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[quote=GusFrerotte;856383]IF the Danny would even think of it, maybe bring back Norv as the OC, if SD fires him. I don't think anyone wants Norv as a HC after his debacle with SD. All that talent and he can't get to the big show.[/quote]

Mike Shanahan has too much pride to let that happen.. I think once Kyle gets a quarterback to work with knowing he can't screw him up it'll really open his eyes.

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Norv doesn't run the WC offense and wouldn't comeback after the way he was treated.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;856388]Norv doesn't run the WC offense and wouldn't comeback after the way he was treated.[/quote]

Not to mention Norv wouldn't take a demotion unless he absolutely has to.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;856322]The Dolphins scored 31 today, we are in trouble. We can barely score a touchdown right now. Thank goodness I am out of the country for the last three weeks of the season.[/quote]

Have you ever heard of something called the Internet?

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[quote=Big C;856364]at least we are getting some young guys some experience...[/quote]


LMAO we always say that because we are TRASH and never ever win..

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We have sorry ass BECK AND REX But guys like Dalton, Ponder and Gabbert are all better smh

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856394]LMAO we always say that because we are TRASH and never ever win..[/quote]

The Redskins are trash?

You have a lot to learn about being a NFL fan.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;856391]Not to mention Norv wouldn't take a demotion unless he absolutely has to.[/quote]


I was joking around with the bring back Norv stuff(like the Frerotte stuff), although I do think he is a real offensive guru(unlike Kyle). Yeah, he doesn't run the WC offense, and to be honest I wish we could scrap it as well. We have been running variations of it post Spurrier, and it hasn't exactly done the trick. Still, realistically, yeah we are stuck with Kyle for the time being, and I think once we get the right QB, we will be fine down the road. The major frustration we all have is that we did not expect playoffs, but we didn't expect to look like we are regressing. The main reason is obvious, a lack of a QB. So my big beef with the Shanny's and Bruce Allen is why didnt they see this, and why didn't they act on bringing in a great QB in here via the 2011 draft? I can accept this season is going to be bad now, but damn, how long til we actually see some good competitve football for a change? What is really going to do it in for me is that we do have patience for another 2-3 seasons with these guys and we still suck. I think that should be the end of the matter for all of us, meaning we just ditch the team.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856395]We have sorry ass BECK AND REX But guys like Dalton, Ponder and Gabbert are all better smh[/quote]

Okay Gabbert sucks. He actually doesn't have a shot.. and this is coming from a guy who wanted Gabbert at the draft.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856395]We have sorry ass BECK AND REX But guys like Dalton, Ponder and Gabbert are all better smh[/quote]
Why we passing on Ponder and Gabbert is beyond me. Serviceable starters if you ask me and even if we did have a crappy year, just chalk it up to a rook who is going to learn and only get better in 2012. We will draft a QB in 2012, give him a couple years, and if we still suck, we are in a load of hurt.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856405]Okay Gabbert sucks. He actually doesn't have a shot.. and this is coming from a guy who wanted Gabbert at the draft.[/quote]

hows he suck? JAX Is garbage

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[quote=IrMitchell;856405]Okay Gabbert sucks. He actually doesn't have a shot.. and this is coming from a guy who wanted Gabbert at the draft.[/quote]

I think Blaine is serviceable, he is on an underachieving team. I am very happy for Dalton though.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;856397]The Redskins are trash?

You have a lot to learn about being a NFL fan.[/quote]


Dude I'm a DIEHARD Skins fan never miss a game even if its the MNF game last year vs Philly but I call it like it is, we are garbage and there is no hiding that.. Sorry but truth hurts sometimes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856407]hows he suck? JAX Is garbage[/quote]

We suck, Jax has a much better offense than we do and Gabbert is just bad bad bad.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;856408]I think Blaine is serviceable, he is on an underachieving team. I am very happy for Dalton though.[/quote]

Yeah Dalton has surprised me quite a bit, but I really don't think Blaine has any chance at a long tenure in Jax.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856411]We suck, Jax has a much better offense than we do and Gabbert is just bad bad bad.[/quote]


How? Other MJD?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;856408]I think Blaine is serviceable, he is on an underachieving team. I am very happy for Dalton though.[/quote]

Blaine is okay but he hasn't played as good as Ponder or Dalton. But the Jax offense is not much to talk about, I don't think their o-line is that great, neither are their receivers, and MJD has been inconsistent. But at least the Jax have something to build on, we have nothing.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856413]Yeah Dalton has surprised me quite a bit, but I really don't think Blaine has any chance at a long tenure in Jax.[/quote]

Not saying you are wrong IR, just saying give the kid another season. Not all rooks have good first years.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856414]How? Other MJD?[/quote]

Thomas, Hill, Lewis, MJD, a surprisingly good and young offensive line and even a stud FB..

Not to mention even though Gabbert sucks, he's on a completely different level compared to Beck.

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tHOMAS AND HILL ARE AVG AT BEST BUDDY, But I feel ya on Beck he sux

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[quote=GusFrerotte;856418]Not saying you are wrong IR, just saying give the kid another season. Not all rooks have good first years.[/quote]
Oh I understand that, but his weak delivery.. Poor reads, terrible pocket presence and did I mention weak delivery??

Only thing that I like about him is that he's not throwing the ball carelessly.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856409]Dude I'm a DIEHARD Skins fan never miss a game even if its the MNF game last year vs Philly but I call it like it is, we are garbage and there is no hiding that.. Sorry but truth hurts sometimes.[/quote]

Sorry pal, you are wrong.
Cowboy and Eagle fans use the word garbage when referring to the Redskins.
You will understand that when you grow up.
Have a nice day.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;856421]tHOMAS AND HILL ARE AVG AT BEST BUDDY, But I feel ya on Beck he sux[/quote]

Thomas is a pretty good up and coming receiver man. I'd take him over Armstrong and Gaffney 7 days a week.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856426]Thomas is a pretty good up and coming receiver man. I'd take him over Armstrong and Gaffney 7 days a week.[/quote]

yeah well i'd take you and I over those 2 also

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It was interesting to listen to the commentators today discuss Shanny's decision to pass on all those QBs. I think another way to look at it is Mike's decision to bench/cut three consecutive QBs for a worse one i.e. Jason is better than Mcnabb, Mcnabb better than Rex and Rex better than Beck. Beck is horrible. Holy shit just horrible. Locks on his target. Slow decision-maker. Lousy pocket presence.

But I don't put the blame for another blown season on Beck or any of the players in particular. It's painfully obvious these guys aren't being coached or motivated.

It's...just...spectacular...how far Mike has regressed in all facets of coaching. Talent evaluation. Organization. Clock management. Time-out management. Ability to motivate. Scheme. Wow...just wow. This is easily the worst coaching staff we've had in years. 11 ppg average in something like four or five games.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;856425]Sorry pal, you are wrong.
Cowboy and Eagle fans use the word garbage when referring to the Redskins.
You will understand that when you grow up.
Have a nice day.[/quote]


I'm sorry how about Terrible? I hate Dallas and Philly so I won't use garbage just pissed

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Mike-Shanahan-11-6/5dc3ce92-4b09-4596-9713-69b8251ba0a1]Mike Shanahan: 11-6[/url]

[quote=The Goat;856431]It's...just...spectacular...how far Mike has regressed in all facets of coaching. Talent evaluation. Organization. Clock management. Time-out management. Ability to motivate. Scheme. Wow...just wow. This is easily the worst coaching staff we've had in years. 11 ppg average in something like four or five games.[/quote]


Do tell us about all your experience in coaching so that we can get a handle on your qualifications to judge a coaching staff.

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[quote=The Goat;856431]It was interesting to listen to the commentators today discuss Shanny's decision to pass on all those QBs. I think another way to look at it is Mike's decision to bench/cut three consecutive QBs for a worse one i.e. Jason is better than Mcnabb, Mcnabb better than Rex and Rex better than Beck. Beck is horrible. Holy shit just horrible. Locks on his target. Slow decision-maker. Lousy pocket presence.

But I don't put the blame for another blown season on Beck or any of the players in particular. It's painfully obvious these guys aren't being coached or motivated.

It's...just...spectacular...how far Mike has regressed in all facets of coaching. Talent evaluation. Organization. Clock management. Time-out management. Ability to motivate. Scheme. Wow...just wow. [B]This is easily the worst coaching staff we've had in years[/B]. 11 ppg average in something like four or five games.[/quote]

I fully agree aside from the bolded.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be against Haslett being a head coach here. I like how he thinks.

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[quote=NC_Skins;856435][url=http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Mike-Shanahan-11-6/5dc3ce92-4b09-4596-9713-69b8251ba0a1]Mike Shanahan: 11-6[/url]




Do tell us about all your experience in coaching so that we can get a handle on your qualifications to judge a coaching staff.[/quote]

Just watch football. That's all. As the commentators, analysts and literally everyone who gets paid to watch football has said, teams face all kinds of adversity including injuries and players turnover every year but the well coached teams respond in kind. Jeez oh man look at the Pack's road to the SB last year when they had 15 guys, many of them starters and stars, on IR.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856422]Oh I understand that, but his weak delivery.. Poor reads, terrible pocket presence and did I mention weak delivery??

Only thing that I like about him is that he's not throwing the ball carelessly.[/quote]

I know, I know, but he isn't Peyton Manning or even Tom Brady. He could turn out to be another Joey Harrington, etc, but ever see Terry Brashaw his first couple seasons? He was routinely booed. Not saying Blaine is going to be a great QB after season 3, he just might end up like poor Beck, but he is a rook, and some of these guys have long adjustment times. All his problems can be rectified in the offseason.

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[quote=The Goat;856442]Just watch football. That's all. As the commentators, analysts and literally everyone who gets paid to watch football has said, teams face all kinds of adversity including injuries and players turnover every year but the well coached teams respond in kind. Jeez oh man look at the Pack's road to the SB last year when they had 15 guys, many of them starters and stars, on IR.[/quote]

You mean the same Green Bay team we beat? Yeah, and they played like crap to start out with when the new guys filled those injured roles. Once they got some games in, and a chance to gel they went on a run.


We were playing good, had injuries, so now young players are currently filling those spots and are learning on the job. That's how things go bro.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;856446]I know, I know, but he isn't Peyton Manning or even Tom Brady. He could turn out to be another Joey Harrington, etc, but ever see Terry Brashaw his first couple seasons? He was routinely booed. Not saying Blaine is going to be a great QB after season 3, he just might end up like poor Beck, but he is a rook, and some of these guys have long adjustment times. All his problems can be rectified in the offseason.[/quote]

Ok very true, I guess I'm just not very optimistic with Gabbert.

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[quote=The Goat;856442]Just watch football. That's all. As the commentators, analysts and literally everyone who gets paid to watch football has said, teams face all kinds of adversity including injuries and players turnover every year but the well coached teams respond in kind. Jeez oh man look at the Pack's road to the SB last year when they had 15 guys, many of them starters and stars, on IR.[/quote]

The Packers also had good backups who didn't look like deer in headlights when put into action. Not to mention scouts like to scout out the Packers' sloppy seconds. Backups with skill are what put them over the top.

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[quote=NC_Skins;856448]You mean the same Green Bay team we beat? Yeah, and they played like crap to start out with when the new guys filled those injured roles. Once they got some games in, and a chance to gel they went on a run.


We were playing good, had injuries, so now young players are currently filling those spots and are learning on the job. That's how things go bro.[/quote]

Why did you link Mike's post-game?

...he said we played focused and extremely hard lol. This guy isn't in the game. The feel of our gameday's right now reminds me of '07 just before Gibbs resigned. I thought it was obvious he'd lost the edge and especially on gameday. Williams was holding the team together. Right now Haslett and the defense are trying to hold the team together but Haslett isn't nearly as talented as Williams and of course Mike's history in DC isn't Gibbs history.

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[quote=NC_Skins;856448]You mean the same Green Bay team we beat? Yeah, and they played like crap to start out with when the new guys filled those injured roles. Once they got some games in, and a chance to gel they went on a run.


We were playing good, had injuries, so now young players are currently filling those spots and are learning on the job. That's how things go bro.[/quote]

This whole "young guys" thing is really getting blown out of proportion..

Roy Helu is very equal to Torain (the second option) in productivity.
Hankerson, Paul and Austin play the same position.
Hurt isn't expected to ever be a full time starter.

Who's the other young guy? Fred Davis has been here forever it seems.. Trent is a 4th overall pick and better be able to step right in. Chester/Brown/Monty are all 28+.. Darrel Young is a dime a dozen player and it doesn't matter who plays his position..

I mean our defense is ready there's no question there.. so I just fail to see how we can use the logic of "letting the young guys play" as long as we have a crappy quarterback who won't be here in 8 games named John beck.

Even if Beck and Hankerson manage to perfect the over the shoulder fade, we're still looking at reforming that chemistry next year unlike the Packers and Rodgers.

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[quote=NC_Skins;856435][URL="http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/videos/Mike-Shanahan-11-6/5dc3ce92-4b09-4596-9713-69b8251ba0a1"]Mike Shanahan: 11-6[/URL]




Do tell us about all your experience in coaching so that we can get a handle on your qualifications to judge a coaching staff.[/quote]


Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;856458]Don't need to be an ex coach to tell it like it is. The big problem a lot of us have is how the team is playing, and it is all too reminescent of the Zorn era. Losing is like a virus, and it is catchy. London Fletcher is getting frustrated and might decide to hang it up with this crap. The lockerroom might be lost to the coaching staff by month's end, if not sooner. A mark of any good coach is to adjust your game plan to the personnell you have to work with. Why didn't we run more of Helu? Even give Torain a few carries? Harbaugh is a rook NFL coach and seems to have his shit together more than the Shanahans? He is stuck with Alex Smith, not the best QB out there. What does he do? He focuses on the running game with Gore and K. Smith and only goes to A. Smith when he needs to or gives Smith a pass play on 1st or 2nd down on occasion to keep the D honest. Bottom line, he focuses on the strengths of his roster. Why did the Shanny put the game in Beck's hand? The guy is a deer in headlights![/quote]

This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer!

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[quote=The Goat;856461]This. Harbaugh is a turd but you cannot deny his talent as a coach. Alex Smith's accuracy has sky rocketed this year because Harbaugh built the scheme around him. LOL though when you said deer in the headlights I wondered if Beck or Mike is the deer![/quote]

Most people thought he was nothing but a college coach, not me.

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[quote=IrMitchell;856449]Ok very true, I guess I'm just not very optimistic with Gabbert.[/quote]

Not saying you are wrong IR, Blaine could very well end up a dud, but most rook Qbs need to adjust to the pro game. At Mizzou he was on a very good squad that just couldn't compete with OU and OSU. NCAA the offense still has somewhat of a speed advantage that in the NFL practically isn't there anymore. He gets used to the speed of the game, and works out in the offseason in the gym and with the coaches/trainers, he might be a better QB in 2012. Then again, he might not have it to be a true NFL starter like you surmise.