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[quote=skinsfaninok;1033291]earlier I agreed with GOAT about the turn around with teams and didn't agree w u, Now I agree with u and not him on talent for this team lol.

Lack of talent is the issue folks, besides Garcon who else is a threat at WR?? Nobody. We r relying on a rookie TE to make plays. Morris is really our only good RB (HELU cant' block)

And our D has very limited talent, Riley, RK, Coefield and Hall are the only guys playing good this yr so far.[/quote]

While our WR corps could use some help, Garcon isn't the only threat like you suggested. Santana Moss is fast, reliable, and caught quite a few TDs last year. Hankerson is big, fast, and has good hands; currently he's second on the team in yards and TDs, and leads in yards per catch. It's not [I]just[/I] Garcon.

Lack of talent is part of the issue, but a big reason Shanahan hasn't been able to field better talent is because of the cap penalty. I definitely think the team is more talented than when Shanahan took over.

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sorry bro but Moss is done
and Hank cant catch a cold

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1033296]sorry bro but Moss is done
and Hank cant catch a cold[/quote]

[quote]sorry bro but Moss is done[/quote]

Why do you say that?

[quote]and Hank cant catch a cold[/quote]

Why do you say that?

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did u see Moss anywhere sunday night? I love the guy and he's always been a true gamer but he isn't involved much anymore

and Hank had a perfect Pass to him and he dropped it right in his chest on a crucial play late in the game

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Moss has largely been schemed out of the offense, and when he does get reps RG overlooks or misses him wide open quite a lot. Several factors contributing as to why it looks like we don't have enough downfield weapons.

For one thing I hate the way routes get bunched up. We don't run a spread offense (don't really spread the field well at all) and rarely have more than three targets downfield, yet time and again they're all within a few yards of each other. It's beyond frustrating.

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I do agree we need to spread it out more. I am a little lost on some of what we're scheming up offensively. Other teams seem to be able to maximize what they have and do well. We seem to try and force it too much.

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I just Hate the stupid WR in the backfield crap.

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Speaking of not maximizing players potential, it amazes me Helu isn't recording Reggie Bush type numbers. That guy is dynamite when healthy but it's a moot point when we limit him to behind the tackles and a few botched screen passes or checkdowns.

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There was a play I was looking at on Game Rewind on 1st and 10 from our own 20 in the 4th quarter (the drive where RG3 fumbled) and we start the play with 9 players in the box and Hankerson about 2 feet from Trent. I'm not sure what the point was of that formation, especially at that juncture of the game.

That tells the defense that they only have to worry about 3 players max going past 10-15 yards and with the game situation they weren't all that concerned with the run.

Kyle has a bad habit of trying to be way too cute/clever for the sake of 3 yards.

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[quote=The Goat;1033316]Speaking of not maximizing players potential, it amazes me Helu isn't recording Reggie Bush type numbers. That guy is dynamite when healthy but it's a moot point when we limit him to behind the tackles and a few botched screen passes or checkdowns.[/quote]

No, he's not. Helu has terrible field vision, no patience and below average balance as a runner.

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[quote=Paintrain;1033321]No, he's not. Helu has terrible field vision, no patience and below average balance as a runner.[/quote]

C'mon man. In space Helu is excellent and has that 2nd gear unlike most of our weapons. He's not a power back but to say he's terrible.

...I see way more positive out there than most of you guys and I get labeled the pessimist. What the deuce?

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Tom Clements
Pete Carmichael
Phillip Montgomery as OC or QB Coach or WR Coach

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[quote=The Goat;1033324]C'mon man. In space Helu is excellent and has that 2nd gear unlike most of our weapons. He's not a power back but to say he's terrible.

[B]...I see way more positive out there than most of you guys and I get labeled the pessimist. What the deuce?[/B][/quote]

Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.

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[quote=Skinzman;1033326][B]Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said. [/B]

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.[/quote]
..............Ruh Roh, somebody looked behind the screen

Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

[quote=Skinzman;1033326]Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.[/quote]

I've been pretty consistent about both things. Here's a post from last year:

[B]Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.[/B]

I said our talent was in line with the 2nd half of the season. You may not be able to comprehend nuance though, at least that's been your MO so far.