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in my opinion drafting the BPA is for good teams, or teams with few holes. right now the skins need a variety of defensive players. lets not get ahead of ourselves in forgetting how bad this defensive really was last year. our offensive could have been a little better, with the red zone issues. but for the most part were a playoff caliber unit

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[quote=Meks;1168911]I will be attending the draft this year. I'm heading home from malaysia in a week to South Kersey so we are going... A browns fan, a cheifs fan, a few Sheagles fans and myself. Will be a good time but yes it gets seemingly later every year. And one round per opening day is bothersome.[/quote]

I like to go as well but can't really figure out how the tickets work....any idea? Or do you just show up?

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Nice deal. If he wants to re-up he's gonna show last year wasn't a fluke.

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Zach-Brown-contract-details-with-Redskins-revealed-52128113]Zach Brown contract details with Redskins revealed[/url]

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[quote=Meks;1168911]I will be attending the draft this year. I'm heading home from malaysia in a week to South Kersey so we are going... A browns fan, a cheifs fan, a few Sheagles fans and myself. Will be a good time but yes it gets seemingly later every year. And one round per opening day is bothersome.[/quote]

sounds like a good time! You need to be our eyes and ears inside the building.

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[quote=dmek25;1168915]in my opinion drafting the BPA is for good teams, or teams with few holes. right now the skins need a variety of defensive players. lets not get ahead of ourselves in forgetting how bad this defensive really was last year. our offensive could have been a little better, with the red zone issues. but for the most part were a playoff caliber unit[/quote]

excellent point ! - unfortunately, it is unlikely that an elite DL will be available at #17. They could go offense in the first round, or trade down in the first. The second, third, and 2 fourths round picks should be defense.

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IMO with #17, don't be surprised with a pick in the secondary. I could see us going CB or Free Safety.

Also, I think Guard is on the radar in rounds 2, 3 or 4.

I think depending on who falls....RB is the most likely possibility at 17.

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What has happened to this board? In the past I've been excoriated for even suggesting a lean towards needs-based drafting. Now that I think we are in the clear to draft BPA, some of the same people who ripped me are now saying we shouldn't get too carried away with BPA.

We have one glaring need at NT and there isn't anyone who can play that position that I would draft that high. But that's no problem because there are numerous NT options after the first round. We'll get a good one.

If we stay at #17, there are going to be some potential NFL stars available to us as long as we stick to drafting the BPA. After Round 1, the Skins can cheat a little towards needs but I would hate to see us pass up a stud because of the position he plays.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1168923]What has happened to this board? In the past I've been excoriated for even suggesting a lean towards needs-based drafting. Now that I think we are in the clear to draft BPA, some of the same people who ripped me are now saying we shouldn't get too carried away with BPA.

We have one glaring need at NT and there isn't anyone who can play that position that I would draft that high. But that's no problem because there are numerous NT options after the first round. We'll get a good one.

If we stay at #17, there are going to be some potential NFL stars available to us as long as we stick to drafting the BPA. After Round 1, the Skins can cheat a little towards needs but I would hate to see us pass up a stud because of the position he plays.[/quote]

I agree. Unless BPA isn't as good as the player we already have at same position. If it's close between that guy and another player at a position of need who is clearly better than what we have, I'd go for need. Which is kind of what I think you were saying about the later rounds which makes my post pointless. Have a good day!

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Drafting for need to what the bad teams do. When you draft for need you reach for a guy and can end up passing on a great player. You fill need with free agents.

Case in point, look what the Texans did. They passed on Carr for a tackle. Just plain old stupid as stupid gets.

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I think you're missing my point 69. If you have 2 players who are closely rated but the one who is a little higher isn't as good as the player at that position you already have, and remember I said if they're closely rated, and the other guy fills a position you suck at, you're still gonna take the guy who's a little higher rated? If it's close I'm going for the position of need. These "experts" aren't always right anyway. Now I'm not talking about one player grading out at 94 and the other at 85. That would be reaching. If they're closely rated it's just a matter of opinion anyway.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1168928]Drafting for need to what the bad teams do. When you draft for need you reach for a guy and can end up passing on a great player. You fill need with free agents.

Case in point, look what the Texans did. They passed on Carr for a tackle. Just plain old stupid as stupid gets.[/quote]

The Texans passed on Carr because his brother was a disaster and they didn't want the PR mess.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1168928]Drafting for need to what the bad teams do. When you draft for need you reach for a guy and can end up passing on a great player. You fill need with free agents.

Case in point, look what the Texans did. They passed on Carr for a tackle. Just plain old stupid as stupid gets.[/quote]

Look at every team that reached for a QB instead of taking BPA; so many first round picks wasted on garbage QB's.

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and we took doctson as BPA. how did that work out?

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[quote=dmek25;1168942]and we took doctson as BPA. how did that work out?[/quote]

It will work out fine. I still think he was the most talented WR in last year's draft.

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I have been very happy with how the Skins have handled FA this season. Getting some young talent at positions of need without breaking the bank is how GOOD teams act in FA. Yes, there is still work to be done, but they have set themselves up to be able to get some good talent in the draft. Gotta like the direction.

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[quote=dmek25;1168942]and we took doctson as BPA. how did that work out?[/quote]

Ask that question again after this season.

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[QUOTE=53Fan;1168935]I think you're missing my point 69. If you have 2 players who are closely rated but the one who is a little higher isn't as good as the player at that position you already have, and remember I said if they're closely rated, and the other guy fills a position you suck at, you're still gonna take the guy who's a little higher rated? If it's close I'm going for the position of need. These "experts" aren't always right anyway. Now I'm not talking about one player grading out at 94 and the other at 85. That would be reaching. If they're closely rated it's just a matter of opinion anyway.[/QUOTE]



I agree. You absolutely consider need. If it were as simple as just drafting bpa all the time than anyone could do it.

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IMO you go BPA for players of the 3 positions of highest need for your team . . . so if DL, ILB and S are your teams 3 positions of greatest need you take the best player available from one of those 3 positions . . . hybrid drafting!!

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[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;1168960]IMO you go BPA for players of the 3 positions of highest need for your team . . . so if DL, ILB and S are your teams 3 positions of greatest need you take the best player available from one of those 3 positions . . . hybrid drafting!![/QUOTE]



Yes. Big fan of hybrid drafting. Only exception would be if an absolute stud falls for some no good reason. Usually there is a reason though.
Edit: I think we get caught up in the bpa vs need drafting hype though. Nobody drafts strictly bpa round after round without considering need.

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Cooley is a big fan of this move

Zach Brown is a great singing by @redskins. Pure athlete with exceptional speed. A+ quicks. Fluid hips. Good ball instincts. ++Tackler.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1168962]Cooley is a big fan of this move



Zach Brown is a great singing by @redskins. Pure athlete with exceptional speed. A+ quicks. Fluid hips. Good ball instincts. ++Tackler.[/QUOTE]



Not too old. No injury history right? If our offense can be as productive as last year than this guy is a huge piece between winning and losing close games. It is real nice to add a key piece before the draft. We need a couple more immediate impact players on D in the draft imo to get to the next level.

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I think the Steelers have done pretty good & I'm not convinced they use BPA at all.

For example, they picked Le'veon Bell as the 48th pick in the 2nd round.

Mayock & CBS (and several others) had him rated toward the bottom of the top 100.

Need should definitely enter into the equation somewhere. It's only common sense.

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I still am definitely in favor of BPA, with common sense injected. For example if you're set a a position, like I'd say we are at offensive tackle, then you rule that position out. Probably put TE in that bucket too.

But other than that I'm taking BPA. There's no other spot on the field where we couldn't use a good player.

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Possible online depth move

Per @AaronWilson: Washington working out former Chicago Bears offensive tackle John Kling, according to a source

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1168967]I still am definitely in favor of BPA, with common sense injected. For example if you're set a a position, like I'd say we are at offensive tackle, then you rule that position out. Probably put TE in that bucket too.



But other than that I'm taking BPA. There's no other spot on the field where we couldn't use a good player.[/QUOTE]



The eternal optimist in me wants to put wr in the bucket. Crowder Jdoc Reed Davis Pryor Grant "should be" good enough.

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[quote=Schneed10;1168967]I still am definitely in favor of BPA, with common sense injected. For example if you're set a a position, like I'd say we are at offensive tackle, then you rule that position out. Probably put TE in that bucket too.

But other than that I'm taking BPA. There's no other spot on the field where we couldn't use a good player.[/quote]

So they are set at TE ? not really, Reed is injury prone, Davis is old, and Paul will probably be cut. Carrier meh.... I would take one in the 4th or 5th round

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[quote=Irrefutable;1168970]So they are set at TE ? not really, Reed is injury prone, Davis is old, and Paul will probably be cut. Carrier meh.... I would take one in the 4th or 5th round[/quote]

I could get on board with that. I am generally speaking a BPA guy, with strong preference that my first rounder be someone who could get on the field a lot during his first season. So no TE in the first round for me.

By the time we get to rounds four and five, I'd look at every single position, even OT. Nsekhe won't be with us in 2018 when he becomes FA, he will probably get a starting gig.

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[quote=punch it in;1168969]The eternal optimist in me wants to put wr in the bucket. Crowder Jdoc Reed Davis Pryor Grant "should be" good enough.[/quote]

Agree. Quick has some upside too. But the only reason I'd put WR in there is it's quite possible Pryor gets huge offers next year and we lose him.

Like, if John Ross somehow fell to us in Round 2, don't ask questions just grab him. Stupid hypothetical that will never happen, I know, but just to illustrate the importance of grabbing good talent whenever you can.

I just want good players, Gruden and the staff can sort it out from there.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1168970]So they are set at TE ? not really, Reed is injury prone, Davis is old, and Paul will probably be cut. Carrier meh.... I would take one in the 4th or 5th round[/QUOTE]



Go D first three rounds unless a bpa that grades out really high falls to us. Than in the 4th you can go bpa and take less stock in need. RB, TE, O-line, WR. We gotta knock this draft outta the park is all I know. It might be 20 years before we have another capable qb.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1168972]Agree. Quick has some upside too. But the only reason I'd put WR in there is it's quite possible Pryor gets huge offers next year and we lose him.



Like, if John Ross somehow fell to us in Round 2, don't ask questions just grab him. Stupid hypothetical that will never happen, I know, but just to illustrate the importance of grabbing good talent whenever you can.



I just want good players, Gruden and the staff can sort it out from there.[/QUOTE]



Yeah I couldn't remember his name. Im starting to get excited for this draft. We lost our GM, but for some odd reason I think this draft goes down as one of our better ones. HTTR!

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[quote=Schneed10;1168971]I could get on board with that. I am generally speaking a BPA guy, with strong preference that my first rounder be someone who could get on the field a lot during his first season. So no TE in the first round for me.

By the time we get to rounds four and five, I'd look at every single position, even OT. Nsekhe won't be with us in 2018 when he becomes FA, he will probably get a starting gig.[/quote]

I would take OJ Howard in the first round. And Evan Engram in the second - Ingram could be considered a big WR or a small TE. A Great athlete.

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=127044&draftyear=2017&genpos=TE]Evan Engram | Mississippi, TE : 2017 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1168975]I would take OJ Howard in the first round. And Evan Ingram in the second - Ingram could be considered a big WR or a small TE. A Great athlete.[/QUOTE]



They may both be great players but if we don't address the defense until the third round nothing will change as far as winning and losing.

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[quote=punch it in;1168977]They may both be great players but if we don't address the defense until the third round nothing will change as far as winning and losing.[/quote]

It is unlikely a great defensive player will be available at #17. I would trade down and get an extra 2nd or 3rd. Then BPA in the late first.....RB/DL/ ILB/CB

2nd DL or S Jones NC State
3rd DL
3rd G
4th CB
4th ILB
5th RB
6th TE
6th C
7th S

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[quote=Irrefutable;1168975]I would take OJ Howard in the first round. And Evan Engram in the second - Ingram could be considered a big WR or a small TE. A Great athlete.

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=127044&draftyear=2017&genpos=TE]Evan Engram*|*Mississippi,*TE*:*2017 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url][/quote]

I don't think TE in the first round makes any sense.

Last year, we were already loaded at WR, but two were in the final years of their contract, so it was easy to see how Doctson would get the opportunity to start for the majority of his rookie contract.

But we have Reed under contract for four more seasons, and Davis was just signed for three. So if you pick a stud TE in round one, he either sits in 3rd string for the majority of his rookie deal, or it puts big money on our bench. Just doesn't make any sense.

They won't pick a TE in round one, I'll guarantee you that.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1168978]It is unlikely a great defensive player will be available at #17. I would trade down and get an extra 2nd or 3rd. Then BPA in the late first.....RB/DL/ ILB/CB



2nd DL or S Jones NC State

3rd DL

3rd G

4th CB

4th ILB

5th RB

6th TE

6th C

7th S[/QUOTE]



We don't need "great" though that would be nice. We need "solid". Our D was atrocious. May not find a hof'er at 17, but certainly a starter. I like your idea and your position picks though. Pretty much covers all our needs. Except I think Brown and Foster could be a great tandem at ILB. Depth never hurts though.

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[quote=Schneed10;1168979]I don't think TE in the first round makes any sense.

Last year, we were already loaded at WR, but two were in the final years of their contract, so it was easy to see how Doctson would get the opportunity to start for the majority of his rookie contract.

But we have Reed under contract for four more seasons, and Davis was just signed for three. So if you pick a stud TE in round one, he either sits in 3rd string for the majority of his rookie deal, or it puts big money on our bench. Just doesn't make any sense.

They won't pick a TE in round one, I'll guarantee you that.[/quote]

Again, Reed has never played a full season. There is no chance OJ Howard sits behind V Davis. They could play a lot of two TEs sets and actually run the ball on third and two.

I guess you would pass on Rob Gronkowski too.

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[quote=punch it in;1168980]We don't need "great" though that would be nice. We need "solid". Our D was atrocious. May not find a hof'er at 17, but certainly a starter. I like your idea and your position picks though. Pretty much covers all our needs. Except I think Brown and Foster could be a great tandem at ILB. Depth never hurts though.[/quote]

You mean this Foster?

[url]https://youtu.be/IPgiyYDKQe8[/url]

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1168981]Again, Reed has never played a full season. There is no chance OJ Howard sits behind V Davis. They could play a lot of two TEs sets and actually run the ball on third and two.



I guess you would pass on Rob Gronkowski too.[/QUOTE]



Team has way too many more pressing holes to fill than tight end. Schneed is correct - no way we take a TE in round 1. If your crystal ball says he is Gronk 2.0 that stays healthy for the next 10-15 years though than let's talk. Lol

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[QUOTE=53Fan;1168982]You mean this Foster?



[url]https://youtu.be/IPgiyYDKQe8[/url][/QUOTE]



Haha. Dude is a beast. Physically has all the tools (though slight injury history), but mentally there are question marks.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1168981]Again, Reed has never played a full season. There is no chance OJ Howard sits behind V Davis. They could play a lot of two TEs sets and actually run the ball on third and two.

I guess you would pass on Rob Gronkowski too.[/quote]

Sorry brother, it just doesn't make sense. Vernon Davis was JUST signed to a deal averaging $5M per season. So that should tell you how much they think of him.

OJ Howard would probably come in and be 2nd string ahead of him, if they drafted him, you're right.

But would you have a $5M player playing as a 3rd stringer? Davis currently has the 12th highest cap hit on the roster.

They're not drafting OJ Howard. Just let it go.