Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648172][B]Cleavlelands O-line is awful... worse than ours even. [/B] The same excuses people want to make for Campbell after 5 years and 50+ starts could apply to Quinn at 3 years and about a dozen starts. Campbell wasn't much better than Quinn at the same point in his career and Campbell was benefitting from a much more talented coaching staff and surrounding cast of players at the time. Campbell's exhausted all his excuses. Quinn still has plenty of them. I don't think that Quinn is ever going to be a great QB, but he's got more of a chance to be a good one than Campbell does.[/quote]

Huh?

They have a Pro Bowler at left tackle with Joe Thomas. They have one of the most promising young centers in the league, Alex Mack. Steinbach makes a very capable guard. The right side of their line could be upgraded, that is true, but there is no way that Cleveland's OL is worse than ours. OL, in fact, is one of Cleveland's strengths. Their offensive problems derive much more from their skill positions, not from the OL.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=Mattyk;648080]Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams[/quote]

I actually believe JC will be a pretty hot item and think St. Louis and Seattle will be the teams to take serious looks at him. Holmgren at Cleveland is the darkhorse...I think Zorn QB coach there and bringing along JC would make sense. Anderson is most likly going to be cut, Quinn and JC could make for an interesting battle at QB. I like Cleveland to draft Defense with their first pick and Clausen going to either the Rams or Seahawks...Bruce should tender JC and if he gets offered a second round pick, I couldnt see how he would turn it down. Even though I would like to see JC remain as we pick a young QB to develop in the draft, I have a feeling the "new adminstration (Shanny & Co.)" is gonna want to wash their hands of many, many players currently on the roster, JC probably being near the top of that list.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=44Deezel;648175]I want him back, but also want the Skins to use their first pick on a QB. The number one ingredient to winning a super bowl is an elite QB - Manning, Warner, Brady, Elway, etc. Yes, you can win with the Dilfers, Elis and Big Bens of the world (although I think he's closer to the elite category), but they are more the exception than the rule. [B]There are going to be some QBs in next year's draft that go onto greatness.[/B] I think we need to take a shot at getting one.

The O line can be fixed with other draft picks and via free agency. Trade Cooley for picks and grab a RB and Free Safety.[/quote]

how do you know? there is nothing saying clausen won't be the same as quinn, and whats to say bradford's shoulder is done?

you can never tell who will be great. elway and manning were number one overall and panned out, for each manning and elway there are ten jamarcus russells, and warner was undrafted and brady was barely drafted in the 7th

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[quote=SmootSmack;648161]Cleveland-Worse than ours? Interesting since it features two first round picks in Thomas and Mack, and a free-agent they spent a lot of money on in Steinbach

Oakland-If he can't beat out Russell in a fair competition, he should just retire

Carolina-Moore is playing well, but that's not to say Campbell couldn't pretty easily start over him

Tampa Bay-Agreed. But...if they make a coaching change all bets are off

St. Louis-No guarantee they'll take a QB in the first round

Campbell isn't a bad quarterback. I'm one of those who wants us to move forward without him, but I'm not going to make the guy worse than he is just to feel better about my opinion.[/quote]


Cleaveland - results speak for themselves.

Carolina - Moore's playing well, so why would they bring in someone else to start? Sure, they could bring him in to back Moore up and take over if he hits a wall or starts playing poorly, but I don't think Campbell would "easily" start over many QBs in the league. He could compete with guys like Moore, Freeman, Quinn, etc., but that doesn't mean he'd win. And I certainly think the guys with experience in the system would have the upper hand.

Oakland - I agree. What the heck is the matter with Russell anyways? What a moron.

St. Louis - nothing's garaunteed, but I think its a pretty safe bet. It'll be Suh or a QB for them, but thats a franchise that has absolutely no identity. They're probably the team in the league most desperate for a "franchise QB." The pressure will be high to draft one, although if theyre smart, they'll take Suh.

Tampa Bay - Pretty much all the teams we are discussing couuld making coaching staff changes, but I don't think that would necessarily give Campbell an advantage anywhere. There are two things about Campbell I think we should all remember: 1) Reportely, one of the main reasons Gregg Williams didn't get the job here is he wanted nothing to do with Campbell because he felt he was a "coach-killer." This is the same Gregg Williams who oversaw a defense that practiced against Campbell and observed him in great detail for 3 years. That's telling. 2) Josh McDaniels preferred Kyle Orton over Jason Campbell and thats why Cutler's not our quarterback now. Kyle Orton. Over Jason Campbell.

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Brady was actually drafted in the 6th, not that that was the point.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648190]Cleaveland - results speak for themselves.


St. Louis - nothing's garaunteed, but I think its a pretty safe bet. It'll be Suh or a QB for them, but thats a franchise that has absolutely no identity. They're probably the team in the league most desperate for a "franchise QB." The pressure will be high to draft one, although if theyre smart, they'll take Suh.

[/quote]

Very similar to the Falcons situation in 2008. People were calling for them to select Glen Dorsey and instead they selected Matt Ryan. Now Glen Dorsey has been good, but nearly as dominant as people expected him to be. Ryan has also struggled in his second year but still has the makings of a franchise QB, not to mention he led his team to the playoffs last year. On top of that Ryans numbers seem to be misleading he has an 80.1 QB rating with 20 TD's and 12 ints. JC meanwhile has an 85 rating with 18 TD's and 15 int's.

Personally I'm hoping the Rams take Suh, or better yet Clausen. If Shannahan feels Bradford is the best QB for his system then I want him on our team. Select a bunch of O-Lineman starting with the second round and hope for at least a starter and at most a Marcus McNeil type player.

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Raise your hand if you'd prefer Levi Jones, Derrick Dockery, and Casey Rabach to Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, and Alex Mack

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;648225]Raise your hand if you'd prefer Levi Jones, Derrick Dockery, and Casey Rabach to Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, and Alex Mack[/quote]

There should be no discussion to this.

At all.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

I stand corrected on Cleavelands line. I didnt realize it had improved so much since last year. NFL.com has them ranked 11th this year. Still, I don't change my opinion that Brady Quinn is similar to where Jason Campbell was at the same point in his career and, by default, Quinn has more upside. I seriously doubt there are any teams out there salivating at the possibility of landing Campbell in the offseason.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

Quinn is pretty bad. He had 3 starts this year where he threw for less than 100 yards. At this point I would say his upside is pretty low. Is there a team out there that would choose Quinn over JC if given the choice between the two??

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Sorry Big Hair, but I disagree. Too much bad Qbing going on for JC not to garner at least some interest by at least a handful of teams. I hope we end up getting a QB in rounds 2-3. Canfield, Stull, Sheehan, Brown, Elliot, Lefevour, and definitely Kafka from Northwestern will be available then. Next season Dalton, Keenum, and Enderle will up for grabs. I say keep JC and dump the other two and get some young studs in here. There is a lot of QB talent going under the radar because of the "Big 4". Mallet in 2012 will be the hot commodity at QB, unless he gets hurt. God I hope we don't go Bradford. He isn't even playing in his bowl game. One whack from Ware and his shoulder will be toast.

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How does Quinn have more upside by default?

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;648233]I stand corrected on Cleavelands line. I didnt realize it had improved so much since last year. NFL.com has them ranked 11th this year. Still, I don't change my opinion that Brady Quinn is similar to where Jason Campbell was at the same point in his career and, by default, Quinn has more upside. I seriously doubt there are any teams out there salivating at the possibility of landing Campbell in the offseason.[/quote]


Quinn absolutely sucks Big Hair. How can you get pulled for Derek Anderson? Last decent NFL QB from ND was Joey T. It is like a curse or something, even bigger than the Madden curse.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

No, for multiple reasons...1) he doesn't read defenses, does not seem to adjust to the game 2) his accuracy is poor....throws in the dirt, over head, behind receiver. He has to have the team record for 5 yards of fewer pass completions, when the reciever is standing still. When it is 3rd and 8....bs.. 3) no big time plays when we need them....when was the last time he took us down the field to win the in the final 2 minutes? 4) slow release......reaction time......and stupid decisions.....2 intential grouding calls in one game? 4) he doesn't want to be back...when asked he said, "we'll see"....I don't want him back if he doesn't want to be back. 5) he will never take a team to the SB...I don't care how great the line is.....that is an excuse....good QB's make plays. 6) it really doesn't matter...if the Skins wanted him back he would already be signed.......he will not be the Skins starting QB next year......good luck in St. Louis/TB ....or wherever Jason.......you will be lucky to be a starter next year........................

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=kjahorski;649236]No, for multiple reasons...1) he doesn't read defenses, does not seem to adjust to the game 2) his accuracy is poor....throws in the dirt, over head, behind receiver. He has to have the team record for 5 yards of fewer pass completions, when the reciever is standing still. When it is 3rd and 8....bs.. 3) no big time plays when we need them....when was the last time he took us down the field to win the in the final 2 minutes? 4) slow release......reaction time......and stupid decisions.....2 intential grouding calls in one game? 4) he doesn't want to be back...when asked he said, "we'll see"....I don't want him back if he doesn't want to be back. 5) he will never take a team to the SB...I don't care how great the line is.....that is an excuse....good QB's make plays. 6) it really doesn't matter...if the Skins wanted him back he would already be signed.......he will not be the Skins starting QB next year......good luck in St. Louis/TB ....or wherever Jason.......you will be lucky to be a starter next year........................[/quote]



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