quiters who don't deserve the burgundy and gold uniforms that they wear! F Dan Snyder too and his media machine for getting us fans excited season after season only to be extremely disappointed season after season! I hope there is no football next year, so I want have to see patheticness on display. Oh yeah, F this team!

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patience. we knew this year we would have growing pains. imo things are coming together but it will take another offseason or two. we are in good hands, a complete turnover doesnt happen overnight.

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[quote=over the mountain;768013]i like what our coaching staff brings to the table. another offseason of adding more pieces and things are going to start looking good, we finally have competent coaches who can outcoach other teams.[/quote]Have to disagree.

- How many rushing yards did we have in the second half?
Answer: 14.
- How many three & out drives did we have in the second half?
Answer: Three.
- How many three & outs for the Bucs in the second half?
Answer: One. The Bucs had 5 possessions in the 2nd half, scored on three, made a mistake at the GL, and the single 3 & out.

The Bucs made halftime adjustments on offense and defense. Our coaching staff did nothing or made crappy adjustments. After the first drive of the second half when the Bucs changed how they defended the run, KS went away from it....after we dominated the first half running. We ran for 174 in the first half and 14 in the second half.

Our D gave up three points in the first half and fourteen in the second. Granted they were hindered by our poor offensive performance in the second half....as they have been all year....but still the Bucs made adjustments, we didn't, and here we are at 5-8.

The coaching staff is as much to blame this season as the players. The sad thing is I don't have any optimism looking towards next year either.

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[quote=Hog1;768024]I watched the last few minutes of that game today. It looked like SOS to me...........Same Jason, Different team[/quote]Agreed 100%. Just like his time here, the coaching staff keeps the offensive gameplan within JC's capabilities. His numbers will look OK, like Mcnabb's today, but the reality is he has the exact same limitations he had here.

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JC has had a couple really good games this yr folks

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;767977]Way to bash our best player in Torain. Why the **** are you using his work status last year when he actually played well today?[/quote]

what i am saying is.........we do not have an established running game......is that false!? we have had to sign someone from our practice squad... BC last time I checked before this game we could not run anywhere!!!
ATV has earned his money for sure and I am content with him as our starting RB next season.

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[quote=over the mountain;768027]patience. we knew this year we would have growing pains. imo things are coming together but it will take another offseason or two. we are in good hands, a complete turnover doesnt happen overnight.[/quote]

Totally disagree, OTM. First of all, if the Bucs didn't have a bad case of Carlos Rogers, the Redskins would have gotten hammered today! Hammered.

I am so god damned tired of some of you guys talking about patience, when this clown coaching us this year is no better than the clown we had last year. I'm sorry, but at $7 million per year Mike Shanahan is the most overrated over paid, over hyped coach in the NFL this year. It's one thing to be wildly optimistic tempered with some patience, it's another to have glaring deficiencies and flaws week in and week out. That's not a patience issue, that's a competence issue.

The personnel decisions have been questionable, the play calling and clock management has been suspect, and Shanny continues to feed us BS at every presser. I'm just not convinced that the talent level between mos NFL rosters, ours included, is that great.

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please name one coach who was fired/ stayed out a year/ took over a new team and got to the playoffs the first year as HC!?

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[quote=tc2deuce;768034]please name one coach who was fired/ stayed out a year/ took over a new team and got to the playoffs the first year as HC!?[/quote]

We're just asking them to play good fundamental football and "gel" as the season progresses. They have done neither. This team has not "gelled" and actually seems more disjointed now than they were earlier in the season.

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And so begin the Gruden rumors...

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our team was a mess last year and shanny has to play with these bums...like D.HAll said.."we do not have the personnel"
with the team we have we beat 3 potential playoff teams.
I am pissed...trust me!
but I just look at the roster and all the changes done since last season and say that 5-8 makes sense. I am with you when it comes to the OC....when you have your RB run for 174 you better open up the passing attack and use what you have...cooley/davis!

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[quote=12thMan;768032]Totally disagree, OTM. First of all, if the Bucs didn't have a bad case of Carlos Rogers, the Redskins would have gotten hammered today! Hammered.

I am so god damned tired of some of you guys talking about patience, when this clown coaching us this year is no better than the clown we had last year. I'm sorry, but at $7 million per year Mike Shanahan is the most overrated over paid, over hyped coach in the NFL this year. It's one thing to be wildly optimistic tempered with some patience, it's another to have glaring deficiencies and flaws week in and week out. That's not a patience issue, that's a competence issue.

The personnel decisions have been questionable, the play calling and clock management has been suspect, and Shanny continues to feed us BS at every presser. I'm just not convinced that the talent level between mos NFL rosters, ours included, is that great.[/quote]

Didn't the Skins miss two field goals and drop a couple of interceptions?

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earlier in the season we wouldnt have been able to have a successful 2 min drill touchdown. i cant remember the last time we had a 2 min drill td to be honest.

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I feel sorry for the season ticket holders, and the schmucks who go out and plop down stacks of hundred dollar bills to yell support, and cheer for these sorry sacks of shit football players. F this team!

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[quote=SmootSmack;768039]Didn't the Skins miss two field goals and drop a couple of interceptions?[/quote]

This is the part that bothers me the most... It seems like we can say this every single week. It would be one thing if it was a, "Oh! We just need another draft or another FA class." It just doesn't seem like the case. It just scares the crap outta' me that no matter who is here, who is GM, who is coach, what defense we run, who we play... the results just seem to be the same no matter what. :(

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Special teams today...2 missed field goals, 1 missed extra point, fumble on kickoff. Ouch, Danny Smith might have to go. Special teams cost us the game today folks. Plain and simple

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let Bruce Allen work he has only been our GM for less than one year!
Vinny was the idiot........Snyder needs to go but we can't fire the owner!

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Not sure why evryone is so pissed I thought the ending was just perfect and got a good laugh.

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[quote=over the mountain;768040]earlier in the season we wouldnt have been able to have a successful 2 min drill touchdown. i cant remember the last time we had a 2 min drill td to be honest.[/quote]

So, just because we completed a two-minute drill, everything is excused? The two-minute drill is usually the QB alone calling the shots since there's no time for the HC to be picking plays and making the offense wait. Besides, Tampa is not exactly a world-beating defense and the Tampa 2 is usually soft against the short plays when it's late game because the aim of the defense is kill as much clock as possibly.

And good coaches manage the clock well. The end of the first half was a completely embarrassing sequence.

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When did OTM say everything is excused?

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[quote=tc2deuce;768038]our team was a mess last year and shanny has to play with these bums...like D.HAll said.."we do not have the personnel"
with the team we have we beat 3 potential playoff teams.
I am pissed...trust me!
but I just look at the roster and all the changes done since last season and say that 5-8 makes sense. I am with you when it comes to the OC....when you have your RB run for 174 you better open up the passing attack and use what you have...cooley/davis![/quote]The coaching staff decided to make the change to the 3-4, which we absolutely do not have the personnel to run. Had we stayed in a 4-3 our D would likely be improved, not regressed.

The Zone blocking run scheme, KS's questionable playcalling, the personnel decisions on the OL, the mis-use (non-use) of creative 2TE sets, the list goes on. These are strictly coaching issues.

What great personnel decisions have been made? J. Brown has been inconsistent (to put it kindly), Rabach is still our strating C, I find it hard to believe Dock (our most consistent lineman last year) suddenly sucks and is demoted. Kemo? Carriker? These are all stop-gap measures....and in the meantime we've traded away 3rd - 4th rounders for 2011. We've found a couple of RBs, but outside of that I think we have more needs going into this off-season than we had last year.

and Hall makes some plays but also has his share of liabilities.

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chemistry is a huge part of football (ex. steelers) this team still needs to mold and we (A) do not have the parts to be a well oiled machine....get the parts and let the chemistry take place.

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it does not matter who you get to coach this team
WE HAVE OLD AND BAD players!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;768059]The coaching staff decided to make the change to the 3-4, which we absolutely do not have the personnel to run. Had we stayed in a 4-3 our D would likely be improved, not regressed.

The Zone blocking run scheme, KS's questionable playcalling, the personnel decisions on the OL, the mis-use (non-use) of creative 2TE sets, the list goes on. These are strictly coaching issues.

What great personnel decisions have been made? J. Brown has been inconsistent (to put it kindly), Rabach is still our strating C, I find it hard to believe Dock (our most consistent lineman last year) suddenly sucks and is demoted. Kemo? Carriker? These are all stop-gap measures....and in the meantime we've traded away 3rd - 4th rounders for 2011. We've found a couple of RBs, but outside of that I think we have more needs going into this off-season than we had last year.

and Hall makes some plays but also has his share of liabilities.[/quote]

very true, sometimes it's said to be a skins fan. this year has been really hard, this is the first time i have ever missed a home game in atleast 7 years and i missed two, we lost both(colts and bucs). and i didn't even watch a minute of the lions game(out of the country). it's a season like this that makes you evaluate how you spend you sundays and your extra cash. i love the skins and alwasy will, but until the team starts showing alot more signs of progress i will continue to be less and less vested in each game. i know we will get better eventually it's just said that this franchise has such a hard fall from the top, or not even the top but relevance in the nfl year in and year out. hopefully the shanahan's are the right ones for the job, i feel very comfortable with bruce allen as the gm and think he will be a great fixture for this team, i just don't think the shanahans will pan out, but i really hope i am wrong. only time will tell.

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[quote=Chico23231;768044]Special teams today...2 missed field goals, 1 missed extra point, fumble on kickoff. Ouch, Danny Smith might have to go. [B]Special teams cost us the game today folks. Plain and simple[/B][/quote]

How about the offense not getting the ball in the endzone? How about all of the 3 & outs in the second half?

Also, did anybody else notice the furious intensity with which the offense was able to execute the 2 minute drill? Why can't they match that intensity earlier, say, in the 3rd quarter, or -- all game long like other teams? Why not just out of the blue in the middle of the game run the no-huddle?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;768043]This is the part that bothers me the most... It seems like we can say this every single week. It would be one thing if it was a, "Oh! We just need another draft or another FA class." It just doesn't seem like the case. It just scares the crap outta' me that no matter who is here, who is GM, who is coach, what defense we run, who we play... the results just seem to be the same no matter what. :([/quote]


It is plain and simple, the Danny is a win now type of guy and after Gibbs left and Mr Cooke died the organization went to hell. Norv did the best he could to keep the franchise competitive, and so did Marty in his one year stint ith us, but after the decent HCs lefts, we got gimmicks(Spurrier, Gibbs II), bad experiments(Zorn), and now an overrated HC. Sorry guys, but this guy had loads of talent post Elway and never got past a divsional title after John left. The whole thing is there needs to be a plng term plan in place to build a winner. THus far, I am not tht impressed with the Allen/Shanahan regime in Redskins Park. THey can rectify that by making a lot of solid moves in the offseason that tell me they do in fact have a solid plan in building a winner here.

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[quote=tc2deuce;768062]it does not matter who you get to coach this team
WE HAVE OLD AND BAD players![/quote]

You do realize that the coach is also the personnel dude who has continued to add even more old and bad players instead of just blowing it up this year and use the year strictly for evaluation? Bruce Allen is just a figurehead GM. And don't give me the "fans would not accept a rebuild" excuse. Most Redskins fans are also Caps fans(I have apostatized, but I still know what they did to get where they are now), so there is TANGIBLE evidence to successfully sell a rebuild to the fans.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;768074]It is plain and simple, the Danny is a win now type of guy and after Gibbs left and Mr Cooke died the organization went to hell. Norv did the best he could to keep the franchise competitive, and so did Marty in his one year stint ith us, but after the decent HCs lefts, we got gimmicks(Spurrier, Gibbs II), bad experiments(Zorn), and now an overrated HC. Sorry guys, but this guy had loads of talent post Elway and never got past a divsional title after John left. The whole thing is there needs to be a plng term plan in place to build a winner. THus far, I am not tht impressed with the Allen/Shanahan regime in Redskins Park. THey can rectify that by making a lot of solid moves in the offseason that tell me they do in fact have a solid plan in building a winner here.[/quote]

It's not even that, it's almost supernatural. I cannot think of another team that just has the plain bad luck that the Redskins have. I just can't even describe it.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;768091]You do realize that the coach is also the personnel dude who has continued to add even more old and bad players instead of just blowing it up this year and use the year strictly for evaluation? Bruce Allen is just a figurehead GM. And don't give me the "fans would not accept a rebuild" excuse. Most Redskins fans are also Caps fans(I have apostatized, but I still know what they did to get where they are now), so there is TANGIBLE evidence to successfully sell a rebuild to the fans.[/quote]

The Caps simply don't matter to Washington nearly as much as the Redskibs do. Doesn't matter how many SAT words you use, you can't tell Skins fans to be patient while we rebuild. I don't believe for a seco d most fans would have the maturity to accept that