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[quote=skinsfan69;1129834]Chico..you can't be serious. Josh McDaniels is a joke. He's the type of guy that's a really good OC but that's it. He is not HC material. All you have to do is look at his stint in Denver, as well as his stop in St. Louis.

He pretty much pissed off everyone in Denver, ran off Jay Cutler, drafted Tebow in the first round and didn't report the taping of the opponents practice.

Pat Bowlen is one of the most patient owners around and you have to fuck up pretty bad for him to run you off in your second year.[/quote]

lol...all good points. a lot time the second stint for HC can be much better. McDaniels scheme and calls this year have been borderline amazing...look at the injuries on the Oline, RB, WR...10-0. Im impressed with McDaniels and think this wouldn't be a bad choice.

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I'd take McDaniels only if he comes with Brady.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1129749]Why is our coaching staff reluctant to have Cousins throw the ball down the field:



Its either



A) They don't trust him



or



B) He cant



Which one folks?[/QUOTE]


What makes you think we have wr's running open downfield? Djax has hardly played. Don't remember him missing open guys so much as seeing our wr corp getting blanked downfield week in n week out. He could just chuck it up for grabs....

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1129825]a consistent level of 10+loss seasons...



Josh McDaniels HC/Jim Schwartz DC 2016[/QUOTE]


1000 % no / 1000% yes

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[quote=Chico23231;1129825]a consistent level of 10+loss seasons...

Josh McDaniels HC/Jim Schwartz DC 2016[/quote]I think its a bit early for coaching search.

But, McDaniel HC/Schwartz DC [I]would[/I] be on my list for sure.

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[quote=30gut;1129842]I think its a bit early for coaching search.

But, McDaniel HC/Schwartz DC [I]would[/I] be on my list for sure.[/quote]

I would say it's Waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy early considering Gruden is coming back next per several reports.

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McDaniel?? I am not familar with him.

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[quote=Bucket;1129865]I would say it's Waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy early considering Gruden is coming back next per several reports.[/quote]

Lets be honest, reports mean nothing. Not saying he wont be back, as none of us truly have a clue, but the only way to know is to wait til the offseason and see what happens. If McC chooses to fire him, he is gone regardless of what was said recently. I dont think that decision has been made yet. I suspect McC is going to let the year play out then make a decision in the offseason based on the entire season.

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He's safe mainly because Snyder won't want to eat the last three years of the deal.

Just like Cousins, I'm not ready to call it yet with Gruden. I'm not satisfied with him at this point but there are still six more games.

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1129866]McDaniel?? I am not familar with him.[/QUOTE]


Hopefully, as a Redskin fan, you never are........

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[quote=Skinzman;1129868]Lets be honest, reports mean nothing. Not saying he wont be back, as none of us truly have a clue, but the only way to know is to wait til the offseason and see what happens. If McC chooses to fire him, he is gone regardless of what was said recently. I dont think that decision has been made yet. I suspect McC is going to let the year play out then make a decision in the offseason based on the entire season.[/quote]

Same guy who called Scot coming to DC before people thought it was an option. Whoever he knows on the inside is usually accurate

One thing people have to remember is we don't even know if Scot is making the call on HC. His title is a bit unique "PLAYERS Personnel "

Could still be a Bruce Allen call which would be a failure

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[quote=Skinzman;1129868]Lets be honest, reports mean nothing. Not saying he wont be back, as none of us truly have a clue, but the only way to know is to wait til the offseason and see what happens. If McC chooses to fire him, he is gone regardless of what was said recently. I dont think that decision has been made yet. I suspect McC is going to let the year play out then make a decision in the offseason based on the entire season.[/quote]Agreed.

Every year some coaches receive the "vote of confidence". Sometimes the coaches survive sometimes they don't.

The NFL is fluid. A statement about a decision may be true in NOV but inconceivable in JAN. We don't know.

Jay/Cousins fates are in their hands.

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[quote=Bucket;1129877]One thing people have to remember is we don't even know if Scot is making the call on HC. His title is a bit unique "PLAYERS Personnel "

Could still be a Bruce Allen call which would be a failure[/quote]I know during the off-season it seemed like Bruce still had the most clout in the front office. But when you look at actual qualification of a 'true' GM Scott fits the bill much moreso then Bruce.

I have faith, probably misguided given this franchise, that if a decision needs to be made about personnel including coaches Scott's voice will carry the most weight.

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I don't think Gruden and Barry are incompetent. I just think they are both conservative, perhaps even unimaginative, play callers.

I often wonder what our current offense and defense would look like with better players. If Scot is who we think he is and he improves player personnel significantly over the next two years, perhaps we could run the same plays and be much more successful with them.

I realize that stability means nothing if we have the wrong coaches and executives in place. OTOH, I think stability is very important if we have the right people in place. So, I'd like to see Gruden and Barry get the chance to work with better players.

But if we don't win a road game soon, I might change my mind.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129884]I don't think Gruden and Barry are incompetent. I just think they are both conservative, perhaps even unimaginative, play callers.

I often wonder what our current offense and defense would look like with better players. If Scot is who we think he is and he improves player personnel significantly over the next two years, perhaps we could run the same plays and be much more successful with them.

I realize that stability means nothing if we have the wrong coaches and executives in place. OTOH, I think stability is very important if we have the right people in place. So, I'd like to see Gruden and Barry get the chance to work with better players.

But if we don't win a road game soon, I might change my mind.[/quote]

Conservative and unimaginative...doesn't exactly win championships does it?

Gruden is good at making excuses though: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/11/12/the-redskins-are-historically-bad-at-running-the-ball/[/url]

pathetic...

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Just to clear the air.

Chico doest like Gruden or Cousins.

That's if you didn't catch on to his constant attacks of the two.

Ok, carry on.

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[quote=Chico23231;1129885]Conservative and unimaginative...doesn't exactly win championships does it?

Gruden is good at making excuses though: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/11/12/the-redskins-are-historically-bad-at-running-the-ball/[/url]

pathetic...[/quote]

Yeah, the excuse making is not a good look.

I really don't want to see another coaching change right now, but that's up to Gruden and Barry. They may want to play other teams straight up but they obviously don't have the horses to do it. If they don't come up with something right now to improve our run game and stop the opponent's run game, they may both be fired before Scot is able to acquire the horses.

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I tend to be more harsh on the head coach because there is more you need than X's & O's to be a head coach. I don't think Gruden has done very well utilizing the teams talent and/or modifying the approach to work with what he has any given week.

Also, I would say it is premature to take any reports seriously since this is a 4-6 team right now who's season still could go either way. We could pull off 2 division wins and be 6-6 with a month of football left, but we could just as well be 4-8 after the next two weeks and another season in the crapper.

If this team goes out and loses the next few games and the floor just falls out from under them completely I would not be confident that Gruden is back next year.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/21732/you-like-that-when-it-comes-to-kirk-cousins-season-the-answer-is-mixed]You like that? When it comes to Kirk Cousins' season, the answer is mi - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

good article...I agree

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1129904][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/21732/you-like-that-when-it-comes-to-kirk-cousins-season-the-answer-is-mixed]You like that? When it comes to Kirk Cousins' season, the answer is mi - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]



good article...I agree[/QUOTE]


Three of the last four games are good? His first real season at the helm and I see progression halted by one of the best defenses in the league. Also what this article fails to mention is he has done all of this with a piss poor defense and zero run game. For a "rookie" which we can argue about all we want, he is playing quite well all things considered. Certainly worthy of another year where we give him some more help imo.

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[quote=punch it in;1129907]Three of the last four games are good? His first real season at the helm and I see progression halted by one of the best defenses in the league. Also what this article fails to mention is he has done all of this with a piss poor defense and zero run game. [B]For a "rookie" which we can argue about all we want[/B], he is playing quite well all things considered. Certainly worthy of another year where we give him some more help imo.[/quote]

is Brock Osweiler a rookie too? What about when Aaron Rodgers started after sitting...he was a rookie as well? SMFH..

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1129908]is Brock Osweiler a rookie too? What about when Aaron Rodgers started after sitting...he was a rookie as well? SMFH..[/QUOTE]


Last time I checked you do not get a whole lot of experience sitting. So in that way all three were rookies. Yes. Also both of them jumped into a pretty good situation. Not like Kirk.
Edit: its a team fucking sport and you must realize comparing those packer teams and this denver team to what we have is the only reason u should be syfh.

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Look at all the highly touted qbs that have been ruined by situations like what we have in Washington. The list goes on n on. I think KC has done quite well for himself - he certainly isnt ruined. And most young qb's wouls be.

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gentlemen, there is no fighting in the war room.

cousins is neither a rookie nor a 4 year vet.

he is a guy who has started 18 games. There is no gray area there. Unless he has started 19.

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Thats fine. However u wanna put it. Fact is for his "limited experience " on a trainwreck of a team he is passing the test.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1129888]Yeah, the excuse making is not a good look.

I really don't want to see another coaching change right now, but that's up to Gruden and Barry. They may want to play other teams straight up but they obviously don't have the horses to do it. If they don't come up with something right now to improve our run game and stop the opponent's run game, they may both be fired before Scot is able to acquire the horses.[/quote]

Last week Barry had the corners playing 10 yards off the wr's on a 3rd and 3 when Carolina was backed up in their own side of the field. I wanted to bitch slap him. He is way too conservative and after 10 weeks I really don't think he's anything special. That hire is on Gruden.

Also I wonder if we have more than two run plays. We might lead the league in 2nd and 12, and I can almost predict when we're going to run and pass.

Starting over may not be the best thing right now. But these guys and KC need to start taking more chances on both sides of the ball. We'll need to if we want to beat the Giants. If KC throws a pick or two then so be it, that's part of playing QB.

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[quote=Chico23231;1129908]is Brock Osweiler a rookie too? What about when Aaron Rodgers started after sitting...he was a rookie as well? SMFH..[/quote]

Osweiler has started one game against a bad defense and they were able to run the ball. He will have his struggles. Let's see who he plays against the Pats.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129923]Osweiler has started one game against a bad defense and they were able to run the ball. He will have his struggles. Let's see [B]who he plays against the Pats[/B].[/quote]

My sources tell me its the Pats...
:Smoker:

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[quote=punch it in;1129925]My sources tell me its the Pats...
:Smoker:[/quote]

lol..."how" that is.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129923]Osweiler has started one game against a bad defense and they were able to run the ball. He will have his struggles. Let's see who he plays against the Pats.[/quote]

1st start on the road against a team that's been playing better the second half of the season in a spot that not necessarily an easy place to play...You had to be impressed. 78 QBR as well.

Look, he is on a better team...not only does he have the pressure to finally get his turn and perform, but he is responsible for maintaining a playoff run and following a legend at his position. This isn't rebuilding where you can afford to make a lot of mistakes and shrug it off ala Cousins.

Pats gonna be a test for sure, Ill be watching.

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[quote=Bucket;1129781]People going to be really upset when Gruden is going to back next year and Cousins..

Per Mike Silver today.

Not me though. As it shows the Organization is finally taking a step in a consistent level and ignoring the agenda fans.[/quote]

Consistently what, players lack of tackling, penalties, fines, and effort! If he doesn't win 8 games, why do you give him more thumbs up than Zorn. Why b/c he playing the qb you want? I think more fans want a coach that makes players more accountable and less media circus! This team more talented that any you can think of the last 6 years. And they playing in a below average division and he still losing games to below average teams. Even Tennessee, played Carolina though as we did. We only played two good teams, y'all act like we been playing Super Bowl contenders every week! I'll b disappointed if Gruden returns, cousin deserves another year at the right price!

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[QUOTE=Michaelt31;1129931]Consistently what, players lack of tackling, penalties, fines, and effort! If he doesn't win 8 games, why do you give him more thumbs up than Zorn. Why b/c he playing the qb you want? I think more fans want a coach that makes players more accountable and less media circus! This team more talented that any you can think of the last 6 years. And they playing in a below average division and he still losing games to below average teams. Even Tennessee, played Carolina though as we did. We only played two good teams, y'all act like we been playing Super Bowl contenders every week! I'll b disappointed if Gruden returns, cousin deserves another year at the right price![/QUOTE]


In all fairness, the Jets and Falcons were both hot when we played them. Pats, Panthers, Giants. I count one bad loss to the Fins.

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Punch it in…I'm with you 10000% ! Cousins despite his team is doing pretty darn well..you put him on the Pats and they win 13 games!! How many games would the skins win this year with Brady as QB?? maybe 10 tops..I hate to say this but i will be shocked if we win 9 games this year..i say more like 7-9 . but who knows I'm hoping to win out but this team has a lot of issues other than QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129922]Last week Barry had the corners playing 10 yards off the wr's on a 3rd and 3 when Carolina was backed up in their own side of the field. I wanted to bitch slap him. He is way too conservative and after 10 weeks I really don't think he's anything special. That hire is on Gruden.

Also I wonder if we have more than two run plays. We might lead the league in 2nd and 12, and I can almost predict when we're going to run and pass.

Starting over may not be the best thing right now. But these guys and KC need to start taking more chances on both sides of the ball. We'll need to if we want to beat the Giants. [B]If KC throws a pick or two then so be it, that's part of playing QB.[/B][/quote]

That may be true but I surely wouldn't want to be reading all of the opinions about that afterwards on this message board.

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[quote=punch it in;1129932]In all fairness, the Jets and Falcons were both hot when we played them. Pats, Panthers, Giants. I count one bad loss to the Fins.[/quote]

Hot, what their record since we played? Let me guess, we made them cold, or maybe they wasn't that good. Falcons done had more games given to them, than they just won. Jets, a one trick piney, and the Gaints was 0-2 when we played them. I guess you call that hot, what you call 2-0?

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Teams go from hot to cold all the time. The Jets and Falcons were hot when we played them and NO we did not make them cold....they beat us. I did not say the Giants were hot when we beat them. I simply pointed out that they are not a "bad " team. So once again, we lost to one bad team...the Fins.

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[quote=punch it in;1129907]..... and zero run game. For a "rookie" which we can argue about all we want, he is playing quite well all things considered. Certainly worthy of another year where we give him some more help imo.[/quote]For me Kirk has to earn another year with his play down the stretch this season. Is he a good back-up, stop gap starter or quality starter? For me its too early to say but he'll get the chance to prove himself.

He's certainly not a rookie in my book, I expect better then rookie level performance. The run game"handicap" is a dual sided coin imo Jay's penchant towards creating a passing to feature Kirk comes at the expense of run game commitment/success.

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[quote=30gut;1129942]For me Kirk has to earn another year with his play down the stretch this season. Is he a good back-up, stop gap starter or quality starter? For me its too early to say but he'll get the chance to prove himself.

He's certainly not a rookie in my book, I expect better then rookie level performance. The run game"handicap" is a dual sided coin imo Jay's penchant towards creating a passing to feature Kirk comes at the expense of run game commitment/success.[/quote]

Kirk is not a rookie but he is not an experienced veteran either. He is closer to the rookie end due to sitting on the bench most of his first couple years in the league. He is showing some growing pains but that is to be expected when a QB is learning on the job, which all players do.

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At least he didn't throw 3 picks against Carolina.. :-) Maybe there defense is just good..

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[QUOTE=Brody81;1130025]At least he didn't throw 3 picks against Carolina.. :-) Maybe there defense is just good..[/QUOTE]


No doubt. At least we gave em a fight for alittle while. Probably would have been a long while if not for the zebras.