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[quote=Mattyk;849177]Who says they're not going back and watching the game?[/quote]

Well after the 59-28 loss last year MS said he was going to toss out the film and not watch it because there was nothing to get out of it.

Now we hear Rex say you have to throw that game away. Now he might not have meant it in that context and I could be wrong but, no you can't just avoid watching it because it was an extremely bad game and you don't think your that bad.

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[quote=SBXVII;849184]Well after the 59-28 loss last year MS said he was going to toss out the film and not watch it because there was nothing to get out of it.

Now we hear Rex say you have to throw that game away. Now he might not have meant it in that context and I could be wrong but, no you can't just avoid watching it because it was an extremely bad game and you don't think your that bad.[/quote]

I can see tossing last year's game. Sometimes it's better to just move on.

I don't see where Rex said anything about not watching this one though, he's just saying he's not going to dwell on it.

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[quote=Mattyk;849183]Rex sucks, let's just call it what it is. Guys like Brady have worked with no-name WR corps in the past and had success. Our WRs aren't world beaters but the cupboard is far from bare too.[/quote]


and I agree with that. My whole arguement is Beck will not be that much better. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so. I'm also starting to believe that the coaching staff has the receivers starting at point A and running their routes to point B and the ball "will" be at point B. If the WR gets bumped off his route we see missed catches, dropped balls, interceptions.

All those other QB's have systems to include PManning in which they throw the deep ball and the WR has to go after it, locate it, and catch it. Yeah we practiced the corner post and we see more of it now then last year but again we don't see the WR actually going after the ball unless it's right in their hands. Moss is a little better at this, but the others are not that good at doing it.

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[quote=Mattyk;849186]I can see tossing last year's game. Sometimes it's better to just move on.

I don't see where Rex said anything about not watching this one though, he's just saying he's not going to dwell on it.[/quote]

Gotcha. Well they need to go back and watch both and see if there is any similarities. Clearly the Eagles watched it and exploited the weaknesses.

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To be honest I think it is fair to "throw away" (like how I did that?) the first INT. It was pretty much an punt. An awesome punt. I see how the 3rd INT could be dicey.

So let's give Rex 2.5 to 2.75 INTs.

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All I know is Shanny is 0 for 2 as far as QB's are concerned. How many more are we going to go through until we find "our-guy"? QB is now the most difficult and expensive position to fill in today's NFL. The only way you're going to get one is either finishing with an abysmal record, like the Lions, Rams, Panthers, Atlanta etc. or you have to take a chance on a mid-first rounder that comes at a high cost and a greater probability to fail.

Last but not least you can go with the nuclear option by giving up 2 to 3 first round picks to trade up or trade for someone outright. There's no easy decisions here. One way or another no good QB comes without great sacrifice, 6th and 7th rounders like Brady and Montana are once a generation, so finding someone that deep isn't a reliable option.

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[quote=SBXVII;849188]and I agree with that. [B]My whole arguement is Beck will not be that much better.[/B] I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so. I'm also starting to believe that the coaching staff has the receivers starting at point A and running their routes to point B and the ball "will" be at point B. If the WR gets bumped off his route we see missed catches, dropped balls, interceptions.

All those other QB's have systems to include PManning in which they throw the deep ball and the WR has to go after it, locate it, and catch it. Yeah we practiced the corner post and we see more of it now then last year but again we don't see the WR actually going after the ball unless it's right in their hands. Moss is a little better at this, but the others are not that good at doing it.[/quote]

All he has to do is not give the ball away a couple of times per game and he will be a big improvement over Rex.

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[quote=hooskins;849190]To be honest I think it is fair to "throw away" (like how I did that?) the first INT. It was pretty much an punt. An awesome punt. I see how the 3rd INT could be dicey.

So let's give Rex 2.5 to 2.75 INTs.[/quote]

I can give him a pass on the 1st INT and perhaps even the third. Still, fact is his decision making has been piss poor. And it seems the more he struggles, the more mistakes he makes. INT #4 sent me through the roof. He should have just thrown it out of bounds. Rex throwing on the run is bad news.

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I am just trying to honestly assess the game a few days after. I am not as pissed off now lol.

The thing about Rex that bothers me more is that doesn't take the easier/shorter route at times. I've noticed our RBs tend to be open in the flats. Also he can really telegraph his passes at times

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When you watch the game tape. And this may sound weird, but there are times when the completions are more frustrating than the interceptions. Like there are completions, and then there are good completions. He lately has had more of the former.

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[quote=Mattyk;849192]All he has to do is not give the ball away a couple of times per game and he will be a big improvement over Rex.[/quote]


This

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[quote=SBXVII;849149]and..... the others have not?

Brady- 151 games, 111 INT's.
Brees- 144 games, 140 INT's.
EManning- 111 games, 118 INT's.
Stafford- 19 games, 25 INT's.
Roethlisberger- 105 games, 92 INT's.
Vick- 104 games, 66 INT's.

Grossman- 46 games, 49 INT's.

I'm soo glad EManning and Stafford suck just as much as Grossman. I wonder when those respected teams will start chanting for the 2nd stringer.[/quote]


I agree Eli is not Brady,Brees or even his brother but anyone that thinks he and Rex are equal....needs their head examine.

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[quote=Giantone;849237]I agree Eli is not Brady,Brees or even his brother but anyone that thinks he and Rex are equal....needs their head examine.[/quote]


Thank u

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How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.

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[quote=Bucket;849242]How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.[/quote]

Agree 100% I dont understand all the talk about how you get the same results with Rex or Beck. I'm personally intrigued by the idea of seeing what Beck can do if given the start. They are not the same type of QB they cannot be categorized "the same" nor will they statistically produce the same results. I really hope Beck does get a chance and lights it up!

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[quote=Bucket;849242]How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.[/quote]


Trent Green, Tony Romo and others would argue for Beck

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[quote=Bucket;849242][B]How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? [/B]He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.[/quote]

I agree.
Frankly I am tired of all the (I think I am an expert on QB's) on this sight that make predictions about Qb's that have barely taken and NFL snap. Cam Newton is the most obvious person to point to.
All effing off season I had to endure listening to some idiots talking about how they were 100% sure Cam Newton will be terrible in the NFL. Failure.
Before that. some of those 'experts' were saying Jimmy Clausen was going to be the best pro in his draft class and he was the most pro ready Qb coming out that year. He is now third string behind rookie Cam Newton.

Beck is also unknown. He started a few games for a terrible Dolphins team. Lets give him a look. That is all I ask.

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[quote=Defensewins;849255]I agree.
Frankly I am tired of all the (I think I am an expert on QB's) on this sight that make predictions about Qb's that have barely taken and NFL snap. Cam Newton is the most obvious person to point to.
All effing off season I had to endure listening to some idiots talking about how they were 100% sure Cam Newton will be terrible in the NFL. Failure.
Before that. some of those 'experts' were saying Jimmy Clausen was going to be the best pro in his draft class and he was the most pro ready Qb coming out that year. He is now third string behind rookie Cam Newton.

Beck is also unknown. He started a few games for a terrible Dolphins team. Lets give him a look. That is all I ask.[/quote]You're going to have to explain the John Beck's unknown = Cam Newton's unknown a little bit further. It seems to break down once you move past "I'm enraged with that thing people thought."

There's a decade of age difference there.

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[quote=GTripp0012;849260]You're going to have to explain the John Beck's unknown = Cam Newton's unknown a little bit further. It seems to break down once you move past "I'm enraged with that thing people thought."

There's a decade of age difference there.[/quote]

How many games has Beck started?
Haw many has Cam started?
I don't care how old a player is, if they have not played extensively like Grossman, we do not know how they will do until they get in there and play more.

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[quote=Defensewins;849261]How many games has Beck started?
Haw many has Cam started?[/quote]In college, a bunch.

I don't really see the perspective you're selling me. You're trying to link Grossman-Beck with Clausen-Newton. But how many games has Clausen started? How about Grossman?

We don't really know anything about Clausen compared to Grossman. But we knew Cam Newton was the first overall pick and was going to get a shot. All we know about John Beck is that his teammates don't think he's that good and he lost a QB competition to Rex Grossman.

Maybe you're right that he deserves a shot to fail, but that's not exactly the same thing with Cam Newton. People doubted Cam Newton's ability to play in the NFL. But no one thought the Panthers should just play him to get it over with. But, yet, that's the argument for Beck.

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[quote=Defensewins;849261]I don't care how old a player is, if they have not played extensively like Grossman, we do not know how they will do until they get in there and play more.[/quote]If you don't care about age, how is John Beck different from Jimmy Clausen?

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This is not college football so that Beck started a 'bunch of games in college' does not mean a thing.
The point I was making on my initial post is some on this sight were so quick to say this off season that Cam Newton will not be a good NFL Qb even before he was drafted and took an NFL snap. Some people said Jimmy Clausen was a can't miss NFL Qb and would be the best QB of his draft class, before he ever took an NFL snap.
John Beck has started 4 NFL regular season games all for the Miami Dolphins adn people are claiming to know he is this or that. Jimmy Clausen has started 10 games and he is only in his second year. Age has nothing to do with experience.

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[quote=Defensewins;849266]This is not college football.
The point I was making on my initial post is some on this sight were so quick to say Cam Newton will be a failure in the NFL even before he was drafted and took an NFL snap. Some people said Jimmy Clausen was a can't miss NFL Qb and would be the best QB of his draft class, before he ever took an NFL snap.
John Beck has started 4 NFL regular season games all for the Miami Dolphins adn people are claiming to know he is this or that. Jimmy Clausen has started 10 games and he is only in his second year. Age has nothing to do with experience.[/quote]What I'm hearing though (and you should correct me if I'm wrong) is that Beck hasn't played and people shouldn't write him off until he played. And then I'm also hearing you say that Jimmy Clausen sucks and that he deserves to sit behind Cam Newton because Newton was ultra promising and Clausen never was. You've written off other's opinions of Jimmy Clausen because he struggled in 10 games, and in the same post, you're defending Beck on the grounds of that we just really don't know anything anyway.

Look, I think there's a small chance that you're right on both accounts. There's a tiny chance that Beck is really, really good, and Clausen just sucks. And you can probably find an expert (try Mel Kiper) who believes exactly the opposite and you can laugh in his face, that non-believer. Cam's great! What is that fool thinking?!

What I'm missing is I don't understand the issue you're taking with people who predicted early failures for Cam Newton, and why that's proof positive of John Beck deserving a better opportunity than he's gotten. There are people who are biased against college spread quarterbacks and people who are biased against inexperienced college players and the Carolina Panthers proved to be neither when they took him first overall. But no one except a couple of Redskin coaches and various talking heads believe in John Beck. And that's not at all the same as Cam Newton and his eight figure signing bonus.

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We can't say for sure what Beck can/will do. But I wish we'd dispel this notion that he's Cam Newton entering this season. Beck isn't a rookie who's never taken an NFL snap. And the notion that he's Romo or Trent Green. He wasn't an undrafted free agent. He wasn't even someone who has been grooomed under one team under the time was right like Rodgers or even Kolb.

He's Brady Quinn. That's essentially what he is right now, Brady Quinn. A top 40 pick who has not yet found his place in the league, but it won't be with the team that drafted him. And yeah he played on a bad Dolphins team. So what. That's what happens to most good young quarterbacks on bad teams

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[quote=GTripp0012;849267]What I'm hearing though [B](and you should correct me if I'm wrong[/B]) is that Beck hasn't played and people shouldn't write him off until he played. And then I'm also hearing you say that Jimmy Clausen sucks and that he deserves to sit behind Cam Newton because Newton was ultra promising and Clausen never was. You've written off other's opinions of Jimmy Clausen because he struggled in 10 games, and in the same post, you're defending Beck on the grounds of that we just really don't know anything anyway.

Look, I think there's a small chance that you're right on both accounts. There's a tiny chance that Beck is really, really good, and Clausen just sucks. And you can probably find an expert (try Mel Kiper) who believes exactly the opposite and you can laugh in his face, that non-believer. Cam's great! What is that fool thinking?!

What I'm missing is I don't understand the issue you're taking with people who predicted early failures for Cam Newton, and why that's proof positive of John Beck deserving a better opportunity than he's gotten. There are people who are biased against college spread quarterbacks and people who are biased against inexperienced college players and the Carolina Panthers proved to be neither when they took him first overall. But no one except a couple of Redskin coaches and various talking heads believe in John Beck. And that's not at all the same as Cam Newton and his eight figure signing bonus.[/quote]
You are wrong, I am not saying that.
Clausen does not suck. He may end up being a great nfl Qb. We do not know yet. But people were claiming Clausen ready to play in the NFL before he was drafted. I do not agree with making those kind of statements.
All I am saying is you can not definitively judge a QB that has started 4 games or has stared zero games. .

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[quote=SmootSmack;849268][B]We can't say for sure what Beck can/will do.[/B] But I wish we'd dispel this notion that he's Cam Newton entering this season. Beck isn't a rookie who's never taken an NFL snap. And the notion that he's Romo or Trent Green. He wasn't an undrafted free agent. He wasn't even someone who has been grooomed under one team under the time was right like Rodgers or even Kolb.

He's Brady Quinn. That's essentially what he is right now, Brady Quinn. A top 40 pick who has not yet found his place in the league, but it won't be with the team that drafted him. And yeah he played on a bad Dolphins team. So what. That's what happens to most good young quarterbacks on bad teams[/quote]

That is all I am trying to say. People say we know what he have. We do not. He might surprise, he might fail. He might be very average. We will see. That is great.
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[quote=Defensewins;849270]You are wrong, I am not saying that. Clausen does not suck. He may end up being a great nfl Qb. All I am saying is you can not definitively judge a QB that has started 4 games.[/quote]Fair enough.

It is my opinion that if you start compiling all of the available evidence, you probably can judge John Beck pretty accurately. Four games? Probably not enough to say either way. Beck has been in the league five years though and has appeared in five games. Which means that some jerk of a coach (or coaches) is going out of his way to not play him. And if Shanahan names Rex the QB tomorrow, you can add him to those list of coaches who conspires secretly to not give John Beck a shot. My opinion (and its simply another opinion, like yours) is that, okay, Beck may or may not deserve to be named the QB this week, but people are expecting way too much from John Beck or the idea of John Beck.

All Beck has proven is that he deeply, truly loves the game of football. And it's hard to tell a guy like that "no, you can't play", though a bunch of NFL coaches have done exactly that. Nothing with Beck is definitive. With Grossman, sure, a lot has been shown definitively.

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Where did Redskin players say that don't think Beck is very good? I've never seen that. Sometimes Gtripp, I think you make up stuff to make a point lol.

We don't know what we can get with Beck, but we know what we are getting from Grossman, and it's not very much. I firmly believe that Beck can do no worse then what Grossman has done for us this year. I do believe that he can add another element to our offense that desperately needs it right now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849268]He's Brady Quinn. That's essentially what he is right now, Brady Quinn. A top 40 pick who has not yet found his place in the league, but it won't be with the team that drafted him. And yeah he played on a bad Dolphins team. So what. That's what happens to most good young quarterbacks on bad teams[/quote]I see what you did there. Very smooth.

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[quote=Bucket;849273]Where did Redskin players say that don't think Beck is very good? I've never seen that. Sometimes Gtripp, I think you make up stuff to make a point lol.

We don't know what we can get with Beck, but we know what we are getting from Grossman, and it's not very much. I firmly believe that Beck can do no worse then what Grossman has done for us this year. I do believe that he can add another element to our offense that desperately needs it right now.[/quote]Well if you are allowing me to speak for the Redskins players, then I really am just making stuff up. If you actually interpret their comments, then I'm just reading between the lines.

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[quote=GTripp0012;849274]I see what you did there. Very smooth.[/quote]

Um...I don't even think I see what I did there...guess you read between the lines?

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[quote=GTripp0012;849275]Well if you are allowing me to speak for the Redskins players, then I really am just making stuff up. If you actually interpret their comments, then I'm just reading between the lines.[/quote]

I must of missed these comments then. I've seen players say they follow whoever is behind center. Even Moss defended Grossman at first, but said he has faith in Beck or Grossman.

Maybe you're just a great interpreter :cool-smil


6TD/9Int and 11 total turnovers this year in 5 games. Worse rating in the NFL as a QB, and I believe he's in the bottom of the new QBR system as well... I don't think Shanny has all this faith he says he has in Grossman. I believe that Grossman is Kyle's guy and that's who he wants to play because he "won" the preseason competition.

I really do think Beck will play this year, but I have a feeling Grossman will be the starter on Sunday. A coach's meeting, and Kyle telling his dad that his guy had one bad game, etc etc...

I hope i'm wrong, and I could be because this is all opinionated guesses. For all I know, Shanny will announce Beck the starting QB because his mobility and quick release give us the best chance to win behind a injured Oline.

Who knows... All I know is on the first few snaps of the Eagles game. The roll out returned and was effective to an extent. That's the offense I wan't to see. I still watch Houston games because watching the way the offense is suppose to run is beautiful.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849278]Um...I don't even think I see what I did there...guess you read between the lines?[/quote]Yes. I agree with you.

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[quote=Defensewins;849255]Frankly I am tired of all the (I think I am an expert on QB's) on this sight that make predictions about Qb's that have barely taken and NFL snap. Cam Newton is the most obvious person to point to.
All effing off season I had to endure listening to some idiots talking about how they were 100% sure Cam Newton will be terrible in the NFL. Failure.[/quote]You don't have to endure listening to anyone on this site. You can not read their posts or put them on your Ignore List.

Declaring Newton an NFL success at QB is a bit premature at best after 6 games, a 78.3 QB rating, two 3 INT games and a 1-5 record. May he reach the potential he has, maybe? Could he still win up a colossal bust, maybe?

Scouting Reports or summaries from some "idiots":

[URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/03/29/cam-newton-scouting-report"]ProFootballWeekly.com - Cam Newton scouting report[/URL]

From the PFW link: Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room.

[URL="http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/caution-on-cam-newton-from-mayock/"]Caution on Cam Newton From Mayock - NYTimes.com[/URL]

Mayock had him rated as the third best QB.

[URL="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/03/espns-mel-kiper-compares-cam-newton-to-all-time-bust-akili-smith/1"]ESPN's Mel Kiper compares Cam Newton to all-time bust Akili Smith[/URL]

Kiper also said Newton had the "biggest upside and biggest risk".

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2011-04-12-cam-newton-sw_N.htm"]Draft's biggest wild card: Is Cam Newton a boom or a bust? - USATODAY.com[/URL]

"He has a first-round arm and first-round athleticism, but you just can't snap your fingers and say, 'He's NFL-ready,' " NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst Rob Rang said.
Added McShay: "People will ask about his one quote, that he wants to be an entertainer and icon. It raises questions about where his focus is. Do you love the game? Or do you love what the game brings you?
"It's hard to pass on Cam Newton's talent. But I think Blaine Gabbert's better."

[quote]Before that. some of those 'experts' were saying Jimmy Clausen was going to be the best pro in his draft class and he was the most pro ready Qb coming out that year. He is now third string behind rookie Cam Newton.

Beck is also unknown. He started a few games for a terrible Dolphins team. Lets give him a look. That is all I ask.[/quote]If Beck is an unknown, why is Clausen not an unknown rather than a "3rd string" failure as you infer. Another team will give Clausen a look at some point and hopefully he'll make the most of that opportunity. Currently his record is 1-9 as a starter with a 58.3 QB rate. Not good by any standard, but he improved as the year went on despite playing 7 playoff teams in 10 starts.

Let's look at the others in that class: Tebow - jury's out, but serious limitiations as a passer. We'll find out about Tebow the rest of this year.

McCoy - 4-9 record as starter, 76.3 QB rate. Done some good things, might improve with better talent around him.

Bradford - 7-14 record as starter, 75.3 QB rate. Done some good things on a horrible team. I believe he'll be a solid NFL QB, but not an elite QB.

I haven't seen anyone on this site claim to be an "expert" on NFL QBs. This is a message board and folks come here to share their thoughts and opinions. Some folks agree, some don't, that's what makes it interesting. It's awful easy to bash someone's reasoned opinion on a QB/team/whatever after the fact as "idiotic" or a "Failure", hindsight is 20/20. If you didn't step up and put out a reasoned counter-opinion in my mind you don't have any grounds to criticize.

I wouldn't definitively call people out when the jury is still out on any QBs from the 2010 & 2011 draft classes.....but that's just my opinion, I'm no expert.

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[quote=Bucket;849242]How do we know Beck wont be better, or even good? He hasn't even played a game and as far as rookies are concerned. If you treat Beck like a Rookie QB at the moment then his appearance the other day wasn't that bad.

You don't know what you will get out of Beck till he plays. Many QB's have sat on the Bench only to come in the game and prove they can play in the NFL.[/quote]

but he's 30. a 30 year old rookie is in no way impressive and probably won't light it up here after being passed on by other QB needy teams.

maybe he will, maybe he's rich gannon II, but i won't be putting money on it.

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You guys looks to much into age. This isn't Madden. You can't just have a roster full of 25 year old speedsters.

30 for a QB is still middle age and he just turned 30. He hasn't been beat up, and IF he does turn out to be a solid QB.. Then why couldn't he play here for 4-5 years while we groom a QB "Rogers Style"?

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It's not that he's 30. It's that he's 30 and has yet to prove anything.

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If I wake up tomorrow and see that Rex is starting via source... I'm going back to bed for the rest of the day.

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[quote=SmootSmack;849326]It's not that he's 30. It's that he's 30 and has yet to prove anything.[/quote]
I got a good question....when has he had opportunity to prove anything?

Rex has gotten rediculous amounts of oppertunity

Remember what our beloved Darrell Green said " No matter how much talent you have it don't mean a thing if no one gives you the opportunity"

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[quote=pg86;849347]I got a good question....when has he had opportunity to prove anything?

Rex has gotten rediculous amounts of oppertunity

Remember what our beloved Darrell Green said " No matter how much talent you have it don't mean a thing if no one gives you the opportunity"[/quote]

he's already failed in two cities. if you can't win the job, why would you think he'd be better than the guys he can't beat outright? It's not like he was sitting behind tom brady. he missed his shot in two VERY QB needy cities, and neither of those teams FO's had any problem letting him go.

step 3: winner?!?