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[quote=mooby;1170611]If you're going to make outlandish statements at least back them up. Sources please.[/quote]

Chico already posted it, its a pretty famous statement.
Post #523 in this thread.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1170613]Chico already posted it, its a pretty famous statement.
Post #523 in this thread.[/quote]

Ah, you meant the initial time when he didn't take them seriously, not afterwards when he devoted infinitely more time and resources to actually fighting them. Gotcha.

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[quote=mooby;1170614]Ah, you meant the initial time when he didn't take them seriously, not afterwards when he devoted infinitely more time and resources to actually fighting them. Gotcha.[/quote]

Yep, he certainly did better down the stretch.
He made good use of drone strikes.

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[quote=mooby;1170607]I was more referring to 2008-2010ish, when ISIS was still a relatively unknown thing, and the shitshow that was our economy was priority A. IIRC the comments about ISIS being a JV squad were made after that but I already said that's a fuckup on Obama's part, so I'm not sure what more you are looking for.

And can we please not act like being president of the most powerful country on Earth is not a full time job and then some? Idc who is President, Trump or Obama, there is a reason Obama's days were planned down to the minute. Trump seems more like a "I'm gonna wing it" kinda guy but point is, it's not like Obama was relaxing and some staffer was like "hey maybe you should check out this whole ISIS thing" and he was like, "ehhh I'll get to it when I get to it."[/quote]


Well trump framed the argument well with the Saudis and other Muslim nations...this is good vs evil. I woulda taken a step further and spoke directly to the Islamic faith and said Wahhabism is pure satanic evil shit that has poisoned your religion. Because, well it's true.

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Did anyone read about the Saudi crackdown last month?

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[quote=InsanePianist21;1182717]Did anyone read about the Saudi crackdown last month?[/quote]

Little bit...corruption crackdown is almost unheard of over there...Also another interesting change is the fact women will be able to drive in Saudi Arabia. The biggest thing holding back the Middle East is gender inequality. It’s absolutely brutal for women over there...

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[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/twitter-suspends-account-of-hardline-cleric-on-pakistan-governments-request/ar-BBPm15P?ocid=ientp[/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Bibi_blasphemy_case[/url]

Bibi was convicted of blasphemy in 2010 for allegedly making derogatory remarks about Islam after [B]neighbors objected to her drinking water from their glass [/B]because she was not Muslim. She always denied having committed blasphemy

Bibi had spent eight years on death row before the court overturned her conviction and ordered her to be freed.

further reading: Blasphemy: A Memoir: Sentenced to Death over a Cup of Water (2013, ISBN 1613748892).

ive followed this case...a small example of everything that is wrong with that culture and the middle east in general.

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[quote=Chico23231;1205960][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/twitter-suspends-account-of-hardline-cleric-on-pakistan-governments-request/ar-BBPm15P?ocid=ientp[/url]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Bibi_blasphemy_case[/url]

Bibi was convicted of blasphemy in 2010 for allegedly making derogatory remarks about Islam after [B]neighbors objected to her drinking water from their glass [/B]because she was not Muslim. She always denied having committed blasphemy

Bibi had spent eight years on death row before the court overturned her conviction and ordered her to be freed.

further reading: Blasphemy: A Memoir: Sentenced to Death over a Cup of Water (2013, ISBN 1613748892).

ive followed this case...a small example of everything that is wrong with that culture and the middle east in general.[/quote]

You'll find no argument from me on this one. I can talk shit about 'Murica all day but I'm thankful we don't live in an area like that.

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[quote=mooby;1206012]You'll find no argument from me on this one. I can talk shit about 'Murica all day but I'm thankful we don't live in an area like that.[/quote]

Its like...finally justice for her...BUT now you have very influential Clerics calling on people to kill her any chance they get.

Im hoping the state provides security and she leaves the country asap.

its insane

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[quote=Chico23231;1206016]Its like...finally justice for her...BUT now you have very influential Clerics calling on people to kill her any chance they get.

Im hoping [B]the state provides security[/B] and she leaves the country asap.

its insane[/quote]

:biggthump

This would be the equivalent of the Saudi's finding out what really happened to Kashoggi.

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The Turkish military's devastating display of power against the Syrian army last week — which saw the destruction of hundreds of regime tanks, artillery pieces and armored vehicles — came from a cheap but effective domestic drone program that NATO officials say has changed the military equation against Russia in Syria's Idlib Province.

Russia should have won this one — but it didn't

In theory, Russia would win such a conflict.

Yet Turkey won this round.

How?

Turkey has a new ace up its sleeve, one that forced Russia to think twice about escalating against President Recep Erdogan's government, military sources told Insider.

Turkey's offensive was conducted with about 100 domestically produced drones launching cheap guided munitions with deadly efficiency.

"Dropping these bomblets on Syrian regime tanks all night got Putin's attention"

While Turkey guards the exact cost of producing the Bayraktar TB2 as a state secret, it sold 12 drones and three ground command centers to Ukraine last year for $69 million. At less than $6 million per drone, the TB2 is about a third of the cost of the similarly capable US produced Reaper MQ-9, which retails for US allies at about $16 million a piece.

Turkey's President of Defence Industries İsmail Demir, in a 2016 panel discussion hosted by the Atlantic Council, lauded the U.S. restriction on drone sales for pushing Turkey to become an independent UAV manufacturer. "I don't want to be sarcastic, but I would like to thank [the U.S. government] for any of the projects that was not approved by the U.S. because it forced us to develop our own systems," Demir quipped, adding that Turkey no longer wanted U.S.-made armed drones.

"Flying dozens of these drones over Idlib and dropping these bomblets on Syrian regime tanks all night got [Russian President Vladimir] Putin's attention," said the NATO official. "Sure in a direct confrontation, Russia could use its airpower and standoff munitions like cruise missiles to breakdown Turkey's air defenses and drone command and control, but at a cost that would be inconceivable in a conflict over Idlib. Turkey knows it can't force Russia out of Syria as much as they might like to, but they did reinforce that Putin and Assad cannot force Turkey out of Idlib. So it's back to agreements and discussions for now."

Today, Turkey and Russia agreed to another ceasefire in Idlib, with Russian troops patrolling a corridor about 6km on either side of the disputed M4/5 highway that is a critical link between the regime-controlled cities of Damascus and Aleppo.

The peace will no doubt be welcomed. And among military analysts, so will the news that there are some wars that Russia is apparently not willing to fight.
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-used-weapon-syria-effective-174456745.html[/url]

Drone wars. The new proxy war frontier.

Ive read other articles about how the US is vulnerable to a swarm of hundreds of drones attacking at one time. Its been somewhat reported we have "knock down" technology but for every outpost for every part of the world where we are stationed?

This seems like something straight out of Spider-man Homecoming.

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Iranian-backed Shia militia launched 18 Katyusha rockets at Camp Taji, located 17 miles north of Baghdad -- the largest attack on U.S. troops since Iran fired ballistic missiles in early January, days after a U.S. drone strike that killed Iran's most powerful general Qassem Soleimani at Baghdad's airport. Wednesday would have reportedly been Soleimani's 63rd birthday, the same day as the attack.
[url]https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-likely-launched-attack-that-killed-americans-in-iraq-us-general[/url]

I dont pretend to know the answer with what to do with Iran and the ME. I dont like the fact that they attacked us but I dont want escalations leading to misunderstandings that cost civilians lives like with the airplane getting shot down or to all out war.

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1st time hearing about this missile. Sounds pretty bad ass. Got em!

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/world/al-qaeda-secret-us-missile-knives-hellfire-ninja-bomb[/url]

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[IMG]https://dailynewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Abu-al-Khayr-al-Masri-killed.jpg[/IMG]

Heres a photo.

It doesnt explode to reduce collateral killing.

It just has knifes pop out right before impact.

Most be accurate as hell.

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^^^^^
Best part about it is the reduction of collateral damage.

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Sounds like some Dr. Evil shit there sharks with laser beams and muddled with knives

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1253023]^^^^^
Best part about it is the reduction of collateral damage.[/quote]

I’d throw in not needing American troops for the engagement as a huge plus. Anytime we can save American lives, reduce traumatic exposure and risk of future medical co dictions is a huge plus

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1253038]I’d throw in not needing American troops for the engagement as a huge plus. Anytime we can save American lives, reduce traumatic exposure and risk of future medical co dictions is a huge plus[/quote]

Definitely!!!

I was moreso talking about just the missile itself. But I agree with above 100%.

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ISIS camps taken out...

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/world/coalition-forces-destroy-three-isis-hideouts-iraq[/url]

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[IMG]https://dailytimes.com.pk/assets/uploads/2020/07/03/unnamed.jpg[/IMG]

[url]https://dailytimes.com.pk/635209/fire-breaks-out-at-iranian-nuclear-facility-no-casualties/[/url]

The Natanz nuclear plant lost a building when fire tore through it at 2:06 a.m. local time Thursday. Satellite images beefed up the photos from ground level that slowly led Iranian officials to switch from calling the damage at the facility "limited" to "significant."
The plant has a florid history: It was the target of Israel's Stuxnet cyber attack in 2010, an attack experts believe was carried out by Israel and the United States, and a focus of the uranium enrichment activity Iran has recently restarted at a higher level since the JCPOA (or nuclear deal) finally collapsed last year. This makes its even partial damage hard to simply dismiss as a broken generator in the summer heat.
The fire came in the middle of a series of unexplained incidents at other facilities. A huge blast hit near the town of Parchin and its military complex last month. Another explosion hit the Zargan power plant in Ahvaz over the weekend and hours later, a chlorine gas leak made dozens ill in southeast Iran. There is such a thing as coincidence, and sanctions mean maintenance issues can be more frequent. But the pattern just added to the speculation around Natanz.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/middleeast/iran-nuclear-plant-fire-analysis-intl/index.html[/url]

Currently there are 7 boats that exploded in a port.

Iran is being very quiet and downplaying it. Apparently they cited to a mayor saying all is well ... but the mayor died last year.

Strange things happening.

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If you want to see how Iran supplied rockets to anti-government forces, read my book:

“CRISIS IN BAGHDAD: Leadership in a Risk Adverse Environment”

Available in Amazon. If you don’t like it, PM me and I’ll send you a refund in cash. Iran has been sticking its fingers into Iraq’s military and political affairs since 2003.

Hope anyone who gives this book a chance, really enjoys it!!

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[url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12308432/iran-humiliated-sinking-fake-us-warship-blocking-entry-port/[/url]

Iran humiliated as they completely bungle symbolic sinking of fake US warship blocking entry to main naval port


Lol...lol......lol...these fuckin guys


More good news from this trash heap of a region

[url]https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/hezbollah-looted-lebanon-and-it-will-cost-93b-to-bail-it-out-analysis-637463[/url]

Hezbollah looted Lebanon and it will cost $93b. to bail it out - analysis

And they just blew themselves up at a major port today. One day these poor people will get it.

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Not middle east .... but Ethiopia and its northern autonomous area of Tigray is on the verge of civil war. Apparently the capital city of Tigray and about 500k people are surrounded by Ethiopian military. The young nobel peace prize winning Prime Minister has given them 72 hours to leave. The Tigray leader said his people would rather die. in 2018, Tigray refused to join the political coming together when the new prime minister was elected and tried to bring peace.

2 weeks ago an airport was attacked, suspected by Tigray Liberation Army.

1 week ago, Ethiopia cut power to a city of 30k. They waited a week so everyones phones would be dead (no recording) then started bombing civilians for a few days then sent in ground troops who killed people with guns and knifes.

This is escalating quickly. I imagine any invasion and killing of civilians in this capital city will make the internet no matter what Ethiopia does.

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[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/08/pm-who-won-nobel-peace-prize-takes-ethiopia-to-brink-of-civil-war[/url]

Ive read several articles, this one gives the best overview of Ethiopia from 2018 (so much hope for their new young prime minister) to these kind of sudden events.

Really hope they dont bomb the city.

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27K Ethiopians crossed into Sudan in the last two weeks. This will become the next big global refugee crisis. This could be a big global problem.

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Humans are such piece of shits too each other. Pretty depressing.

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After seeing a piece on the Afghanistan Pipeline in relation to Keystone, I wanted to know more information. Read this link, and think of all the lives lost in Afghanistan - I think this war primarily led me to my distrust of Bush/Cheney republicans - [url]https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/magazine/entry/afghanistan_its_about_oil/[/url]

PS - this has nothing to do with Trump/Biden or current political atmosphere, it is an article that looks at Afghan policy from 1998 through the Bush years.

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On Easter Sunday, a massive explosion ripped through the top-secret Iranian nuclear weapons research facility at Natanz. There were some interesting aspects to the explosion. In a way, this was deja vu because, in July 2020, the same facility was hit by a cyberattack that damaged the centrifuge production plant inside the Natanz facility.

Of all the days available to carry out this attack, Israel chose one that coincided with a visit by the Diversity and Inclusion Commissar for the Department of Defense. And he found out about the attack at the same time as the rest of the world. The irony that one of his visit’s purposes was to ensure there was a “no surprises” policy in place concerning Iran was not lost on anyone.

How did we get to the point where our major ally in a critical and dangerous region feels it is necessary to humiliate the US Secretary of Defense (I mean other than by reading his own Critical Race Theory bullsh** to him)? We got there because of Joe Biden and his record of duplicity, both individually and collectively, in dealing with Israel when he was vice president. Matthew Brodsky, who is at some think tank I’ve never heard of, produced an epic thread on the background.

[url]https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/04/14/israel-demolishes-super-secure-iranian-nuclear-facility-and-the-biden-bunch-was-not-given-advance-warning-n360792[/url]

Netanyahu attacks Iran, doesnt give the US notice and does it on a day that neo cons can interpret as a deliberate snub to Biden.

I understand Israel has to do what it has to do but Netanyahu playing off our divisive politics shows how corrupt he is.

Israel should be careful .. i dont think most Americans want to be dragged into a war Israel started without letting his big brother know what he was up to. Wish that Benny dude could form a coalition so Netanyahu can exit.

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[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/iran-foreign-minister-john-kerry-javad-zarif-israel[/url]

Iran's foreign minister says John Kerry told him about Israeli covert operations in Syria

Kerry shocked Zarif by revealing that Israel had attacked Iranian targets in Syria more than 200 times, according to leaked audio obtained by The New York Times and other outlets.

Zarif also spoke frankly about his limited power compared to Ayatollah Ali Khameini and the blow the U.S. dealt to Iran by killing Gen. Qassem Soleimani in January 2020.


I’m sure if a past administration did this...it would be pretty loud in here. Sharing sensitive information with a state sponsor of terrorism

He should fucking resign.

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[quote=Chico23231;1282021][url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/iran-foreign-minister-john-kerry-javad-zarif-israel[/url]

Iran's foreign minister says John Kerry told him about Israeli covert operations in Syria

[/quote]

So you trust Iranian officials now? Arent you against media bias and platforms running salacious click bait headlines like "Tehran John" without investigating the story first?

The way Fox News is pimping this ... I thought they had Kerry on tape. But no .. just an iranian official saying it happened.

But hey, Im sure Fox News will run this story with 20 different headlines for a week or so and MAGAs will walk around swearing Kerry is on tape admitting to this ..

There will be a new story for what each fox news personality thinks of this, an ex CIA guy's thoughts, a low level R like Gaetz demanding an investigation, etc .. soon enough weve made sure this Kerry thing stays front page for a week.

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[quote=SunnySide;1282027]So you trust Iranian officials now? Arent you against media bias and platforms running salacious click bait headlines like "Tehran John" without investigating the story first?

The way Fox News is pimping this ... I thought they had Kerry on tape. But no .. just an iranian official saying it happened.

But hey, Im sure Fox News will run this story with 20 different headlines for a week or so and MAGAs will walk around swearing Kerry is on tape admitting to this ..

There will be a new story for what each fox news personality thinks of this, an ex CIA guy's thoughts, a low level R like Gaetz demanding an investigation, etc .. soon enough weve made sure this Kerry thing stays front page for a week.[/quote]

This is a NYT story...u probably should mention that

Lol....as expected. Imagine taken up and siding for a regime that kills their own folks in the streets. [url]https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/05/iran-details-released-of-304-deaths-during-protests-six-months-after-security-forces-killing-spree/[/url]

Poor Iran

I wonder why Israel isn’t letting the USA know things? Guess you got your answer

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[quote=SunnySide;1282027]So you trust Iranian officials now? Arent you against media bias and platforms running salacious click bait headlines like "Tehran John" without investigating the story first?

The way Fox News is pimping this ... I thought they had Kerry on tape. But no .. just an iranian official saying it happened.

But hey, Im sure Fox News will run this story with 20 different headlines for a week or so and MAGAs will walk around swearing Kerry is on tape admitting to this ..

There will be a new story for what each fox news personality thinks of this, an ex CIA guy's thoughts, a low level R like Gaetz demanding an investigation, etc .. soon enough weve made sure this Kerry thing stays front page for a week.[/quote]

This is a big deal. If true, and to be frank. it probably is, former President Obama needs to asked if he authorized it (I seriously doubt it). If it wasn't authorized, Kerry needs to be arrested.

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[quote=SunnySide;1282027]So you trust Iranian officials now? Arent you against media bias and platforms running salacious click bait headlines like "Tehran John" without investigating the story first?

The way Fox News is pimping this ... I thought they had Kerry on tape. But no .. just an iranian official saying it happened.

But hey, Im sure Fox News will run this story with 20 different headlines for a week or so and MAGAs will walk around swearing Kerry is on tape admitting to this ..

There will be a new story for what each fox news personality thinks of this, an ex CIA guy's thoughts, a low level R like Gaetz demanding an investigation, etc .. soon enough weve made sure this Kerry thing stays front page for a week.[/quote]
chico trust anything anti American, as long as it will make others look bad. Very trumpish of him ,how sad!

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[quote=nonniey;1282042]This is a big deal. If true, and to be frank. it probably is, former President Obama needs to asked if he authorized it (I seriously doubt it). If it wasn't authorized, Kerry needs to be arrested.[/quote]

What further legitimized the story is the response:

1. Red head lying bimbo White House comms, Psaki? ...yesterday refused to address it. So White House refusing to answer or be transparent (how refreshing)

2. Kerry late last night flatly denied it

3. State department speaker said this was known as well as past administration Ben Rhoads as confirmed this was known.


So if this was already known why would Kerry deny it? Why wouldn’t the white deny it?

The messaging and response has been sloppy.

What we do know is Kerry and Zafi (Iranian on leak) have a close relationship and it’s def him speaking. Why would he lie to throw Kerry under the bus before meeting about sanction relief? Because it’s true and would make zero sense

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This seems a lot like the Russia killing US troops bounty thing.

One person makes an accusation. Here the Iranian foreign minister. There some Al Qaeda captors.

Newspapers run click bait smear campaign headlines

Opposing political parties demand an investigation

Newspapers keep running click bait headlines .. based off what 1 guy said.

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[quote=SunnySide;1282120]This seems a lot like the Russia killing US troops bounty thing.

One person makes an accusation. Here the Iranian foreign minister. There some Al Qaeda captors.

Newspapers run click bait smear campaign headlines

Opposing political parties demand an investigation

Newspapers keep running click bait headlines .. based off what 1 guy said.[/quote]

You gotta a big problem tho, did you get Putin or a top ranking Russian foreign minister on tape with the Fake Russian Bounty story? Leaked audio which has been confirmed this is the Iranian dude.

This doesn’t benefit the Iranians leaking it.

I just have laugh at the response versus how the previous 4 years was handled. Just like kids in cages right? That’s fine now.

This is another scandal within the first hundred days of Biden poor start

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[quote=Chico23231;1282121]You gotta a big problem tho, did you get Putin or a top ranking Russian foreign minister on tape with the Fake Russian Bounty story? Leaked audio which has been confirmed this is the Iranian dude.

This doesn’t benefit the Iranians leaking it.

I just have laugh at the response versus how the previous 4 years was handled. Just like kids in cages right? That’s fine now.

This is another scandal within the first hundred days of Biden poor start[/quote]

both stories seemed to have 1 source .. a single non-trustworthy person saying it. Both stories had sensational headlines that downplayed the weak source

[SIZE="7"]RUSSIA PAYS BOUNTY FOR KILLING US TROOPS!![/SIZE]
[I]buried deep into the story ([I]so says an Al Qaeda prisoner[/I])[/I]

[SIZE="7"]TEHRAN JOHN!! Disclosed Covert Israeli Operations to Iran![/SIZE]
[I]so says Iranian PR spokesperson[/I]

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Both stories have media gas lighting it imo

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Amazing. Sunnyside is now worried about ethical journalism standards by the New York Times.

Prior with no admitted evidence by the media, the willingness to believe: Russian collusion, Steele dossier, Covington kid, Russian bounty’s, trump illegal deals in tax returns, kavenaugh sexual assault, etc

All proven false, without evidence but with a Iranian top official on tape about John Kerry....hey this sounds fishy.

So I guess we can conclude we absolutely should not be dealing with the Iranians on another deal who would lie about Kerry like this...and New York Times is wrong, maybe even fake news?

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Either way, the us should move to get tape and other audio. To validate everything to a T.

It’s a bad look for Kerry, who has been accused of this in the past.

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meh .. more like Sunnyside never got his panties in a bunch when CNN leaned left and Fox News leaned right.

Just odd how someone can take great offense to the media's treatment of the russia bounty thing .... then turn around and cheer on the same media tactics when it benefits their views.

In hindsight, I think you are and were right when you took offense to left leaning media taking a long lap on the russia bounty gate thing when they were more interested in salacious headlines and viewers and attacking trump vs being critical of the source.

i dont view republicans, you or fox news as my enemy.

Im pretty sure I thought they should investigate the russia bounty gate when it came out so they should look into this as well.

Since that vile narcissitic fucking fat fuck tumor of a being has been voted out ... i dont really care .. but here I am .. caring.

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[quote=SunnySide;1282153]meh .. more like Sunnyside never got his panties in a bunch when CNN leaned left and Fox News leaned right.

Just odd how someone can take great offense to the media's treatment of the russia bounty thing .... then turn around and cheer on the same media tactics when it benefits their views.

In hindsight, I think you are and were right when you took offense to left leaning media taking a long lap on the russia bounty gate thing when they were more interested in salacious headlines and viewers and attacking trump vs being critical of the source.

i dont view republicans, you or fox news as my enemy.

Im pretty sure I thought they should investigate the russia bounty gate when it came out so they should look into this as well.

Since that vile narcissitic fucking fat fuck tumor of a being has been voted out ... i dont really care .. but here I am .. caring.[/quote]

Horseshit. Again the New York Times reported it and sourced it from I believe a London based Iranian media who had the leaked audio from an interview.

Russia bounty was false and never had a source msnbc and NYT rolled with it without confirming anything. It was a lie. That again is the difference here.

Honestly with Kerry doing it y’all really don’t care. Your fine with deals with terrorist states who attack Israel or kill other Muslims there. You supported deals that specifically financed that terrorist ops and proxy wars in the last 10 years.