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[quote=Dirtbag359;622575]Thats why I love the O-Line. Its the only position in football with virtually no preconcieved notions of racial bias. Of course if one wants to argue the validity of stereotypes in sports then I suggest you look no further then the worlds game, where virtually every race fields elite players. Plus if white people are so slow then how come the worlds fastest soccer player is a white guy (Messi)? Using race to determine athletic prowess is as useful as a hangnail. In short Iagree with Fred.[/quote]

Sure theres exceptions to every sterotype, and I agree that with the OL especially its probably the only position where it doesn't matter what race you are cause they all perform the same. QB I tend to go white, but don't get me wrong there are a lot of black QB's that are or where good. McNabb comes to mind first. But RB is, in our day, a typical black position. Like I said in my original statement name me one good white running back in the NFL. Riggo played in the days when players ran 4.9's and there weren't really any 4.4 speed guys. He played in the days when a 300 lb lineman were a rarity.

And I've seen Gehrhart play and he's a great college guy but not an nfl guy. He's just like jacob hester IMO, and Hesters been pretty lame for the chargers so I say save this pick for an OLman

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622872]Sure theres exceptions to every sterotype, and I agree that with the OL especially its probably the only position where it doesn't matter what race you are cause they all perform the same. QB I tend to go white, but don't get me wrong there are a lot of black QB's that are or where good. McNabb comes to mind first. But RB is, in our day, a typical black position. Like I said in my original statement name me one good white running back in the NFL. Riggo played in the days when players ran 4.9's and there weren't really any 4.4 speed guys. He played in the days when a 300 lb lineman were a rarity.

And I've seen Gehrhart play and he's a great college guy but not an nfl guy. He's just like jacob hester IMO, and Hesters been pretty lame for the chargers so I say save this pick for an OLman[/quote]

With those dinosaur attitudes of yours, did you time travel to get to the 21st century?

Read other comments above. To correlate race with athletic talent as you have done is not just unethical, it is inaccurate.

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[quote=Lotus;622904]With those dinosaur attitudes of yours, did you time travel to get to the 21st century?

Read other comments above. To correlate race with athletic talent as you have done is not just unethical, it is inaccurate.[/quote]

No its pretty accurate if you ask me, and true, its just that no one has the balls to put it up online, because race is such a heated issue.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622976]No its pretty accurate if you ask me, and true, its just that no one has the balls to put it up online, because race is such a heated issue.[/quote]

No. It is not the case that I think like you do but I am too cowed to say it. The fact is, I just don't see the world in terms of race like you do. Few people these days share your racist perspectives.

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[quote=Lotus;622994]No. It is not the case that I think like you do but I am too cowed to say it. The fact is, I just don't see the world in terms of race like you do. Few people these days share your racist perspectives.[/quote]

Look, I'm white, and I'm saying to not draft the white guy in terms of this gehrhart guy. I don't see all of the NFL like this, but its a topic that does come up, thats why theres a rooney rule, and other things involving race. I don't see how you can say I'm racist when I'm going against my own race, if I were racist I'd say draft the white guy, which I'm not.

Anyway since this thread is about who we should get in 2010, I think we should get Russell Okung or Ciron Black cause they both seem to be great LT's from LSU and OKSU. Jason Fox of miami seems like a good pickup at RT in the later rounds.

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[quote=Lotus;622994]No. It is not the case that I think like you do but I am too cowed to say it. The fact is, I just don't see the world in terms of race like you do. Few people these days share your racist perspectives.[/quote]

actually.....most people understand that white people are just slower....its not racist....its pretty much fact and has been proven

whether its genetics or luck or coincidence it doesnt matter.....but its pretty much understood that blacks are faster....thats not racist

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[quote=CantonLegend;623004]actually.....most people understand that [B]white people are just slower....its not racist....its pretty much fact and has been proven[/B]

whether its genetics or luck or coincidence it doesnt matter.....but its pretty much understood that blacks are faster....thats not racist[/quote]

Proven? In what studies? Please enlighten me.

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[quote=Lotus;623098]Proven? In what studies? Please enlighten me.[/quote]

Here it is to the Jimmy "The Greeks" in this forum.

On January 16, 1988, he was fired by the CBS network (where he was a contributor to the NFL Today program since 1976) after commenting to WRC-TV reporter Ed Hotaling in a Washington, D.C. restaurant that African Americans were naturally superior athletes at least in part because they had been bred to produce stronger offspring during slavery:
“ The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid. ”

According to the New York Times obit, Snyder expressed regret for his comments, remarking: "What a foolish thing to say."

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[quote=CultBrennan59;623002][B]Look, I'm white, and I'm saying to not draft the white guy in terms of this gehrhart guy. I don't see all of the NFL like this, but its a topic that does come up, thats why theres a rooney rule, and other things involving race. I don't see how you can say I'm racist when I'm going against my own race, if I were racist I'd say draft the white guy, which I'm not. [/B]

Anyway since this thread is about who we should get in 2010, I think we should get Russell Okung or Ciron Black cause they both seem to be great LT's from LSU and OKSU. Jason Fox of miami seems like a good pickup at RT in the later rounds.[/quote]

The Oxford English Dictionary describes "racism" thus:
"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race."

You argued that white people cannot play running back in the NFL. That is racism as defined above. It does not matter whether you personally are white, black, or purple striped.

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[quote=Lotus;623098]Proven? In what studies? Please enlighten me.[/quote]

the NFL, the olympics, almost all major sports except hockey

they are better athletes for whatever reason....its not racist at all.....quit holding onto whatever middle aged white male complex you have......white guys just arent as good at sports as black guys

i say that coming from a town of 500 people....graduating 40 kids a year from high school........coaching a predominantly white team with the rare black student athlete who almost always starts

my team wins the league almost every season and goes into the playoffs in the top half of the seeds.....we are a white public school but occasionally draw a black student or 2 from the surrounding areas who actually does play and makes huge impacts....usually on both offense and defense

when we go into the playoffs we usually do well until we have to play a catholic school or an inner city school that dominates with speed and athleticism that our school just cant compete with

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[quote=CultBrennan59;622976]No its pretty accurate if you ask me, and true, its just that no one has the balls to put it up online, because race is such a heated issue.[/quote]
:doh:
No, no one is idiotic enough to think it's remotely relative. Guess what, I don't know your race, but I know you are ignorant in this matter.

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[quote=CantonLegend;623103]the NFL, the olympics, almost all major sports except hockey

they are better athletes for whatever reason....its not racist at all.....quit holding onto whatever middle aged white male complex you have......white guys just arent as good at sports as black guys

i say that coming from a town of 500 people....graduating 40 kids a year from high school........coaching a predominantly white team with the rare black student athlete who almost always starts

my team wins the league almost every season and goes into the playoffs in the top half of the seeds.....we are a white public school but occasionally draw a black student or 2 from the surrounding areas who actually does play and makes huge impacts....usually on both offense and defense

when we go into the playoffs we usually do well until we have to play a catholic school or an inner city school that dominates with speed and athleticism that our school just cant compete with[/quote]

You said that certain racial characteristics were "proven." I asked you for studies which demonstrate your point. You responded with mindless, intolerant opinion.

Just admit that you are an ignorant racist so that we can move on.

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[quote=Lotus;623111]You said that certain racial characteristics were "proven." I asked you for studies which demonstrate your point. You responded with mindless, intolerant opinion.

Just admit that you are an ignorant racist so that we can move on.[/quote]

as of 2008, 70% if the players in the NFL are black

the most recent world record holders for the fastest times in the olympics are held by:

Usain Bolt
Tyson Gay
Asafa Powell
Obadele Thompson
Marion Jones

actually the last white sprinter to win a gold medal in the olympics was a man by the name of Allan Wells in 1980.....that was 30 years ago

also remember that was the olympics in which many countries boycotted because it was held in moscow

it doesnt take a scientific study to prove these things......just open your eyes

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[quote=Lotus;623100]The Oxford English Dictionary describes "racism" thus:
"The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race."

You argued that white people cannot play running back in the NFL. That is racism as defined above. It does not matter whether you personally are white, black, or purple striped.[/quote]

Gehrhart won't be a good running back. It's that simple I've already altered this thread from who would you pick in the 2010 draft to racism of football players. Its true that the NFL is mostly black players. Almost every running back in the league is black but a few. And those few all suck. End of Story.

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[quote=CantonLegend;623112]as of 2008, 70% if the players in the NFL are black

the most recent world record holders for the fastest times in the olympics are held by:

Usain Bolt
Tyson Gay
Asafa Powell
Obadele Thompson
Marion Jones

actually the last white sprinter to win a gold medal in the olympics was a man by the name of Allan Wells in 1980.....that was 30 years ago

also remember that was the olympics in which many countries boycotted because it was held in moscow

[B]it doesnt take a scientific study to prove these things......just open your eyes[/B][/quote]

Actually it definitely does take a scientific study to prove such things.

Keep arguing, though, because I'm enjoying watching a dinosaur racist reveal just how deeply ignorant he is. This is epic.