That's what I figured. More histrionics. This needs to be a serious, rational discussion.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;977675]You say there are too many but you dont explain what that means.
You say that there is too much.
How can you expect that not to be taken as per person?[/quote]

Because I didn't say that. That's how.

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[quote=RedskinRat;977676]That's what I figured. More histrionics. This needs to be a serious, rational discussion.[/quote]

Then provide some yourself. No one is stopping you.

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[quote=firstdown;977501]It had also dropped that much prior to the bann so what does that prove.[/quote]

Actually the study which claimed that homicide rates in Australia dropped prior to the Aussie gun ban has been debunked as a false put-on created by the gun lobby.

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[quote=NC_Skins;977496]
How about we address the real problems at hand. Mental health and media. They play more of a factor here than do the availability of guns. These people are doing this merely for the attention it will bring to them once they are gone.[/quote]

Certainly we need to get a better hold on the roles of mental health and the media in gun violence.

But it is also true that if we also take guns off of the streets, then people would be forced to find less lethal ways to seek "attention."

Anyone watching CNN right now. Piers Morgan - i have never seen two people argue and insult each other like this. Its about gun control btw.

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[quote=Lotus;977703]Certainly we need to get a better hold on the roles of mental health and the media in gun violence.

But it is also true that if we also take guns off of the streets, then people would be forced to find less lethal ways to seek "attention."[/quote]

No, they will just find alternative lethal ways to seek attention.
There are so many ways to go about this I fail to see how you can predict they will be less lethal.
Tim McVeigh didnt need any firearms.

[QUOTE=punch it in;977704]Anyone watching CNN right now. Piers Morgan - i have never seen two people argue and insult each other like this. Its about gun control btw.[/QUOTE]

Piers Morgan really can be a POS. Not Bill Maher level, but a real dick. Its like Rush or Bill, from the other side.

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;977656]Exactly!
My guns have only one purpose too, to make holes in paper at 100 and 50 yards. To say that their only purpose is to kill is pretty foolish.[/QUOTE]

Missing the point really. Maybe we need to talk about how guns make it easier to kill than other weapons. Its quicker, more painless and efficient. You are pressing a trigger from yards away...kinda makes it easier to desensitize yourself.

It's a combination of capacity and easy of doing significant harm.

Why not make holes in paper using an air rifle or something? Why does it have to be bullets? If your answer is because I can, feels good, murica, etc. then I can't talk to you.

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[quote=Lotus;977703]Certainly we need to get a better hold on the roles of mental health and the media in gun violence.

But it is also true that if we also take guns off of the streets, then people would be forced to find less lethal ways to seek "attention."[/quote]

We're never taking all guns off the street. That's not gonna happen. How could we even do it?

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[quote=hooskins;977764]Missing the point really. Maybe we need to talk about how guns make it easier to kill than other weapons. Its quicker, more painless and efficient. You are pressing a trigger from yards away...kinda makes it easier to desensitize yourself.

It's a combination of capacity and easy of doing significant harm.

Why not make holes in paper using an air rifle or something? Why does it have to be bullets? If your answer is because I can, feels good, murica, etc. then I can't talk to you.[/quote]

It doesnt have to a "bullet", but thats what I choose.
I'm doing somehting quite harmless. And quite legal.

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[quote=Lotus;977703]But it is also true that if we also take guns off of the streets, then people would be forced to find less lethal ways to seek "attention."[/quote]

I disagree, not surprisingly. Guns are not going to magically disappear, we have to find a way to identify a potential abuser and stop them. It always seems that there are plenty of people after the fact that will attest to 'creepy eyes' or extremely anti-social behavior yet the amount of intervention by society in general and mental health professionals in particular is lacking.

There will always be a way to create a sensationalized event, using poison, explosives, even interfering with a freeway or railroad track.

If only we had Skynet's behavioral prediction model to help......[COLOR=White] j/K[/COLOR]

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OMG im never giving up my gun...every time i hear someone say this it makes me cringe

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[quote=dmek25;977800]OMG im never giving up my gun...every time i hear someone say this it makes me cringe[/quote]

Because you didn't have a gun in the first place?

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[quote=RedskinRat;977534]You did:

FRPLG: [I]".....but guns are absolutely part of the problem. Or more accurately [U][B]the fact that we own so many guns in this country[/B][/U] is an indicator of a deeper problem that is caused by many different things. But the pro-gun crowd seems to want to[U][B] ignore the "fact" that we own TOO MANY guns in this country[/B][/U]. Perhaps gun control isn't the answer to effectively [U][B]reducing[/B][/U] them but we do need to [U][B]reduce[/B][/U] them." [/I][/quote]

Too many guns. I have a buddy who has probably 20 to 30 guns which he and his father have collected over the years. Those guns are in a safe and will not harm a single person. The gang banger who has one gun has one too many so whats the correct number?