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[quote=SmootSmack;768101]The Caps simply don't matter to Washington nearly as much as the Redskibs do. Doesn't matter how many SAT words you use, you can't tell Skins fans to be patient while we rebuild. I don't believe for a seco d most fans would have the maturity to accept that[/quote]

It's hard to "Rebuild" when we hear that shit every season.

Also notice the difference between a playoff team and a bad team,The Bucs K Barth made every kick today and we missed 2 (actually 3)

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When we were behind at the end of the game by a touchdown, my husband said we'll drive down the field and score a touchdown but Gano will miss the extra point. I laughed out loud at such a silly premise. Well it wasn't his fault but Gano never even had a chance to make the extra point and we lost....again. Over and over, each and every week, we find another way to lose. And every week, I feel depressed. When will we ever be good again?

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Hope I'm not the only guy who thinks Macho should start at least 1 game at FS (VT Grad), but Moore has been a bust at FS and I really dont see him back next yr.

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[quote=vallin21;768129]Hope I'm not the only guy who thinks Macho should start at least 1 game at FS (VT Grad), but Moore has been a bust at FS and I really dont see him back next yr.[/quote]

I agree.........Moore isn't a player I see developing into a decent player. Way too many holes in his game.

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moore is weak

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[quote=mlmdub130;768067]very true, sometimes it's said to be a skins fan. this year has been really hard, this is the first time i have ever missed a home game in atleast 7 years and i missed two, we lost both(colts and bucs). and i didn't even watch a minute of the lions game(out of the country). [B]it's a season like this that makes you evaluate how you spend you sundays and your extra cash[/B]. i love the skins and alwasy will, but until the team starts showing alot more signs of progress [B]i will continue to be less and less vested in each game.[/B] i know we will get better eventually it's just said that this franchise has such a hard fall from the top, or not even the top [B]but relevance in the nfl year in and year out.[/B] hopefully the shanahan's are the right ones for the job, i feel very comfortable with bruce allen as the gm and think he will be a great fixture for this team, i just don't think the shanahans will pan out, but i really hope i am wrong. only time will tell.[/quote]It pains me to say it, but I agree with you. It is beyond dissapointing that we've got the #2 revenue in the NFL and can't put a winning team on the field.

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[quote=SmootSmack;768101]The Caps simply don't matter to Washington nearly as much as the Redskibs do. Doesn't matter how many SAT words you use, you can't tell Skins fans to be patient while we rebuild. I don't believe for a seco d most fans would have the maturity to accept that[/quote]I'm all for rebuilding and I think most fans would understand a rebuild.....but what kills me is that you have a Team President / HC that is getting, what $ 7M / yr. and there doesn't appear to be a long term plan.

The moves made this off-season (McNabb, J. Brown) appear to be "win now" moves....yet if you are in a "win now" mode why do you completely disrupt a defense that has good young talent along the most important unit, the DL. The change to the 3-4, is a 2-3 year project in acquiring the correct personnel. And with it being a copycat league and the 3-4 the latest fad, the "tweener" LB/DEs and NTs are going to be hard to come by. Yet, we have on the roster a superstar RDE, arguably the best 1 tech DT in the game, a solid run stopping LDE (Daniels) and a very good pass rushing LDE (Jarmon). Between the rest of the DL we have solid 3 techs and backups for a 4-3.

On the OL, no move was made at C and Rabach is clearly done. Either KL or Monty should be starting at C. I find it hard to believe Dock just went from being solid to stinking up the joint and benched, and Heyer while he struggles in space appeared to do well at RG against the Titans, why not see if he makes a transition to G.

You know much beter than I what goes on in the FO, but from the Lomabardi article and other bits and pieces I've seen, we need to expand/improve our scouting and have MS pay the hell attention to them instead of thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.

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Considerable changes to the front office were supposed to happen last summer, not quite sure why they haven't yet

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;768148]
The moves made this off-season (McNabb, J. Brown) appear to be "win now" moves....yet if you are in a "win now" mode why do you completely disrupt a defense that has good young talent along the most important unit, the DL. The change to the 3-4, is a 2-3 year project in acquiring the correct personnel. [B]And with it being a copycat league and the 3-4 the latest fad, the "tweener" LB/DEs and NTs are going to be hard to come by.[/B] Yet, we have on the roster a superstar RDE, arguably the best 1 tech DT in the game, a solid run stopping LDE (Daniels) and a very good pass rushing LDE (Jarmon). Between the rest of the DL we have solid 3 techs and backups for a 4-3.
[/quote]
Well, a prime example from this year is that Baltimore really got deep with quality NTs when they drafted Cody. Now they can resign Ngata and have two starting caliber NTs on their roster if they want it that way.

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[quote=SmootSmack;768153]Considerable changes to the front office were supposed to happen last summer, not quite sure why they haven't yet[/quote]

What kind of changes? I know most of the scouting dept. stayed intact. Should we expect changes there this offseason? Maybe there were just too many things on Allen & Shan's to-do list?

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If you had told me before the game McNabb throws 2 TDs and 0 picks, Torain runs for 172, and our D holds their running game in check, I would have thought definitely a win for the Skins. Just so frustrating how it seems at least one phase of the game holds us back on a weekly basis.

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[quote=firstdown;768047]Not sure why evryone is so pissed I thought the ending was just perfect and got a good laugh.[/quote]

:lol: Now that's what I'm talking about! :laughing-

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In April we will be loving this lost, trust me.

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[quote=freddyg12;768239]What kind of changes? I know most of the scouting dept. stayed intact. Should we expect changes there this offseason? Maybe there were just too many things on Allen & Shan's to-do list?[/quote]

Bringing one or two of the Goodmans in to replace Brown and/or Campbell. Replacing several scouts.

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[quote=mredskins;768243]In April we will be loving this lost, trust me.[/quote]

A high pick to me just reminds me of how much we stink, I'd rather be winning games to finish on a high note.

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[quote=Mattyk;768240]If you had told me before the game McNabb throws 2 TDs and 0 picks, Torain runs for 172, and our D holds their running game in check, I would have thought definitely a win for the Skins. [B] Just so frustrating how it seems at least one phase of the game holds us back on a weekly basis.[/B][/quote]

Exactly what I've been thinking lately. I mean we find new insane ways to lose each week.

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Loss probably would have been easier to swallow if we hadn't had such a strong drive to pull within one point at the end of the game

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[quote=Mattyk;768240]If you had told me before the game McNabb throws 2 TDs and 0 picks, Torain runs for 172, and our D holds their running game in check, I would have thought definitely a win for the Skins. Just so frustrating how it seems [B]at least one phase of the game holds us back on a weekly basis.[/B][/quote]

True, but this game was about more lost opportunities than just the kicking game. The end of half clock mismanagement really gave the bucs hope, we score a td there & it's maybe a different game. In general the red zone O wasn't sharp. Both td's were on 4th downs, which they deserve a lot of credit for, but it shows we had trouble there too.

I also don't like to criticize db's for being in position to make plays, but usually Hall makes that pick in the 1st quarter & has 6. Fletcher also dropped one.

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[quote=freddyg12;768282]True, but this game was about more lost opportunities than just the kicking game. The end of half clock mismanagement really gave the bucs hope, we score a td there & it's maybe a different game. In general the red zone O wasn't sharp. Both td's were on 4th downs, which they deserve a lot of credit for, but it shows we had trouble there too.

I also don't like to criticize db's for being in position to make plays, but usually Hall makes that pick in the 1st quarter & has 6. Fletcher also dropped one.[/quote]

The announcers said we mismanged the clock but we got to run our three plays and try for the FG so waht was actually mismanaged? It didn't look that smooth but we had plenty of time.

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[quote=12thMan;768032]Totally disagree, OTM. First of all, if the Bucs didn't have a bad case of Carlos Rogers, the Redskins would have gotten hammered today! Hammered.

I am so god damned tired of some of you guys talking about patience, when this clown coaching us this year is no better than the clown we had last year. I'm sorry, but at $7 million per year Mike Shanahan is the most overrated over paid, over hyped coach in the NFL this year. It's one thing to be wildly optimistic tempered with some patience, it's another to have glaring deficiencies and flaws week in and week out. That's not a patience issue, that's a competence issue.

The personnel decisions have been questionable, the play calling and clock management has been suspect, and Shanny continues to feed us BS at every presser. I'm just not convinced that the talent level between mos NFL rosters, ours included, is that great.[/quote]

It's year 1 dude. Shanny is not responsible for the previous 20 years that have you and much of the fan base boiling over. He has been here for 13 games which for the most part he is playing with players he didn't select. How can we all criticise Snyder so much and then act just like we all accused him of acting?

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[quote=Mattyk;768240]If you had told me before the game McNabb throws 2 TDs and 0 picks, Torain runs for 172, and our D holds their running game in check, I would have thought definitely a win for the Skins. Just so frustrating how it seems at least one phase of the game holds us back on a weekly basis.[/quote]

Not to have gotten more from Torain's best day as a pro performance is a little disheartening. Not being able to finish drives is the chief culprit.

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[quote=freddyg12;768282][B]True, but this game was about more lost opportunities than just the kicking game.[/B] The end of half clock mismanagement really gave the bucs hope, we score a td there & it's maybe a different game. In general the red zone O wasn't sharp. Both td's were on 4th downs, which they deserve a lot of credit for, but it shows we had trouble there too.

I also don't like to criticize db's for being in position to make plays, but usually Hall makes that pick in the 1st quarter & has 6. Fletcher also dropped one.[/quote]

They were one in the same basically. We left an easy 7 points out there on teams alone.

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This is the moodiest team I've ever seen. They change from being brilliant to pathetic almost on a drive by drive basis. First half was awesome. And you know what adjustments the Bucs are going to make at half time. But then we don't adjust accordingly to those adjustments and play right into their hands. Man handled in first half, then not a single first down till half way through the 4th. It's very peculiar to watch.

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[quote=firstdown;768286]The announcers said we mismanged the clock but we got to run our three plays and try for the FG so waht was actually mismanaged? It didn't look that smooth but we had plenty of time.[/quote]

Didnt we get a delay of game penalty coming out of a time out? It was a complete f*ck up by mcnabb and shanny.

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[quote=Mattyk;768303]They were one in the same basically. We left an easy 7 points out there on teams alone.[/quote]

And we gave them a short field on the kickoff fumble which they scored 3? So thats 10 pts...i think, dunno i was drinking heavily at that point

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[quote=WilbursHomie;768308]This is the moodiest team I've ever seen. They change from being brilliant to pathetic almost on a drive by drive basis. First half was awesome. [B]And you know what adjustments the Bucs are going to make at half time. But then we don't adjust accordingly to those adjustments and play right into their hands. [/B]Man handled in first half, then not a single first down till half way through the 4th. It's very peculiar to watch.[/quote]

Yeah, I thought about that too. It would have been interesting to see more play action in the second half to throw off whatever changes the Bucs made. But then you'd hear criticisms about going away from what worked.

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[quote=Chico23231;768326]Didnt we get a delay of game penalty coming out of a time out? It was a complete f*ck up by mcnabb and shanny.[/quote]
You are correct they did get a delay of game but as far as the game clock we had planty of time to run our plays. The announcers acted like we ran out of time and had to go for the FG with downs left because of the clock.

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[quote=firstdown;768286]The announcers said we mismanged the clock but we got to run our three plays and try for the FG so waht was actually mismanaged? It didn't look that smooth but we had plenty of time.[/quote]

1) They let the time wind down way too far before calling the timeout

2) got a delay of game after the TO which moved the ball back

3) Didn't williams get out of bounds on his 3rd down run? if he hadn't then the fg unit has to rush out, i.e. they almost created a potential rushed scenario which was totally uncecessary. I know they want to keep the other team from having time, but make sure you give yourself a chance to score first.

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did anyone else notice how sundberg our long snapper was zipping his snaps yesterday? on a punt in the 3rd quarter he zipped the ball and i told my lady "dang that boy really zippin that ball right there". i didnt think much of it as i complained about our weak punt protection a lil earlier, i actually predicted a blocked punt b/c the bucs seemed to be getting good outside penetration. so i didnt think much of it, chalking it up to atleast hes getting the ball back there in a hurry b/c the bucs were coming.

any way the wet turf allows for a speedier take off/snap? less resistance?

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[quote=firstdown;768338]You are correct they did get a delay of game but as far as the game clock we had planty of time to run our plays. The announcers acted like we ran out of time and had to go for the FG with downs left because of the clock.[/quote]

yeah i couldnt understand why the announcers, moose, was going on and on about it. i was starting to make tacos so i wasnt 100% paying attention thoo.

it was 3rd and goal and we let the clock run down to 20 seconds remaining before calling our last timeout.

i dont understand why we got the delay of game thoo. was there something wrong with mcnabbs headset? that wouldnt even matter if you called a TO and talked about it unless we wanted to change the play at the LOS.

shanny said something about 2 time outs and he didnt call the second time out or something, his explanation was confusing but i think he was saying someone upstairs wanted to call another timeout which you cant do b/c we didnt have anymore and you cant call 2 in a row. but idk, seemed like there was confusion for sure.

shanny's press conf was a bit confusing

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Man, how the F did the refs miss this?

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/heres_brian_orakpo_being_held.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;768451]Man, how the F did the refs miss this?

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/heres_brian_orakpo_being_held.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again[/url][/quote]

Wow. Just wow. No hold, no touchdown. Generally I don't like to blame bad reffing, but I am really sick (and I imagine he is more so) of all the no-call holds on Orakpo.

I bet part of the problem is that: 1) The Skins defense sucks so refs aren't going to give it the benefit of the doubt; 2) Orakpo strikes me as a guy who thinks his play should speak for itself and is not out to bitch & moan. Much as I hate to say it, he needs to sit down with the refs and say "Just watch me play, I am held every f'ing down. Please call it once in while or I am going to actually get seriously hurt."

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Little grabs and holds happen on most plays in the NFL, but Rak seems to get these totally blatant clothesline holds way too often. The ref behind the line was looking down field? Why? It's his job to watch the line play, isn't it?? Rak does need to start speaking up a la Bruce Smith style. Get in the ref's ear the first time it happens during a game.

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will be interesting to see Rak up against Dallas again. they don't have anyone that can come close to blocking him 1 on 1 in the pass game. This game might've gotten him some good publicity w/the refs & they may pay more attention come sunday.

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I actually think the team should do more than just complain the first time it happens in a game. I think they should compile a collection of photos of all the times Orakpo has been held all season and send to the league and demand an explanation and correction action going forward. Even if it were limited to the most egregious examples -- like yesterday's -- it would likely make for a pretty compelling presentation. What's troubling is that the way he's being held is actually dangerous to him -- getting and arm across the thoat is no joke. And with all the effort the league is making to protect QBs and otherwise limit injuries, there's a point to make here having nothing to do with allowing the Redskins to compete. Orakpo is simply one of the best in football right now, and his sack numbers/pressures would be through the roof but for these seemingly constant non-calls.

And for the folks who say that these plays aren't enough to make the difference in a game and that the Redskins need to otherwise take care of business, I agree but only to a point. A few well timed sacks or forced fumbles or pressures leading to errant throws are often the only things that separate the very successful teams from those which are not.

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imo the refs werent calling holds yesterday. outside of the sellers holding call on the kick return, they were consistently not calling holding which is all that i ask.

that and i think rak should do a better job of selling the hold but thats a slippery slope id rather avoid by telling rak to keep going 100% and the calls will come.

when shanny was talking to the refs and showing them the image, i thought shanny had a clear rule violation like too many men on the field or illegal formation . . . holding is much more subjective. it now makes sense to me why the head ref came over then quickly walked away. arguing holding is like arguing the strike zone.

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Sure...no one listened to me when I said cut Sundberg in the PRESEASON! Ugh.

Not the first game he's cost us this season. A long-snapper should never be noticed.




OH, and we did NOT get an extra play...the booth guys were just idiots who got confused when the sign guy forgot to change it once. If they were paying attention, they would have caught that. This was no Colorado Buffaloes 5th Down scenario.

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[quote=Mattyk;768451]Man, how the F did the refs miss this?

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/12/heres_brian_orakpo_being_held.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again[/URL][/quote]

Usually don't advocate this, but Rak needs to start retaliating. Someone grabs him by the neck, but an elbow into that lineman so it hurts.

Hey, if he's so invisible, they won't see it, right?

:pffff:

Ridiculous.

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listened to cooley on way home. he said:

- delay of game was b/c call didnt get thru mcnabb's headset. i still dont know why it should have effected play unless they wanted to line up, see what bucs were doing then make a call from there.

- on play before delay of game he said they had a great call but 2 guys blocked the wrong defenders

- on 3rd and goal pass to cooley that fell short in 1st quarter. that he talked to mcnabb who said the bucs changed to a 5 man front before snap, mcnabb thought he was on hot read status, saw color in front of him (during play, i guess that means feeling/seeing pressure while still looking downfield) and thought he had to get rid of it.

- that there are fairweather fans everywhere but the true fans will focus on things to cheer about.

- that he does not apologize for yelling back at skins fan at end of game who yelled something like redskins suck.

ps - im a lavar fan but he is a richard to the infinite degree and has major envy and jealousy issues since he hung up the cleats. and chad and lavar need to stop acting like fan call questions is a torture device, its those 2 schmucks who make it a very uneven disjointed segment of their show.

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[quote=over the mountain;768554]listened to cooley on way home. he said:

- delay of game was b/c call didnt get thru mcnabb's headset. i still dont know why it should have effected play unless they wanted to line up, see what bucs were doing then make a call from there.

- on play before delay of game he said they had a great call but 2 guys blocked the wrong defenders

- on 3rd and goal pass to cooley that fell short in 1st quarter. that he talked to mcnabb who said the bucs changed to a 5 man front before snap, mcnabb thought he was on hot read status, saw color in front of him (during play, i guess that means feeling/seeing pressure while still looking downfield) and thought he had to get rid of it.

- that there are fairweather fans everywhere but the true fans will focus on things to cheer about.

- [B]that he does not apologize for yelling back at skins fan at end of game who yelled something like redskins suck.[/B]

ps - im a lavar fan but he is a richard to the infinite degree and has major envy and jealousy issues since he hung up the cleats. and chad and lavar need to stop acting like fan call questions is a torture device, its those 2 schmucks who make it a very uneven disjointed segment of their show.[/quote]

Cooley's the bomb...........
Thumbs down on you LA