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[quote=#56fanatic;377123]This is my point Matty - the same stuff that has killed this organization for years. At some point this has to fall on coaches for getting the players prepared. The Redskins for the Norv years had the same problems. When Joe took over same thing. Nothing has changes. They have shuffled players in and out of here but the overall bullshit is still the same. Stupid penalties, clock management, using timeouts like they give you 10 before the game. and when the game is on the line, conservative play calling because they are too scared to lose the game instead of having some major balls and going for someones throat.

The offense for 3 quarters looked pretty good. Jason has to be able to open it up. The kid is a PLAYER. Portis looks more comfortable running from 3 WR sets. TELL JOE TO THROW THE DAMN JUMBO PACKAGE OUT THE WINDOW ON RT 7 ON THE WAY TO REDSKIN PARK TODAY!! I live in charlotte NC, and we were watching the game at Hickory Tavern, and there was 10 people at my table, [B]and no one really all that football savy (other than myself, of course!!) plus some people I pulled into the action by screaming and hollering, anyway, they all were saying "they are running here, they are running again?? [/B]" this was said before they snapped the fucking ball. So my point is this, if the everyday Joe can call what the Skins are doing before the snap, dont you think the FOOTBALL players and coaches know what the hell we are doing before the ball is snapped.

He has to go. Get someone with some fire that will go off on people.

bring back MARTY!!![/quote]If they weren't that football savvy, why just assume that they were right?

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[quote=GMScud;377012]The next two weeks are going to be battles. Dallas is really cocky right now. We gotta get to Romo. I just saw next week's lines. Dallas is favored by 11. 11!!! No respect.[/quote]
You read all the post on this board and you say the line set for the Dallas game gives us no respect! If the people who set the line read the post here the line would be 21. I think we need to put a sticky on the Gibbs to go threads and just pull it back up after every loss.

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[quote=GTripp0012;377143]If they weren't that football savvy, why just assume that they were right?[/quote]

LOL good point.

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[quote=Mattyk72;377117]I think people are looking too far into things. Take away the dumb penalties yesterday by the players, (not the coaches), and everything is fine and F'ing dandy today. I don't see where anyone should have any major problems with the offense yesterday, we saw some no huddle, 3 and 4 WR sets, shotguns on 1st down, JC threw the ball great, CP was running wild, basically everything we've wanted to see all along.

Crucial penalties killed this game. Look no further than that. I think the coaches did everything they could to put the players in the best position possible to win, bottom line is we were let down by crucial penalties and that has to fall soley on the players. That's an execution issue.[/quote]

I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.

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[quote=Mattyk72;377125]I disagree. There's no need to ge cute at the goal line. Philly flat out outplayed us down there, and the false start on Cooley was icing on the cake.[/quote]

Do you think leaving in the 3 wide set is cute if it works? I watch Indy's offense and I never ever ever see them put in 5 million TE's and try and run people over. Last night they had several short yardage situations and they ran the ball out of 3 wide sets and it worked every time. It creates space and running lanes, and the defense still has to defend the pass. The jumbo BS does not work cause Gibbs is trying to slam a 200 lbs. running back into a pile of 300 + pound men. Maybe if he had Gerald Riggs that crap would work. But if they are going to run Portis he needs some space. I say throw it out and leave it on Route 7.

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[quote=skinsfan69;377174]Do you think leaving in the 3 wide set is cute if it works? I watch Indy's offense and I never ever ever see them put in 5 million TE's and try and run people over. Last night they had several short yardage situations and they ran the ball out of 3 wide sets and it worked every time. It creates space and running lanes, and the defense still has to defend the pass. The jumbo BS does not work cause Gibbs is trying to slam a 200 lbs. running back into a pile of 300 + pound men. Maybe if he had Gerald Riggs that crap would work. But if they are going to run Portis he needs some space. I say throw it out and leave it on Route 7.[/quote]

On the flipside we've seen the heavy jumbo formation work plenty of times this year... so if it worked yesterday and we scored 6 would this even be an issue?

Philly got great penetration, that's us losing the critical man on a man battles.

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[quote=skinsfan69;377171]I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.[/quote]

I actually didn't have a big problem with the draw call. Philly was coming with an all out blitz and CP nearly scored. Another yard and it would have been a brilliant call.

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Honestly, I think runs in third down situations after we've thrown at least on first or second down are pretty good calls.

They at least throw the defense off.

In general, I thought the playcalling was amazing whether Campbell was doing it himself or not.

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[quote=GTripp0012;376851]Yeah, he would have more [I]room[/I], but he also has more unblocked guys. That's not a good idea with Portis who tends to dance.

There are pros and cons to running out of any formation and a lot of it has to do with how the D is going to play it. I don't understand why it's so black and white to you.

It's not like you can't run out of the Jumbo...that's what it is designed for.[/quote]


It is like we can't run out of the jumbo. We can't. I was obvious we couldn't. That's what the controversy is about.

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[quote=skinsfan69;377171]I have been one to be very critical of the staff. And yesterday they made some more f-ups. The draw play from the 7 yard line was just awful. Taking the ball out of JC hands was comical and Gibbs ought to be ashamed of himself. But it always comes down to a few plays in a close game. And in this game the two guys who killed us were Cooley and Smoot.

1. Smoot had a silly penalty on the first drive for illegal contact on a 3rd and long that kept the drive alive for Philly. Philly ended up scoring 7 points on the drive when they should have punted. Now we see why Minn let him go.

2. As much as I love Cooley you can't get a false start AT HOME on the 1 yard line. That is the kind of mental error that Shockey would make. He should give back some of his signing bonus after that critical mistake cause the WR broke wide open on the play and it would have been 7.[/quote]Let me give you three more. On the drive that Prioleau got beat by Reggie Brown deep:

1. Randall Godfrey dropped an EASY interception that hit him in both hands.

2. Shawn Springs picked up an illegal contact penalty on 2nd and 20 when we held Westbrook to a 4 yard catch. Instead of 3rd and 16, Philly got a fresh set of downs, and I'm pretty sure scored on the next play to Reggie Brown.

3. Prioleau badly misplayed the pass to Brown. If he locates the underthrown pass earlier, it's an easy INT.

I agree that Cooley's mistake was the most egregious. You're at home, so crowd noise is not a factor. Just a dumb, dumb play. I'm tired of Gibbs talking about our "SuperSmart" guys when we have mental breakdowns every game.

The Silver Lining - Campbell was FINALLY allowed to stretch the field. We should do more no huddle so we can take the play calling away from Saunders/Gibbs.

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[quote=skinsguy;376863]The first time, yes, I would've went for it. The second time, no way you go for it. We were only up by 2 points. At least kicking the field goal forced the Eagles to get into the end zone rather than going up by one with a field goal.[/quote]

Wrong. If had gone for it and made it, game over (we win). If we had gone for it and failed, the Eagles would have been backed up and with with sixty five or seventy yards for a try at a field goal. It was a very bad call, especially considering that the Eagles were moving the ball well and Taylor was out of the game. The loss was likely from the moment the call was made. Until then, he had the advantage.

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[quote=Beemnseven;377133]Doc Walker on the Monday Morning Quarterback Show just mentioned the 'jumbo' package -- he said it doesn't intimidate anyone the way it used to. If you're right there on the goal line, it's fine, but not five yards from the endzone.

And you're basically broadcasting what you're going to do. Everyone recognizes that we don't have the personnel to pop people in the mouth and dare anyone to stop us the way it was done in 1984. And you're not faking anyone out by lining up people who are run blockers first then sending those same guys out for passing routes.

Six different times they had the ball within an earshot of the goal line and couldn't get it in. Something's clearly wrong there.[/quote]

Right on. One time they did throw out of the jumbo package. The other 5-6 times they ran. We can't telegraph what we're doing b/c we
're not that much better than other teams.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;377206]Wrong. If had gone for it and made it, game over (we win). If we had gone for it and failed, the Eagles would have been backed up and with with sixty five or seventy yards for a try at a field goal. It was a very bad call, especially considering that the Eagles were moving the ball well and Taylor was out of the game. The loss was likely from the moment the call was made. Until then, he had the advantage.[/QUOTE]

Wait, so you're saying we could miss the field goal and that's ok because the Eagles would have 60 some yards to get down field (much less of course to get just a field goal) and at the same time you point out that the Eagles were marching down the field easily anyway. If they're marching down the field with ease why not at least force them to go all the way then part of the way?

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[quote=SouperMeister;377203]Let me give you three more. On the drive that Prioleau got beat by Reggie Brown deep:

1. Randall Godfrey dropped an EASY interception that hit him in both hands.

2. Shawn Springs picked up an illegal contact penalty on 2nd and 20 when we held Westbrook to a 4 yard catch. Instead of 3rd and 16, Philly got a fresh set of downs, and I'm pretty sure scored on the next play to Reggie Brown.

3. Prioleau badly misplayed the pass to Brown. If he locates the underthrown pass earlier, it's an easy INT.

I agree that Cooley's mistake was the most egregious. You're at home, so crowd noise is not a factor. Just a dumb, dumb play. I'm tired of Gibbs talking about our "SuperSmart" guys when we have mental breakdowns every game.

The Silver Lining - Campbell was FINALLY allowed to stretch the field. We should do more no huddle so we can take the play calling away from Saunders/Gibbs.[/quote]

I didn't have a problem w/ Godfrey's play. He's a LB with stone hands. And PP is another back-up so I'll give that one to Reggie Brown. But you are right on w/ Springs. That's another one that just killed us. One of our best players getting that on a 2-20 is just crazy. So people ( including myself) can bitch and moan about the jumbo BS but in the end 3 of our best, and highest paid guys let us down.

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[quote=Mattyk72;377182]I actually didn't have a big problem with the draw call. Philly was coming with an all out blitz and CP nearly scored. Another yard and it would have been a brilliant call.[/quote]I repeat a statement that I made earlier:

Philly [B]DID NOT[/B] come with an all out blitz on the third down draw play from the 7. Go back and look at the play if you have a chance - Philly faked blitz prior to the snap before dropping the LBs. They [B]only[/B] rushed the four D-linemen, the linebackers stayed home in the middle of the field, which doomed that play from the start. Portis was tackled at the 3 yardline - to me that's not even coming close to a clinching TD.

That call probably works less than 25 percent of the time at that down and distance. I like our chances much more letting Campbell make a play, especially given his stellar play in the red zone.