Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Andrew Luck isn't looking so hot right now! Truth is there are many factor that contribute to a QB success..Kirk may not be the star QB we are looking for but he is miles better than anything else we can put out there. I am willing to bet he plays steady from here on out and we will have our QB ..will he be perfect .heck no but from what i have seen so far is major improvement . I don't mind the int's so much if they are deep balls on 3rd down where he is trying to hit the big play..its those 15 yard interceptions that drive me crazy.I would like to see Kirk try more medium range passes on First down so the D won't stack against the run..Something tells me the Skins are going to play well against New england..might be upset of year!

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=rocnrik;1127248]Andrew Luck isn't looking so hot right now! Truth is there are many factor that contribute to a QB success..Kirk may not be the star QB we are looking for but he is miles better than anything else we can put out there. I am willing to bet he plays steady from here on out and we will have our QB ..will he be perfect .heck no but from what i have seen so far is major improvement . I don't mind the int's so much if they are deep balls on 3rd down where he is trying to hit the big play..its those 15 yard interceptions that drive me crazy.I would like to see Kirk try more medium range passes on First down so the D won't stack against the run..Something tells me the Skins are going to play well against New england..might be upset of year![/QUOTE]


Put down the kool aid, and come out with your hands up! I repeat put down the kool aid and come out with your hands up!
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Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1127235]You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:[/QUOTE]


This. No point in trying to change the minds of guys who are still salty RG3 sucks..


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Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127171]My eyes are seeing the exact same thing.

[B]Not looking for him to be flawless, just looking for the good games to be about a 2:1 ratio of good games to the bad ones.[/B] Consistently.[/quote]

I asked you about that and you said that a 2:1 good to bad games ratio wasn't good enough. In your latest post you say that he shouldn't be signed unless he plays "great" the rest of this season. Great? Is that all you want? Just for him to become great right away? You are more inconsistent than Kirk.

Well, you are consistent in that Kirk can't play well enough to suit you even if he wins Offensive Player of the Week.

BTW, what have you got in mind for Plan B if Kirk isn't re-signed?

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127239]lol ... Wow. KC folks as rabid RGIII fans were.

Who knew?[/quote]

Speaking for myself, I just have gone by what I've seen on the field. There were some things that turned me off to Griffin, like the entire public standoff with Shanahan, the throwing teammates under the bus and the marketing video. But it really all came down to on the field performance. He never showed any serious instincts or feel for the pro passing game. KC did from the very beginning and IMO should have started the 2013 season.

Despite his struggles, which all young qb's have, I always believed that KC was better for the pro game. Not saying he's arrived cause he hasn't, but KC is better than Griffin. Period.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1127244]I think you simply get through the full year, see where you are, and assign a value accordingly. You can't say there aren't signs of progress this year. But so far you also can't say he's worth a huge long term deal.

The right play might be a 3 year deal for mediocre starter money, letting him prove himself and earn a big QB payday down the road. Meanwhile at same time scout QBs and draft one if you think you've found the next Russell Wilson.

Luckily we don't need to decide now. Let the season play out.[/quote]

It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127254]It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.[/quote]

In the past 4 weeks, he led 2 game winning drives and 1 game tying drive with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Kirk Cousins will be getting paid a lot more than he is now to play QB in the NFL next year. At least one NFL team will look at the lack of a running game, and a lack of a #1 receiver and write him a check.

I've been scrolling through the thread and can't seem to find the name of his replacement after we let him walk.

We aren't going to franchise him because of the outrageous number, a performance based contract similar to Dalton's needs to be done sooner rather than later.

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[quote=punch it in;1127249]Put down the kool aid, and come out with your hands up! I repeat put down the kool aid and come out with your hands up!
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Forget that, he needs to pass it around, including to Gruden and the Skins so they come out with the right attitude. Better save the really good stuff for halftime though, might just need it!

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1127235]You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:[/quote]

Aaron Rodgers?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1127265]Aaron Rodgers?[/quote]

Correct.

Let's get him instead.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Who is Kirk Cousins?

Right now he's Nick Foles. Maybe he can be like Trent Green or Brad Johnson. LMAO at comparisons to Peyton and Brady.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127251]I asked you about that and you said that a 2:1 good to bad games ratio wasn't good enough. In your latest post you say that he shouldn't be signed unless he plays "great" the rest of this season. Great? Is that all you want? Just for him to become great right away? You are more inconsistent than Kirk.

Well, you are consistent in that Kirk can't play well enough to suit you even if he wins Offensive Player of the Week.[/quote]

I would suggest I have been entirely consistent in my position. Here is the prior conversation:

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127106]I want at least two or three games of consistent good play - meaning: 1) No bonehead INT's; and 2) consistent accuracy with his passes.[/quote]

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127119] ... Would you say he's getting there if he can produce [B]two or three good games in a row with one or two poor games in between [/B]the good ones? (my emphasis)[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127123]Not really. To me, that's his current MO.[/quote]

Here is the quote to which my 2:1 comment was responsive:

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1127164]... My eyes tell me he has made some strides this year in the mental aspect of his game after he makes mistakes. But what they also tell me is that he has yet to put together back to back good games, he has yet to play a good game on the road and he his good games are in the middle of multiple bad games. BOTTTOM LINE the jury is still well out on him and until consistent play is accomplished I don't feel he is the future.[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin;1127171]My eyes are seeing the exact same thing.

Not looking for him to be flawless, just looking for the good games to be about a 2:1 ratio of good games to the bad ones. Consistently.[/quote]

If KC has one or two good games for every one or two bad games he is just the same old KC. If he strings two or three good games on either side of a SINGLE bad game, then I think he has shown significant improvement. With nine games to go, if he has only two "bad" games, that's improvement. He doesn't have to be great or even good in the rest, just no bonehead interceptions and decent accuracy.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1127251]BTW, what have you got in mind for Plan B if Kirk isn't re-signed?[/quote]

Honestly, don't know. Don't know who is likely to be available. My responses have been to the question "Who is KC" not "If you don't think KC is next year's QB, what's the plan?"

KC [I]may[/I] be the best option for next year, but to me that's a entirely different question from who he is NOW. To me, he is the same guy he has been for the last THREE AND A HALF YEARS. Decent game, good game, dear-god-how-he-still-be-in-the-league game, less than good game, really good game. All mixed in together.

You see something that makes you think he can change that. Okay, fair enough. I don't. At the same time, he may end up be being the best option for next year.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1127253]Not saying he's arrived cause he hasn't, but KC is better than Griffin. Period.[/quote]

Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?

Also, can we drop the "young QB" crap please. He's 27, midway through his 4th year in the league. At some point the "not enough starts" argument is just tiresome. He has played enough and been in the league long enough to make an evaluation. Throughout his career, he has been consistently inconsistent.

I would love to be wrong. I would love for the guy to flip some switch that entirely alters the way he has been playing. Just not getting my hopes up based on how he has played for the last three years and a half years.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1127290]KC [I]may[/I] be the best option for next year, but to me that's a entirely different question from who he is NOW. To me, he is the same guy he has been for the last THREE AND A HALF YEARS. Decent game, good game, [B]dear-god-how-he-still-be-in-the-league game[/B], less than good game, really good game. All mixed in together.[/quote]

LOL! :laughing- True. I'm hoping to see fewer of those, anyway.

Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1127235]You guys are seriously cracking me up. Give me one QB in the history of the NFL with the amount of starting QB experience Kirk has (on a team that is still building around him) that showed the "consistency" you all say he lacks, and the flawless decision making you all say he should have attained by now.

This whole thread is a joke - Who is Kirk Cousins? -------> :Flush:[/quote]

KC is 27 and has been in the NFL for 4 years, and has spent most of that time as the backup QB for a generally lousy team. He's NOT a rookie. He's got this entire season to show what he's made of. What our GM is looking for is steady improvement throughout this entire 16 game season. I [I]personally hope[/I] that KC turns out to be the long-term franchise QB that the 'skins have been searching for over the last 25 years. But honestly right now I see him making some good moves and also some bad ones. He just had a very good game that showed that he has the fire in his belly to make a comeback victory. Let's see how he does - he controls his own destiny. Next season RG3 will be gone. If KC steadily improves and helps this team win some games he could get himself more games next year. But if he stays as an average or below guy who throws too many INT then McC will draft a QB with our first pick.

The NFL is a QB-driven game and KC has a whole season to show that he can be the passer / leader that this team needs to win football games. If he can exhibit an ability to win games then he'll be part of a steadily improving football team. I also want to see how KC does when Desean finally comes back on the roster...