Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=Paintrain;648123]The only 2 teams I'd see that Campbell may not be the unquestioned starter in '10 on are the Bucs because they're committed to Josh Freeman and the Seahawks because Hasselbeck is still there.

Debates like this REALLY make me question the football acumen of some fans. Campbell's not going to any Pro Bowls but he's not Joey Harrington or Rex Grossman either. Not being able to see value in players that aren't superstars is basics in being a football fan vs. a Madden head with a rooting interest in a particular team.

*EDIT* ^...and my point is made for me.[/quote]

I agree that JC is better than Harrington & Grossman (although Grossman went to a Super Bowl and JC hasnt even come close) is he really an upgrade? I think the answer in most cases is no. That said, he also not a downgrade, he just a lateral move. Like I said, he'd start but the team wont take off because they will have an inaccurate passer, who's a slow decision maker with no pocket presence at QB. That will get a team through a season but it wont take them where they hope to go.

JC is just a younger version of Gus Ferrotte. He'll hang around the league and make a decent career but nobody will know what team he's playing for.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648101]Campbell would be a #2 or a #3 on all of those teams, except maybe the Raiders. Campbell could definitely find work of some kind in the NFL, but the skins are the most attractive option to him. Zorn may end up win Cleaveland, but there's no way in hell he'll want anything to do with Campbell there.[/quote]

What are you talking about, he would without a doubt start in Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina, Tampa, and St. Louis.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;648138]What are you talking about, he would without a doubt start in Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina, Tampa, and St. Louis.[/quote]

Moore is the guy in Carolina and Tampa has Freeman.. Oakland just becuz they are horrible lol..

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;648138]What are you talking about, he would without a doubt start in Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina, Tampa, and St. Louis.[/quote]

Cleaveland - Campbell is not better than Brady Quinn and its a toss up with Derek Anderson. Cleaveland's offensive line is worse than ours, if you handn't noticed.

Oakland - if you paid attention, I said he would possibly start there.

Carolina - Do you watch football other than the redskins? Matt Moore's been playing extremely well in Carolina and has the support of his team. Unless there's a coaching change, Moore will be the starter in 2010.

Tampa Bay - The just team spent a 1st round pick on Freeman. He'll be their starter in 2010.

St Louis - St. Louis is unquestionably drafting a QB with their 1st round pick. Its possible they could bring Campbell in and start him the first few weeks, but the pressure would be to high to start whomever they draft by the end of the season.

In general, some of you give Campbell way too much credit. On a GOOD DAY, he's a mediocre QB. On most days, he's below mediocre. Give me a list of current starting QBs in the league who have started atleast the number of games Campbell has and i garauntee you Campbell will be one of the worst, if not the worst, in the group.

He's been inconsistent his entire career - even when he's had a good line in front of him. Yes, he's thrown for over 3,000 yards this year, but almost none of his passes go for more than 5 yards... I'd say atleast 80% of the yards padding his stats are YAC. He holds on to the ball way too long, makes boneheaded plays with regularity, and is just not a good - or even average- QB for someone with his level of NFL experience.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648149]Cleaveland - [B]Campbell is not better than Brady Quinn[/B] and its a toss up with Derek Anderson. Cleaveland's offensive line is worse than ours, if you handn't noticed.

Oakland - if you paid attention, I said he would possibly start there.

Carolina - Do you watch football other than the redskins? Matt Moore's been playing extremely well in Carolina and has the support of his team. Unless there's a coaching change, Moore will be the starter in 2010.

Tampa Bay - The just team spent a 1st round pick on Freeman. He'll be their starter in 2010.

St Louis - St. Louis is unquestionably drafting a QB with their 1st round pick. Its possible they could bring Campbell in and start him the first few weeks, but the pressure would be to high to start whomever they draft by the end of the season.

In general, some of you give Campbell way too much credit. On a GOOD DAY, he's a mediocre QB. On most days, he's below mediocre. Give me a list of current starting QBs in the league who have started atleast the number of games Campbell has and i garauntee you Campbell will be one of the worst, if not the worst, in the group.

He's been inconsistent his entire career - even when he's had a good line in front of him. Yes, he's thrown for over 3,000 yards this year, but almost none of his passes go for more than 5 yards... I'd say atleast 80% of the yards padding his stats are YAC. He holds on to the ball way too long, makes boneheaded plays with regularity, and is just not a good - or even average- QB for someone with his level of NFL experience.[/quote]

I pretty much stopped reading right there. Quinn is awful at this point.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648149]Cleaveland - Campbell is not better than Brady Quinn and its a toss up with Derek Anderson. Cleaveland's offensive line is worse than ours, if you handn't noticed.

Oakland - if you paid attention, I said he would possibly start there.

Carolina - Do you watch football other than the redskins? Matt Moore's been playing extremely well in Carolina and has the support of his team. Unless there's a coaching change, Moore will be the starter in 2010.

Tampa Bay - The just team spent a 1st round pick on Freeman. He'll be their starter in 2010.

St Louis - St. Louis is unquestionably drafting a QB with their 1st round pick. Its possible they could bring Campbell in and start him the first few weeks, but the pressure would be to high to start whomever they draft by the end of the season.

In general, some of you give Campbell way too much credit. On a GOOD DAY, he's a mediocre QB. On most days, he's below mediocre. Give me a list of current starting QBs in the league who have started atleast the number of games Campbell has and i garauntee you Campbell will be one of the worst, if not the worst, in the group.

He's been inconsistent his entire career - even when he's had a good line in front of him. Yes, he's thrown for over 3,000 yards this year, but almost none of his passes go for more than 5 yards... I'd say atleast 80% of the yards padding his stats are YAC. He holds on to the ball way too long, makes boneheaded plays with regularity, and is just not a good - or even average- QB for someone with his level of NFL experience.[/quote]

Cleveland-Worse than ours? Interesting since it features two first round picks in Thomas and Mack, and a free-agent they spent a lot of money on in Steinbach

Oakland-If he can't beat out Russell in a fair competition, he should just retire

Carolina-Moore is playing well, but that's not to say Campbell couldn't pretty easily start over him

Tampa Bay-Agreed. But...if they make a coaching change all bets are off

St. Louis-No guarantee they'll take a QB in the first round

Campbell isn't a bad quarterback. I'm one of those who wants us to move forward without him, but I'm not going to make the guy worse than he is just to feel better about my opinion.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648149]Cleaveland - Campbell is not better than Brady Quinn and its a toss up with Derek Anderson. Cleaveland's offensive line is worse than ours, if you handn't noticed.

Oakland - if you paid attention, I said he would possibly start there.

Carolina - Do you watch football other than the redskins? Matt Moore's been playing extremely well in Carolina and has the support of his team. Unless there's a coaching change, Moore will be the starter in 2010.

Tampa Bay - The just team spent a 1st round pick on Freeman. He'll be their starter in 2010.

St Louis - St. Louis is unquestionably drafting a QB with their 1st round pick. Its possible they could bring Campbell in and start him the first few weeks, but the pressure would be to high to start whomever they draft by the end of the season.

In general, some of you give Campbell way too much credit. On a GOOD DAY, he's a mediocre QB. On most days, he's below mediocre. Give me a list of current starting QBs in the league who have started atleast the number of games Campbell has and i garauntee you Campbell will be one of the worst, if not the worst, in the group.

He's been inconsistent his entire career - even when he's had a good line in front of him. Yes, he's thrown for over 3,000 yards this year, but almost none of his passes go for more than 5 yards... I'd say atleast 80% of the yards padding his stats are YAC. He holds on to the ball way too long, makes boneheaded plays with regularity, and is just not a good - or even average- QB for someone with his level of NFL experience.[/quote]


Finally someone that's not a Campbell HOMER!!! Geez I agree 100
%, I guess that dude doesn't watch much football or he just wants to have a below avg QB for ever lol. JC Sucks folks and I kept backing him all season and I even admitted that I was wrong about him and Cutler (Atleast Cutler throws TD'S). JC is having a career year LMAO (18Td's) GET OUT OF HERE!:Flush:

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=Mattyk;648151]I pretty much stopped reading right there. Quinn is awful at this point.[/quote]

To use excuses we have heard for another QB who shall remain nameless, its hard to tell how good he is or how good he can be because he's stuck on a terrible team. If he had better blocking and more weapons it could be better determined if he can be successful.

I'm also not sure JC could start on Oak as Gradkowski looks decent at times (kind of like JC). Had he not been injured in the game vs the Skins I think Oak might have won.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

Just read an article on ESPN.Com that said we are likely not bringing Campbell back (no shocker there). You have to be subscribed to it though to read it but it's right on point about the future of this organization.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=Paintrain;648129]True, I could see Zorn going back there as QB coach if he doesn't go to Cleveland with Holmgren so there may be a fit.[/quote]

The last place Campbell will end up is wherever zorn lands. To me, its clearly apparent that Zorn doesn't believe Campbell has what it takes.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=Mattyk;648151]I pretty much stopped reading right there. Quinn is awful at this point.[/quote]

Cleavlelands O-line is awful... worse than ours even. The same excuses people want to make for Campbell after 5 years and 50+ starts could apply to Quinn at 3 years and about a dozen starts. Campbell wasn't much better than Quinn at the same point in his career and Campbell was benefitting from a much more talented coaching staff and surrounding cast of players at the time. Campbell's exhausted all his excuses. Quinn still has plenty of them. I don't think that Quinn is ever going to be a great QB, but he's got more of a chance to be a good one than Campbell does.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;648169]Just read an article on ESPN.Com that said we are likely not bringing Campbell back (no shocker there). You have to be subscribed to it though to read it but it's right on point about the future of this organization.[/quote]

I saw it and think its just speculation. ESPN also had an article entitled "Brennan to start in 2010?" or something like that. ESPNs subsciber content is a complete joke.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;647315]Simple yes or no.

No caveats. No "only as a backup" No "only get rid of him if we can get at least a 2nd rounder back" No "what are the cap implications"

None of that. Do you want Jason Campbell on the Redskins in 2010.

Yes or no?

I've come to the conclusion that my answer is no. I like Campbell and think he can be very good one day. But I want great, and I'm no longer convinced he can be.[/quote]

I want him back, but also want the Skins to use their first pick on a QB. The number one ingredient to winning a super bowl is an elite QB - Manning, Warner, Brady, Elway, etc. Yes, you can win with the Dilfers, Elis and Big Bens of the world (although I think he's closer to the elite category), but they are more the exception than the rule. There are going to be some QBs in next year's draft that go onto greatness. I think we need to take a shot at getting one.

The O line can be fixed with other draft picks and via free agency. Trade Cooley for picks and grab a RB and Free Safety.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=Mattyk;648080]Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams[/quote]
If Zorn goes to Cleveland do you expect them to continue the Quinn project under his wing?

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648174]I saw it and think its just speculation. ESPN also had an article entitled "Brennan to start in 2010?" or something like that. ESPNs subsciber content is a complete joke.[/quote]
Agreed -- seems like it's mostly rumors and I don't have to pay for PFT and BleacherReport.