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EXoffender 04-26-2008 08:45 PM

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;443776]Pretty good draft so far. Stockpiled on the offensive side of the ball. Red Zone scoring should be that much of a liability anymore. We got a couple of possible first rounders in the second round. Should be easier to sign and get into camp on time. I can't get too upset at who they took. We still have tomorrow so let's see what they can put together in the last several rounds.[/quote]It is only the [B]second[/B] round and we have two in the third and a fourth.

JLee9718 04-26-2008 08:46 PM

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I felt that drafting an offensive lineman would have been a better way to go after we got one wide receiver. Vinny is just trying to be different, and I wish he'd go work for some other team.

SouperMeister 04-26-2008 08:48 PM

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I fear for our Defense next year. I don't see us getting somebody on day two who will help immediately. Let's hope that Vinnie finds some diamonds in the rough tomorrow.

JoeRedskin 04-26-2008 08:48 PM

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;443773]Well it'd be rounds 4,6, and 7 now

There are a lot of solid DTs left but who's at DE? Chris Ellis? Does someone like Pressley play DE at the next level? I know the team is high on Wilson and Buzbee but it seems kind of crazy right now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. I know, given the pre-draft hype and then the trade, this is a big surprise. I am hoping hey know something I don't.

I am still confused by the Davis pick. Beast or not, in light of Campbell and Groves still being on the board, that was just not a necessary pick.

Let's judge the draft as a whole and then look at it in three years.

SmootSmack 04-26-2008 08:49 PM

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;443780]Don't forget about the Compensatory 3rd (96). So technically it is 3, 4, 6, 7. They traded their third but still have that comp pick.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I just meant 4,6,7 instead of 5-7 for the OL depth, as Joe Redskin had said

redskinsfanatic 04-26-2008 08:49 PM

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can't see them losing moss or randel el.i do think that mathis and thrash are gone though.i'm sure JC is excited to have 2 very capable te's as options now too.
i just hope folks do'nt expect these two wideouts to come in and be jerry rice right out of the gate.

EXoffender 04-26-2008 08:50 PM

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[quote=Beemnseven;443778]I'm with you dude. But obviously, the coaches felt comfortable enough with the O and D-lines as they stand now, and didn't feel the need to use a high pick to address them.

The thing to remember though, is that Greg Blache was always the first to defend the D-line when they weren't getting close to the QB with the pass rush. Clearly, his opinion hasn't changed and is fine with the pressure these guys are able to generate.[/quote]Are there more quality WRs and receiving TEs or OL and DL on day two? That about sums it up. We have some of the better coaches at the later positions too.

SmootSmack 04-26-2008 08:50 PM

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;443784]Yeah. I know, given the pre-draft hype and then the trade, this is a big surprise. I am hoping hey know something I don't.

I am still confused by the Davis pick. Beast or not, in light of Campbell and Groves still being on the board, that was just not a necessary pick.

Let's judge the draft as a whole and then look at it in three years.[/QUOTE]

But I want to judge it now!!!

NFLN putting up a picture of Brandon Albert for their Martellus Bennett graphic...smooth

SC Skins Fan 04-26-2008 08:50 PM

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[quote=EXoffender;443777]Trying to make sense out of it all is to use Cooley in the slot or out wide and have Davis lined up tight. Davis should be considered a better blocker than Cooley. Now saying that Cooley will take on more of a wR role makes one wonder why draft two more WRs. Teams aren't going to trade for one of them. They'll wait until we'll have to cut one and get them as a FA.[/quote]

Neither is going to get cut (or else you really can blast the FO). Moss and ARE are really the only guys that are assured of being on the team. Caldwell, McCardell are gone; and beyond that you are looking at Thrash, Mix, and Mathis. Not exactly world beaters. You're going to carry 5-6 WRs so Moss, ARE, Thomas, Kelly, and a couple of other special team performers. I don't know that it is total overkill at WR because they really didn't have any depth or size at that position and now they do. Plus, it takes time for WRs to develop typically.

skinsfan_nn 04-26-2008 08:50 PM

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[quote=EXoffender;443781]It is only the [B]second[/B] round and we have two in the third and a fourth.[/quote]

We gave up one of the thirds via trade. We only have the Comp. 3rd (one pick).

MonkFan4Life 04-26-2008 08:50 PM

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[quote=EXoffender;443781]It is only the [B]second[/B] round and we have two in the third and a fourth.[/quote]

I know it was only the second but they still got first round talent in the second round. The pay scale is a tad different wouldn't you say ? I thought we only had one left in the third.

Big C 04-26-2008 08:51 PM

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i eagerly await the press conference from zorn and vinny explaining the logic with davis and kelly. anyone know when to expect these?

Tha Posse 04-26-2008 08:51 PM

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We traded one of our thirds to ATL. There must be a trade in the works for ARE, or Moss. I doubt Moss though.

Redskin Jim 04-26-2008 08:51 PM

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[quote=bertoskins2;443757]relax, the reason why we feased on this position is that everybody passed on this position. and also most of the DL and the OL that we covet already gone at this time. so we take the best athlete that can help jason.[/quote]
Great point, this was mkind of my take on our picks. No wide recievers picked in the first round allowed us to load up with quality talent in that position. I cant believe we picked Davis when we did, BUT, I also can't believe He was the third TE taken! He was the best TE in the draft IMO. As Matty said " The offense is open for buisiness!"

SmootSmack 04-26-2008 08:54 PM

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I hope Bowman is still around in the 6th or 7th round. He'd be an absolute steal

Beemnseven 04-26-2008 08:54 PM

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;443789]Neither is going to get cut (or else you really can blast the FO). Moss and ARE are really the only guys that are assured of being on the team. [B]Caldwell, McCardell are gone; and beyond that you are looking at Thrash, Mix, and Mathis. Not exactly world beaters. [/B] You're going to carry 5-6 WRs so Moss, ARE, Thomas, Kelly, and a couple of other special team performers. I don't know that it is total overkill at WR because they really didn't have any depth or size at that position and now they do. Plus, it takes time for WRs to develop typically.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you generally don't need your 3rd, 4th, and 5th wideouts to be "world beaters". I'm on record that this means more to Moss and Randle El than people think.

I think Zorn was completely dissatisfied with his current options at wide receiver.

killromo 04-26-2008 08:54 PM

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;443705]I don't know about this. They could have and should have made better use of these picks. Surprising, while they usually make smart choices[/QUOTE]

Lay it on nice and thick Smoot. Weird first day, I liked the first pick, was alright with the 2nd. 3rd pick was ricockulous. Guess the defense will be on their own this year. What's the best left out there for our cb and de needs?

FRPLG 04-26-2008 08:55 PM

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It seems we;re drafting like we won a SB last year. Picking value guys for depth. I am amazed. Our two glaring weaknesses and the anchors of the team have been ignored. I don't mind value picks but they need to mak sense. For god's sake trade down again if the best value left is for a position where the best player position-wise(TE) on your team has a strangle hold on the spot.

Daseal 04-26-2008 08:57 PM

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I'm fine with the two WRs. I'm not sold on Moss or ARE. Plus, if we pick two maybe one will pan out. But the TE pick is just terribly confusing.

MonkFan4Life 04-26-2008 09:00 PM

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The sky really isn't falling. Our redzone offense was a joke last year. Plain and simple. We are running a completely different scheme now. Possibly Zorn wanted some big targets and there wasn't a player out there that was better at the time they selected. It's not like the season is over today and we've tanked it. There are still more picks, and more time. So many of us scream on how the best players are found in the later rounds, well, give them time to find those guys. Our Wide Outs just got a lot bigger, throw the ball up and one of our guys has a better chance at coming down with it now.

mrsAikmanspoolboy 04-26-2008 09:06 PM

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The press conference is going to be really interesting.

mrsAikmanspoolboy 04-26-2008 09:07 PM

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Oh by the way. Have been a frequent reader, and a life long Skins fan(30 years). My first post. This is the best skins site on the net.

GTripp0012 04-26-2008 09:13 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;443387]I don't hate the Thomas pick (the way GTripp does), heck I was the first one to mention him here on this board I think.

But we could do better[/quote]I guess I've always said it's never too early to admit a mistake.

It only took us 18 picks to admit Thomas was a mistake, so I guess thats promising.

Redskin Jim 04-26-2008 09:14 PM

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[quote=Daseal;443799]I'm fine with the two WRs. I'm not sold on Moss or ARE. Plus, if we pick two maybe one will pan out. But the TE pick is just terribly confusing.[/quote]
Agreed, all I can think is that the competition for a starting spot this fall just went way up. I'm confedent that with the talent of these picks in the receiving department one or more of these guys are going to step up and make some plays for us this year. Hopefully we pick defense with the rest of our picks and can find some decent talent. I would like to shore up the o line a bit more as well. Any way I am foaming at the mouth thinking about this offense taking the field!

saden1 04-26-2008 09:14 PM

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I don't get where all the Fred Davis hate/confusion is coming from. Cooley is a baller and he has a fat contract so he isn't going anywhere. This game isn't about stats and having two quality TE will put a lot of pressure on defenses. Oh and have you seen Fred Davis play? Dude can flat out block! He'll definitely free up Cooley to work his magic.

I am shocked I'm the only one that actually likes these picks.

itvnetop 04-26-2008 09:18 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1;443808]I don't get where all the Fred Davis hate/confusion is coming from. Cooley is a baller and he has a fat contract so he isn't going anywhere. This game isn't about stats and having two quality TE will put a lot of pressure on defenses. Oh and have you seen Fred Davis play? Dude can flat out block! He'll definitely free up Cooley to work his magic.

I am shocked I'm the only one that actually likes these picks.[/QUOTE]

I don't think many people have seen Davis play, Saden. I can understand the disappointment re: need, but us west-coasters have had the ability to see what our scouts saw.

Fred Davis will help the team. He's the polar opposite of a bad pick.

GTripp0012 04-26-2008 09:19 PM

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This draft wasn't a total disaster. Fred Davis was a nice choice as a 2nd TE, and Malcolm Kelly was good value at number 51.

Devin Thomas is a draft pick thrown away...but being positive here, it's better to throw the 34th pick away than it is to throw the 21st pick away.

Also we moved up into the 4th, and that gives us another shot at a potential starter, so the front office deserves it's credit on making a great deal with Atlanta.

At the end of day one, the Redskins are no better off then when they entered it, and every other team in the NFC East is. That's the troubling part.

JoeRedskin 04-26-2008 09:19 PM

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[QUOTE=Daseal;443799]I'm fine with the two WRs. I'm not sold on Moss or ARE. Plus, if we pick two maybe one will pan out. But the TE pick is just terribly confusing.[/QUOTE]

Uh oh. The world is coming to an end. Daseal and I are in complete agreement.

NYCskinfan82 04-26-2008 09:20 PM

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well i guess Zorn found out Mix is not the answer, Moss better not get injured he will be replaced, this might be Thrash's last season, we need DL and OL help

SKINSnCANES 04-26-2008 09:22 PM

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;443809]I don't think many people have seen Davis play, Saden. I can understand the disappointment re: need, but us west-coasters have had the ability to see what our scouts saw.

Fred Davis will help the team. He's the polar opposite of a bad pick.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya, the guy could be a stud. The problem is that his potential is to be the next Chris Cooley...oh wait...

Did the Seahawks run a lot of two TE sets? The pressconference said open competition...why!?!?!

Im not so worried about our defense. I think we have a good defense. but now we really really need rogers and mcintosh to come back...we need carter to progress...and we still wont get much pressure with our front four...

Schneed10 04-26-2008 09:23 PM

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I'm in love with all three of these picks.

First off, it shows that our coaches and GM aren't smoking crack and drinking the Anthony Mix Kool Aid. They recognize that we need serious weapons. They're right.

Santana Moss, as good as he is, doesn't score enough TDs. Same with ARE. Down in the red zone these guys disappear. Nevermind the fact that Moss is getting older and that without these WRs, James Thrash or Anthony Mix would be our #3 WR (horrible).

Fred Davis gives us a second TE weapon, another big body for making yards after the catch.

We got serious value out of our picks. You guys are crazy.

EXoffender 04-26-2008 09:24 PM

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[quote=mrsAikmanspoolboy;443805]Oh by the way. Have been a frequent reader, and a life long Skins fan(30 years). My first post. This is the best skins site on the net.[/quote]Welcome.

SKINSnCANES 04-26-2008 09:24 PM

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;443810]This draft wasn't a total disaster. Fred Davis was a nice choice as a 2nd TE, and Malcolm Kelly was good value at number 51.

Devin Thomas is a draft pick thrown away...but being positive here, it's better to throw the 34th pick away than it is to throw the 21st pick away.

Also we moved up into the 4th, and that gives us another shot at a potential starter, so the front office deserves it's credit on making a great deal with Atlanta.

At the end of day one, the Redskins are no better off then when they entered it, and every other team in the NFC East is. That's the troubling part.[/QUOTE]

were definitly better...our ofense couldnt score points last year. hopefully now we can score more. and our defense was ranked 8th in the league, so we just need some consistency...

GTripp0012 04-26-2008 09:24 PM

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Cooley isn't going to lose his job. The beauty of the Davis pick is it allows us to play more singleback and spread the field with fewer receivers on the field.

Except that makes no sense in light of the other draft picks.

Kelly should be a good player for us, but you have to wonder if neither Moss nor ARE is in the future plans.

SKINSnCANES 04-26-2008 09:25 PM

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[QUOTE=mrsAikmanspoolboy;443805]Oh by the way. Have been a frequent reader, and a life long Skins fan(30 years). My first post. This is the best skins site on the net.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board.

saden1 04-26-2008 09:26 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;443810]This draft wasn't a total disaster. Fred Davis was a nice choice as a 2nd TE, and Malcolm Kelly was good value at number 51.

[B]Devin Thomas is a draft pick thrown away[/B]...but being positive here, it's better to throw the 34th pick away than it is to throw the 21st pick away.

Also we moved up into the 4th, and that gives us another shot at a potential starter, so the front office deserves it's credit on making a great deal with Atlanta.

At the end of day one, the Redskins are no better off then when they entered it, and every other team in the NFC East is. That's the troubling part.[/quote]

lol...you can't be serious. Do you know something we don't know?

GTripp0012 04-26-2008 09:27 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;443815]I'm in love with all three of these picks.

First off, it shows that our coaches and GM aren't smoking crack and drinking the Anthony Mix Kool Aid. They recognize that we need serious weapons. They're right.

Santana Moss, as good as he is, doesn't score enough TDs. Same with ARE. Down in the red zone these guys disappear. Nevermind the fact that Moss is getting older and that without these WRs, James Thrash or Anthony Mix would be our #3 WR (horrible).

Fred Davis gives us a second TE weapon, another big body for making yards after the catch.

We got serious value out of our picks. You guys are crazy.[/quote]Alright, if I give you Davis and Kelly, can you come up with any sort of defense for the Thomas pick with every other receiver (except Avery) available?

Would we not have been better off with Jordy Nelson?

Slingin Sammy 33 04-26-2008 09:28 PM

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I understand the logic, don't necessarily agree at first pass, but depending on what happens tomorrow we could come out much improved if the two WRs pan out.

Zorn and Cerrato are definitely putting their stamp on the team very quickly.

SmootSmack 04-26-2008 09:30 PM

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;443796]Yeah, but you generally don't need your 3rd, 4th, and 5th wideouts to be "world beaters". I'm on record that this means more to Moss and Randle El than people think.

I think Zorn was completely dissatisfied with his current options at wide receiver.[/QUOTE]

But you must be happy about ARE most likely no longer being the 2/3 option right?

I wonder how reactive these moves were, after the Giants drafted Phillips, Cowboys drafted Jenkins and Eagles signed Samuel

NYCskinfan82 04-26-2008 09:30 PM

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if you want to play WR you will have to earn your spot, every practice counts from now on.


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