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sourced it? It was a 7 hour recording of a discussion the Iranian foreign minister and reporter were having.

The source is one iranian official saying it happened.

wait ... do you think they have Kerry and the iranian diplomat on tape?

If you did .. they dont. Kerry isnt recorded on any tape.

Its 1 iranian official saying it happened.

ive spent way too much effort on this ....

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1282157]Horseshit. I believe a London based Iranian media who had the leaked audio from an interview.

Surprising chico believes them but hates on US media. Typical anti American.

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[quote=SunnySide;1282160]sourced it? It was a 7 hour recording of a discussion the Iranian foreign minister and reporter were having.

The source is one iranian official saying it happened.

wait ... do you think they have Kerry and the iranian diplomat on tape?

If you did .. they dont. Kerry isnt recorded on any tape.

Its 1 iranian official saying it happened.

ive spent way too much effort on this ....[/quote]

Lol...no they don’t have Kerry on tape. Hopefully he would be arrested by now. Or on the lam on his private jet.

It’s an interview with an Iranian media group based in England with a known reporter (my understanding that’s how it’s confirmed) and it’s not a rando, it’s the top Iranian foreign minister.

So when you say it’s one person...well it’s confirmed it’s the top person in the government. On the tape, he (top foreign minister) specifically says that’s “off the record” about certain pieces of information.

The New York Times reviewed the audio and printed the story off it and confirmed with the reporter with the agency.

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[quote=Giantone;1282161][QUOTE=Chico23231;1282157]Horseshit. I believe a London based Iranian media who had the leaked audio from an interview.

Surprising chico believes them but hates on US media. Typical anti American.[/quote]

Lol..this is great.

+1

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[quote=Chico23231;1282165]Lol...no they don’t have Kerry on tape. Hopefully he would be arrested by now. Or on the lam on his private jet.

It’s an interview with an Iranian media group based in England with a known reporter (my understanding that’s how it’s confirmed) and it’s not a rando, it’s the top Iranian foreign minister.

So when you say it’s one person...well it’s confirmed it’s the top person in the government. On the tape, he (top foreign minister) specifically says that’s “off the record” about certain pieces of information.

The New York Times reviewed the audio and printed the story off it and confirmed with the reporter with the agency.[/quote]
Why do you hate America so much ?

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[quote=Chico23231;1282166][quote=Giantone;1282161]

Lol..this is great.

+1[/quote]

Sad chico .

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/06/24/afghanistan-taliban-surge-us-withdrawal-robertson-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn[/url]

^^ video of Afghan military surrendering and giving american military vehicles and big guns to the Taliban.

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The Taliban now controls roughly a third of all 421 districts and district centres in Afghanistan.

Gains in northeastern Badakhshan province in recent days have mostly come to the armed group without a battle, said Mohib-ul Rahman, a provincial council member. He blamed Taliban successes on the poor morale of troops who are mostly outnumbered and lacking supplies.

“Unfortunately, the majority of the districts were left to Taliban without any fight,” said Rahman. In the last three days, 10 districts fell to Taliban, eight without a fight, he said.

Hundreds of Afghan soldiers, police and intelligence troops surrendered their military outposts and fled to the Badakhshan provincial capital of Faizabad, said Rahman.

Even as a security meeting was being held early on Sunday to plot the strengthening of the perimeter around Faizabad, some senior provincial officials were leaving the city for the Afghan capital Kabul, he said.

In late June, the Afghan government resurrected volunteer militias with a reputation of brutal violence to support the beleaguered Afghan forces but Rahman said many of the fighters in the Badakhshan districts put up only a half-hearted fight.

[url]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/4/taliban-seizes-key-districts-in-afghanistan-as-govt-forces-flee[/url]


Well ... looks like the Taliban can take over as much or all of Afghanistan if it wants to. If they take over the entire country theyd probably be stretched to thin and I dont imagine any country would give the Taliban foreign aid.

Probably be best for them to let the govt have control over Kabul so they can just take any foreign aid given to the "afghan govt"

My american beer drinking view from across the pond ... afghan govt and people didnt do nearly enough to support our efforts to oust the Taliban and actually worked against us. If they thought wed stay there forever just taking on huge debt and lives .. they gambled and lost.

i feel bad for the women and children and i am 100% sure the USA will get blamed for what may come, but the blame lays solely at the feet of their men, their fathers, their husbands, uncles etc.

the world is a brutal place

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[quote=SunnySide;1285605][url]https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/06/24/afghanistan-taliban-surge-us-withdrawal-robertson-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn[/url]

^^ video of Afghan military surrendering and giving american military vehicles and big guns to the Taliban.

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The Taliban now controls roughly a third of all 421 districts and district centres in Afghanistan.

Gains in northeastern Badakhshan province in recent days have mostly come to the armed group without a battle, said Mohib-ul Rahman, a provincial council member. He blamed Taliban successes on the poor morale of troops who are mostly outnumbered and lacking supplies.

“Unfortunately, the majority of the districts were left to Taliban without any fight,” said Rahman. In the last three days, 10 districts fell to Taliban, eight without a fight, he said.

Hundreds of Afghan soldiers, police and intelligence troops surrendered their military outposts and fled to the Badakhshan provincial capital of Faizabad, said Rahman.

Even as a security meeting was being held early on Sunday to plot the strengthening of the perimeter around Faizabad, some senior provincial officials were leaving the city for the Afghan capital Kabul, he said.

In late June, the Afghan government resurrected volunteer militias with a reputation of brutal violence to support the beleaguered Afghan forces but Rahman said many of the fighters in the Badakhshan districts put up only a half-hearted fight.

[url]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/4/taliban-seizes-key-districts-in-afghanistan-as-govt-forces-flee[/url]


Well ... looks like the Taliban can take over as much or all of Afghanistan if it wants to. If they take over the entire country theyd probably be stretched to thin and I dont imagine any country would give the Taliban foreign aid.

Probably be best for them to let the govt have control over Kabul so they can just take any foreign aid given to the "afghan govt"

My american beer drinking view from across the pond ... [B]afghan govt and people didnt do nearly enough to support our efforts to oust the Taliban and actually worked against us. If they thought wed stay there forever just taking on huge debt and lives .. they gambled and lost.

i feel bad for the women and children and i am 100% sure the USA will get blamed for what may come, but the blame lays solely at the feet of their men, their fathers, their husbands, uncles etc. [/B]

the world is a brutal place[/quote]

💯💯💯💯💯

The Afghani governemnt, army, and men either are too weak to fight for their country or they are indifferent to their government or taliban ruling the country.

They will need a civil war if they want a country ran by a real government they vote for.

It is not America's job any longer to bleed money we don't have and bleed the lives of our military that have died WAY more than enough in that country.

We get blamed regardless. I prefer to get blamed while saving money and american lives.

This is true for most of the middle east and parts of Africa.

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Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11

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[quote=Chico23231;1287287]Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11[/quote]

Yet you supported it when trump said he would do it .

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Afghanistan was a shit hole before 2001, it's been a shit hole since 2001, and will be a shit hole long after 2021.

They need to get some shovels and start digging. It is not our problem. We can help with legit humanitarian efforts but military efforts should be done with.

They need to step up or let Taliban run their country and live stuck in the past forever. Many countries in the ME will need to have some civil wars to get rid of the terrorists groups that try to run them.

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[quote=Chico23231;1287287]Biden withdrawal in Afghanistan is looking like an outright disaster.

It’s gonna be a helluva thing what the country will look like on the 20 year anniversary of 9/11[/quote]

Ironic how this is all Biden's fault, why didn't God Emporer Trump safely withdraw us while simultaneously beefing up the Afghan army?

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[quote=mooby;1287298]Ironic how this is all Biden's fault, why didn't God Emporer Trump safely withdraw us while simultaneously beefing up the Afghan army?[/quote]

Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1287319]Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.[/QUOTE]


You never cease to amaze me. I just don’t know if you’re trolling or drunk or watching Faux news. Probably a combination of all three.
What color is the sky in your world Chico?

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[quote=punch it in;1287329]You never cease to amaze me. I just don’t know if you’re trolling or drunk or watching Faux news. Probably a combination of all three.
What color is the sky in your world Chico?[/quote]

Here is the border illegal crossing numbers from the most liberal news rag:

[url]https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027213073/u-s-encounters-an-unprecedented-number-of-migrants-dhs-says-its-complicated[/url]

Just look at the numbers…historic, record. And guest what? Minors are being housed in cages. Period.

Those are the facts.
Here is another fact:

Biden has been wrong on almost every U.S. foreign policy and national security issue of the last 40 years (not my words, ask the ex U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates).

Afghanistan is a disaster right now…that’s a fact. We could be facing another Middle East genocide ala ISIS which happened on Obama watch. Obama was responsible for that.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1287336]Here is the border illegal crossing numbers from the most liberal news rag:

[url]https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027213073/u-s-encounters-an-unprecedented-number-of-migrants-dhs-says-its-complicated[/url]

Just look at the numbers…historic, record. And guest what? Minors are being housed in cages. Period.

Those are the facts.
Here is another fact:

Biden has been wrong on almost every U.S. foreign policy and national security issue of the last 40 years (not my words, ask the ex U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates).

Afghanistan is a disaster right now…that’s a fact. We could be facing another Middle East genocide ala ISIS which happened on Obama watch. Obama was responsible for that.[/QUOTE]


Remember when Trump had our allies, the Kurds , slaughtered on the battlefield and you talked about the Mets?

Remember when he pissed off every ally we had in the world, or when he cozied up to every dictator, and you talked about the weather?

Remember when he kept lying about defeating and wiping out ISIS by tweeting he wiped out ISIS and you wanted to give him the nobel peace prize but it turned out to be a lie so you talked about the weather at the Mets game?

It doesn’t matter what you call facts, or what quote you dig up - Biden will never ever be the disaster Trump was. Not with Covid. Not with foreign policy. Not with anything. I know it is a hard pill to swallow Chico but you have 7 more years to choke it down. I know you can do it if you stop fighting with the real world.

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Trump brought stability to the Middle East, as soon as the buffoon Biden took office it’s been back to normal…a complete shit show.

And Trump did wipe out ISIS…jeez man. Look at the IsIs land map pre 2015 and post 2017. Trump crushed isis and killed Russian mercenaries on the battlefield.

Biden foreign policy is already failing ala Obama legacy

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1287353]Trump brought stability to the Middle East, as soon as the buffoon Biden took office it’s been back to normal…a complete shit show.

And Trump did wipe out ISIS…jeez man. Look at the IsIs land map pre 2015 and post 2017. Trump crushed isis and killed Russian mercenaries on the battlefield.

Biden foreign policy is already failing ala Obama legacy[/QUOTE]


HAHAHAHAHA. Needed that man. Good stuff.
Too bad Twitter isn’t a good source for historians or you would be spot on. Dont forget how he stopped North Korea from firing missiles either. HAHAHA. Oh man. Trump bought stability to the middle east and wiped out isis and killed the Russians. HAHAHAHA. This is being quoted for posterity.

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For anyone interested in the real world and not Chicos stoned ass version…

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-middle-east-legacy/2020/11/22/4563bec2-2a7d-11eb-8fa2-06e7cbb145c0_story.html[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1287341]Remember when Trump had our allies, the Kurds , slaughtered on the battlefield and you talked about the Mets?

Remember when he pissed off every ally we had in the world, or when he cozied up to every dictator, and you talked about the weather?

Remember when he kept lying about defeating and wiping out ISIS by tweeting he wiped out ISIS and you wanted to give him the nobel peace prize but it turned out to be a lie so you talked about the weather at the Mets game?

It doesn’t matter what you call facts, or what quote you dig up - Biden will never ever be the disaster Trump was. Not with Covid. Not with foreign policy. Not with anything. I know it is a hard pill to swallow Chico but you have 7 more years to choke it down. I know you can do it if you stop fighting with the real world.[/quote]

I remember all that, he was a total shit and the worst president since before the Civil War.

Now for subject at hand Biden totally screwed up in Afghanistan, (Oh and yes Trump was planning to make the same damn screw up), but Trump's across the board ineptitude doesn't excuse Biden's on this issue.

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We should have stayed in Afghanistan until 3021!

FFS, there was never going to be the "right" time to leave there. There for 20 years and the country folded in weeks.

They either don't care about their country or prefer the Taliban.

I'll likely never agree with Biden on anything else, but I like this choice. We aren't the world's babysitters.

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[quote=Chico23231;1287319]Ha…no. This is the Biden administration plan and executing strategy with his commanders. This is his direct leadership

This is another policy created humanitarian crisis just like at the southern border.

JFC…Biden’s direct policy decisions have caused both, period.[/quote]

I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1287360]We should have stayed in Afghanistan until 3021!

FFS, there was never going to be the "right" time to leave there. There for 20 years and the country folded in weeks.

They either don't care about their country or prefer the Taliban.

I'll likely never agree with Biden on anything else, but I like this choice. We aren't the world's babysitters.[/quote]

I partly agree, at some point the non-Taliban Afghanis had to know we were going to leave and they should've prepared accordingly.

It's just not feasible to keep wasting lives and money over there with no end in sight.

Sucks for those that don't want to live under Taliban rule. Hopefully we can save as many of the translators and families as possible.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1287360]We should have stayed in Afghanistan until 3021!

FFS, there was never going to be the "right" time to leave there. There for 20 years and the country folded in weeks.

They either don't care about their country or prefer the Taliban.

I'll likely never agree with Biden on anything else, but I like this choice. We aren't the world's babysitters.[/quote]

20years??? We've been there since 1980 helping them fight the Russians then the Taliban.

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[quote=Chico23231;1287353]Trump brought stability to the Middle East, as soon as the buffoon Biden took office it’s been back to normal…a complete shit show.

And Trump did wipe out ISIS…jeez man. Look at the IsIs land map pre 2015 and post 2017. Trump crushed isis and killed Russian mercenaries on the battlefield.

Biden foreign policy is already failing ala Obama legacy[/quote]

FFS???

[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmjinK05ANPydT42QzL1AvNKMaHA4CTY3zfQ&usqp=CAU[/IMG]

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[quote=mooby;1287379]I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.[/quote]


All in agreement? No we weren't. Under Obama, the decision was made to use Special Forces and a limited presence to deny the Taliban control of Afghanistan . This worked - we got to the point were costs and more importantly the casualties were low (to the point where fewer were dying or being injured than in normal training). Biden decided to go with the Trump plan.

America forgot what we went there in the first place for. (If you have one of those 9/11 never forget bumper stickers on your car tear it off). [url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/potential-al-qaeda-resurgence-afghanistan-worries-u-s-officials-n1276614[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1287385]FFS???

[IMG]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmjinK05ANPydT42QzL1AvNKMaHA4CTY3zfQ&usqp=CAU[/IMG][/quote]

Trump did have significant success when it came to Israel and a little bit more success in Iraq than Obama (which is not saying much) but he screwed up badly in Syria and was planning on making the same screw up Biden did in Afghanistan.

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[quote=mooby;1287379]I thought we were all in agreement that we wanted an end to endless wars.

Well this is how it happens.

For the record I agree, despite the previous admin's shortcomings and complete lack of respect for the job the translators did, Biden should've come up with a plan to safely evacuate all of them. But at the same time, I'm glad they're doing something about it now.[/quote]

No…it doesn’t end with genocide and a humanitarian crisis. This has nothing to do with Trump. You honestly think is about translators

Biden solely owns this disaster.

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[quote=Chico23231;1287391]No…it doesn’t end with genocide and a humanitarian crisis. This has nothing to do with Trump. You honestly think is about translators

[B]Biden solely owns this disaster.[/B][/quote]

I just can't.

I have too much respect for this forum to tell you how little respect I have for you right now.

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[quote=nonniey;1287388][B]All in agreement? No we weren't.[/B] Under Obama, the decision was made to use Special Forces and a limited presence to deny the Taliban control of Afghanistan . This worked - we got to the point were costs and more importantly the casualties were low (to the point where fewer were dying or being injured than in normal training). Biden decided to go with the Trump plan.

America forgot what we went there in the first place for. (If you have one of those 9/11 never forget bumper stickers on your car tear it off). [url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/potential-al-qaeda-resurgence-afghanistan-worries-u-s-officials-n1276614[/url][/quote]

Cool. I concede that argument, and raise the other argument that the majority of Americans (that's 51% or over if you need numbers) are in agreement that we can't keep wasting money and American lives in Aghanistan.

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[YT]9DLuALBnolM[/YT]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1287403][YT]9DLuALBnolM[/YT][/quote]

I needed that, thank you.

Oil? Whose talkin about oil? Bitch you cookin?

The Iraq/Afghanistan wars accomplished what they wanted to accomplish, which was make a whole bunch of contractors a whole bunch of money. Yes, there was endless waste, including corrupt officials getting paid, and sure plenty of soldiers and Afghani civilians died (with even more yet to come) but in the end some companies made some money, which is what America is all about anyways.

I can sleep better at night knowing Eric Prince sleeps on a bed of money.

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[quote=mooby;1287401]Cool. I concede that argument, and raise the other argument that the majority of Americans (that's 51% or over if you need numbers) are in agreement that we can't keep wasting money and American lives in Aghanistan.[/quote]

Yeah I know but my last statement stands - America did forget. Just add the never forget slogan to the dustbin that holds the never again slogan (How many genocides have occurred since 1945?).

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[quote=nonniey;1287420]Yeah I know but my last statement stands - America did forget. Just add the never forget slogan to the dustbin that holds the never again slogan [B](How many genocides have occurred since 1945?[/B]).[/quote]

There's one happening in China right now, but we look the other way because we're too reliant on China as a country to even consider serious repercussions for their slaughter of Uighurs.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1287420]Yeah I know but my last statement stands - America did forget. Just add the never forget slogan to the dustbin that holds the never again slogan (How many genocides have occurred since 1945?).[/QUOTE]


About 10 or 11.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1287360]We should have stayed in Afghanistan until 3021!

FFS, there was never going to be the "right" time to leave there. There for 20 years and the country folded in weeks.

They either don't care about their country or prefer the Taliban.

I'll likely never agree with Biden on anything else, but I like this choice. We aren't the world's babysitters.[/quote]

We agree .

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This is the biggest foreign policy embarrassment of my lifetime.

The cowardly action of Biden to take an extended vacation and now for lying cunt Jen Psaki to abruptly take a week vacation…simply to not have to answer for the greatest foreign debacle.

This is your President….as the border gets overrun he hides, avoids interaction…as Afghanistan is overrun he hides and refuses fo answer questions

The adults are back? Fuckin clown and fuck his defenders. Own it

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[yt]XMwBwVYdUvE[/yt]

Good watch. "The Hashish Army"

There's no way our military leaders who trained these soldiers didn't know they would fold as soon as we packed up.

There's no way this army wasn't stoned off their asses half the time, [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/p56tvm/training_of_the_afghan_army_by_us_led_nato_forces/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3"]look at how they execute jumping jacks[/URL].

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This is an epic failure. Look how the previous administration left the Middle East and what’s going on now.

Saigon on steroids…look at the airport in Kabal

And Cowardness by Biden to hide at this time is truly amazing. Adults are back!

Look forward to see General Milley thought on this or is he still worried about white rage? Fuckin disgraceful clown. He’s responsible for this as well and should step down

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1287497]This is an epic failure. Look how the previous administration left the Middle East and what’s going on now.

Saigon on steroids…look at the airport in Kabal

And Cowardness by Biden to hide at this time is truly amazing. Adults are back!

Look forward to see General Milley thought on this or is he still worried about white rage? Fuckin disgraceful clown. He’s responsible for this as well and should step down[/QUOTE]


Dis you copy and paste this from Trumps own personal blog page? WHAT DO U NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT TRUMP WAS GOING TO DO THIS MAY 1 BUT HE LOST THE ELECTION SO BIDEN FOLLOWED THROUGH AND NO THE TALIBAN WAS NOT GOING TO HONOR THEIR AGREEMENT WITH YOUR MESSIAH?