Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1241507]I don't think Trent will settle for a one-two year extension here. That would just put him in a tougher position to get another contract being two-three years older... It's probably going to have to be 4+ years or a trade. We'll see if he even changes his stance about wanting to return, but as always, money talks and will likely be the deciding factor.[/quote]

You might be right. If he wants something like four years and $17M per, with a big chunk of it guaranteed, it no longer can be an Emotional Intelligence driven decision. It then has to be a long term business decision driven by what’s best for our cap.

The part BHA is missing - as usual - is our cap situation for the next two years. We are absolutely flushed with cap space. We almost have more than we can use. We could easily give Trent $35M guaranteed over the next two years, fully guaranteed, making him a Skin for the next two seasons, and it literally would not constrain our cap situation one iota.

If that’s not good enough for him then this was a money play for him all along. This is a good way to figure out where his heart is, right a lot of wrongs, and galvanize the locker room and the fans. If he wants a big contract like you suspect, then you move on to making the best business decision you can, which is probably a trade.

But you might as well find out first.

Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1241609]Some people make no sense here. I wonder if the same people complaining about the burned up money on injured players like Alex Smith, Jordan Reed, Vernon Davis, etc,etc, want to extend a player who will be 32 with a history of multiple nagging injuries with a 4 year deal with a good chunk of guaranteed money.[/QUOTE]



All the guys we are going to release are largely failures, hurt too much or are not playing up to the level of their salary. Trent has had a year to renew, both physically or mentally. He is still the best OL on this team. He is still in the top of the NFL for OT.
Keep him and fill a big hole on the team. Penn was a one year bandaid.

We still have to draft with our top picks ( third or fourth rounder) for the OL. But resigning Trent, Scherff and Flowers stabilizes our OL. We.’ll get two years out of Trent, by that time we can have drafted his replacement.


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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=Schneed10;1241614]You might be right. If he wants something like four years and $17M per, with a big chunk of it guaranteed, it no longer can be an Emotional Intelligence driven decision. It then has to be a long term business decision driven by what’s best for our cap.

The part BHA is missing - as usual - is our cap situation for the next two years. We are absolutely flushed with cap space. We almost have more than we can use. We could easily give Trent $35M guaranteed over the next two years, fully guaranteed, making him a Skin for the next two seasons, and it literally would not constrain our cap situation one iota.

If that’s not good enough for him then this was a money play for him all along. This is a good way to figure out where his heart is, right a lot of wrongs, and galvanize the locker room and the fans. If he wants a big contract like you suspect, then you move on to making the best business decision you can, which is probably a trade.

But you might as well find out first.[/quote]

How dare you use logic and reasoning to make your case about how to proceed?

Trent's a huge piece of shit! HEADS MUST ROLL.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

No one has mentioned he’s one joint away from a 1 year suspension. Need to have an opt out if he gets pegged for hitting the ganja again. Doubt he’d go for that though.

Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

There are a lot of very recent media articles on Trent (since the firing of BA) which give a lot of hints that TW will “consider” coming back here. That tells me he is open to renegotiation of his contract, versus just issuing a flat rejection.

It’s up to Rivera about whether he wants TW back and whether our new HC thinks that Trent can be part of a revitalized and disciplined Redskin team. His attitude while talking to Rivera will be more important than his playing ability. If he can soak up the new culture of “winning” he might be invited back!


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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1241656]No one has mentioned he’s one joint away from a 1 year suspension. Need to have an opt out if he gets pegged for hitting the ganja again. Doubt he’d go for that though.[/QUOTE]He has been one joint away for a long time now. It might be a factor when trying to trade him but I doubt it is much of a leverage point in contract negotiations.

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Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE]John Keim Twitter
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With a new coach, new athletic trainer and no Bruce Allen... will be interesting to see what happens with Trent Williams. ...[/QUOTE]

He went on to repost a conversation that he had with TW in December where TW didn't flat out say no to returning if BA was gone.

I am sure it's about the guaranteed money in his contract, but I think if the Skins/Rivera talk with TW they could work out the money. At this point, I think TW coming back happy would send a far more important message that things are different then trading him would.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242187]He went on to repost a conversation that he had with TW in December where TW didn't flat out say no to returning if BA was gone.

I am sure it's about the guaranteed money in his contract, but I think if the Skins/Rivera talk with TW they could work out the money. At this point, I think TW coming back happy would send a far more important message that things are different then trading him would.[/quote]

Smart teams in rebuild modes don't give an aging, injury prone player the kind of money TW wants. They trade them for draft picks and use their cap space to sign young, rising, players.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1242189]Smart teams in rebuild modes don't give an aging, injury prone player the kind of money TW wants. They trade them for draft picks and use their cap space to sign young, rising, players.[/quote]

Generally true, BUT we have an extremely young team, and we are in a good position regarding the cap. In addition, I think TW's main concern is the guaranteed money, not necessarily being the top paid OT, I think you can take the 10 Million he was due in 2019 tack it to a 2020 and 2021 guaranteed contract and get him back on board and bring a team voice back in a positive way. If you can't make the money work, ie he wants top 5 OT numbers and excessive years guaranteed, then you trade him. But remember, he called out BA as racist, he is one failed test away from a year suspension, he was out for a year(that may help or hurt his value), so I don't think it's a slam dunk a team is going to trade like they would have during training camp (thanks so much BA)

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

Either way that it goes...this should be the absolutely first thing we need to figure out. Like immediately.

When cant afford to sit around and lollygag with the LT position...its too fucking important

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242194]Generally true, BUT we have an extremely young team, and we are in a good position regarding the cap. In addition, I think TW's main concern is the guaranteed money, not necessarily being the top paid OT, I think you can take the 10 Million he was due in 2019 tack it to a 2020 and 2021 guaranteed contract and get him back on board and bring a team voice back in a positive way. If you can't make the money work, ie he wants top 5 OT numbers and excessive years guaranteed, then you trade him. But remember, he called out BA as racist, he is one failed test away from a year suspension, he was out for a year(that may help or hurt his value), so I don't think it's a slam dunk a team is going to trade like they would have during training camp (thanks so much BA)[/quote]

All of the reasons you say a team might not want to trade for TW are reasons we shouldn't want to give him any guaranteed money.

We already made him the highest paid OT in the league and front-loaded the contract. If Trent didn't want to play under a contract without guaranteed money in the final years, then he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. Giving an old, injury-prone, drama-generating, locker room distracting player one failed drug test away from a year long suspension a new deal would be ridiculously stupid. If the team did this, I would lose all faith in Rivera.

EDIT: Updated reference to "BA" to "TW." Bruce is still on the brain evidently lol.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

Given that pot use is likely to be part of the next CBA and that he has stayed away from it for the last 6-7 years since his suspension, I dont think other teams would be bothered by that. If they are they can put it in aa a stipulation in any new contract. 31 is not that old now for a good tackle who takes care of himself..... I think the biggest issue is his injury history and the prospect of guaranteeing salary, even if only for injury.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1242196]All of the reasons you say a team might not want to trade for BA are reasons we shouldn't want to give him any guaranteed money.

We already made him the highest paid OT in the league and front-loaded the contract. If Trent didn't want to play under a contract without guaranteed money in the final years, then he shouldn't have signed it in the first place. Giving an old, injury-prone, drama-generating, locker room distracting player one failed drug test away from a year long suspension a new deal would be ridiculously stupid. If the team did this, I would lose all faith in Rivera.[/quote]

You know front loaded contracts are standard operating procedure and TW wasn't going to fight for a fully guaranteed contract at the time he signed that, there wasn't the push for it that there is now. And it is a different thing for a team that is trading draft picks to look at the risks associated with bringing a new face into a locker room, than for the Redskins to bring back a team captain who was the face of a rebellion against an unwanted team president and medical staff. If they bring back TW, I doubt he would be anything but the positive team captain he was leading up to the BS with BA.

Hard to lose faith in Rivera over bringing an elite player back into the fold with smiles all around. (depending on the deal it took to get those smiles)

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

Unless the Redskins get an offer they can't refuse for the #2 pick, I think we have to make things work with Trent to fill the LT spot.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242200]You know front loaded contracts are standard operating procedure and TW wasn't going to fight for a fully guaranteed contract at the time he signed that, there wasn't the push for it that there is now. And it is a different thing for a team that is trading draft picks to look at the risks associated with bringing a new face into a locker room, than for the Redskins to bring back a team captain who was the face of a rebellion against an unwanted team president and medical staff. If they bring back TW, I doubt he would be anything but the positive team captain he was leading up to the BS with BA.

Hard to lose faith in Rivera over bringing an elite player back into the fold with smiles all around. (depending on the deal it took to get those smiles)[/quote]

I understand your perspective, but fundamentally disagree with just about everything you say.

Trent USED to be "elite." He isn't anymore. He's a very, very good - but declining - tackle who is often injured. He's also a cancer. Yes, we shared the same enemy (Bruce), but that does not defend his actions or his motives. Trent wasn't the champion of the "fire bruce allen" movement because Bruce was a terrible, sleazy, front office executive. By Trent's own words, his dissatisfaction started because he asked for a new contract with 2 years left and was told No. At that point, he'd decided to hold out. The cancer-scare stuff happened later, and, instead of filing a grievance with the NFLPA (which is what a player would do if they had a legitimate concern), Trent leaked vague, but inflammatory reports regarding his treatment. When he finally did speak publicly, he made the incendiary and unsubstantiated claim that Bruce was a racist. Trent claimed that "no one" from the team called him or visited him when this was later proved to be false. Trent claimed he incurred $200,000 in travel expenses for his surgery when Snyder gave him his freaking private jet. He accused the team of telling him not to worry about the growth at the same time other reports confirmed that, years earlier, the team had suggested he see a specialist and Trent didn't make the appointment. Who are we to believe in all this? The Team and NFLPA both wanted to do an investigation, but Trent refused to allow it. Those telling the truth have nothing to hide.

Trent may have once been a positive team captain, but he turned into a cancer. This is not to say that Bruce Allen was free from blame, but you can't simply pretend this was all bruce's doing. Trent bears most of the blame for how this all played out. Competent, well-run franchises don't reward such toxic and insubordinate behavior with new contracts. It is my firm opinion that it is in everyone's best interest for Trent and the team to part ways.