Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1220803]I wonder if Jay has any pull on who his QB is, I mean this guy has not had much help from the fucking F/O. Let Kirk walk, get Alex who really never fit the system Jay loves to run. Now you go out and trade for a career back-up who had a miracle 2017 season that really was just an Avg year for 90% of the QB's. It seems like they really want to set Jay up for failure. Jay said he knows the urgency in finding a QB, and Bruce says "we are ok with Case and Colt"[/quote]

Finlay said on today's podcast that Jay is feeling the pressure and expects him to unload this year about the player selection and acquisition dysfunction in the front office.

The gist was, if Jay is going out, he isn't going to take the blame for all the FO crap.

Finlay gave crowder as an example. He said Jay wanted to spend the money to keep him as a weapon but was over ruled by the FO.

He also mentioned a little heat with Bruce (of course), but also with Doug. Finlay said Doug is viewed as making personnel decisions without having to worry about the consequences of passing up talent.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

After reading up on the draft QBs, I don't want any of the top 3 anyways. Jones from Duke would be sufficient, or that guy from wv. The other 3 are just as much a gamble at a much higher cost. I really don't know of any other qb in the entire draft that has starting potential other than these top 5

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

I also hear Josh Rosen sucks, why else would a losing team that traded up for him give up on him, when his cap is still low after only 10 months this screams to me "bad hire" I don't buy this he would be a top choice stuff. If he was, people would easily give up a high first, especially considering he's a starting nfl qb. Something doesn't add up. Tired of adopting other teams problems and also paying for it financially. I could be wrong and hope I am if the skins get Rosen, but put me in the skeptical as a starter camp.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsnut;1220824]I also hear Josh Rosen sucks, why else would a losing team that traded up for him give up on him, when his cap is still low after only 10 months this screams to me "bad hire" I don't buy this he would be a top choice stuff. If he was, people would easily give up a high first, especially considering he's a starting nfl qb. Something doesn't add up. Tired of adopting other teams problems and also paying for it financially. I could be wrong and hope I am if the skins get Rosen, but put me in the skeptical as a starter camp.[/quote]

Because the team gave up on the Head Coach that drafted him.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsnut;1220824]I also hear Josh Rosen sucks, why else would a losing team that traded up for him give up on him, when his cap is still low after only 10 months this screams to me "bad hire" I don't buy this he would be a top choice stuff. If he was, people would easily give up a high first, especially considering he's a starting nfl qb. Something doesn't add up. Tired of adopting other teams problems and also paying for it financially. I could be wrong and hope I am if the skins get Rosen, but put me in the skeptical as a starter camp.[/quote]

I watched lots of UCLA games and I was never impressed with him. He only won half his starts and seem to make mistakes at the worst possible time. He didn't have many signature wins, but he put up video game numbers against the weaker opponents. Sound familiar? On the other hand it is reported that the Patriots are interested in him and we all know that organization is among the best at evaluating talent. I would definitely trust the Patriot's opinion of Rosen over mine.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1220820]Finlay said on today's podcast that Jay is feeling the pressure and expects him to unload this year about the player selection and acquisition dysfunction in the front office.

The gist was, if Jay is going out, he isn't going to take the blame for all the FO crap.

Finlay gave crowder as an example. He said Jay wanted to spend the money to keep him as a weapon but was over ruled by the FO.

He also mentioned a little heat with Bruce (of course), but also with Doug. Finlay said Doug is viewed as making personnel decisions without having to worry about the consequences of passing up talent.[/quote]

Pretty sure all that info is coming from Chris Russell so take it for what it is.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Rosen does not suck, he had a horrible cast around him last yr. Is he an Elite QB in the making? Nobody can say yes or no to that but to say he sucks is absurd.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Not sure where this logic comes from if a player is being traded he must suck.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1220833]Not sure where this logic comes from if a player is being traded he must suck.[/quote]

The Giants let Collins walk, so does he suck too?

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1220835]The Giants let Collins walk, so does he suck too?[/quote]

Collins wasn't going to play for rookie contract money, different scenario than Rosen.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1220836]Collins wasn't going to play for rookie contract money, different scenario than Rosen.[/quote]

But why would they keep Rosen on the bench? Might as well deal him

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1220830]Pretty sure all that info is coming from Chris Russell so take it for what it is.[/QUOTE]True he is saying some of it but so are others including Finlay.

And Gruden himself in the press conference at the end of the year said communication between the coaching staff and personnel dept is THE biggest thing that needs to improve.

So yea Russell is a gossip but there are a lot of other factors and comments from others that make that particular nugget believable

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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

I could see Jay being pissed, and I don't blame him. Bruce is a joke, as is Dan.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1220841]I could see Jay being pissed, and I don't blame him. Bruce is a joke, as is Dan.[/quote]

as is Jay. And Doug.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1220833]Not sure where this logic comes from if a player is being traded he must suck.[/quote]

My thinking is if the Cards felt comfortable with him as their long term prospect, their approach would be to trade down and use the draft haul to build the roster.

And after getting hammered behind that line last season, he might be shell-shocked already and I'm not sure we have the right coaching staff to rebuild him.