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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1033530]No that is not correct. Robert did everything he said he would play week 1. Except he should have tempered his ego and waited until he was full strength and really that is what Shanny said the team wanted. So by that fault is placed. What type of guy rushes back from injury not once but twice to fail? What coach allows that to happen when a competent backup is ready? We could have lost the Seattle game and still be 1-4 with Kirk, but we also could have been better b/c a hurt Rob is NOT better than Kirk. Part of being a team player is trusting your team and being a part of the team. We ddnt get in the playoffs by anything other than Rob ruining at least the 2012 and 2013 season. Rob said, " you would have to carry me off the field before I'd leave" great, prophecy fullfilled on the most disappointing stage in decades.

If 2012,2013 seasons are wasted and no 2014 1st round pick, we need 1 shanahan sacrificed after this season. Which idiot shanahan scripts a wreck less game plan and for an encore creates the biggest pile of shit to expose every weakness said QB has week in and out? That's the Shanny that needs to be escorted off company grounds.[/quote]

Rob 3 sticks is, has and, always will be a better quarterback than KC. As a football player the only way to work yourself back from an injury is to play football. You don't sit your starter. If he's healthy enough to start after reconstruction surgery, you start him, and he pays his way back into form.
Injured football players need to "feel" the game, and after injury their bodies have to catch back up to game speed. The ONLY way to do that is to play. He would have been 2, 3, or 4 games from the point where he is now if he didn't play his way back into form.
He almost singlehandedly won 5 games last year, and due to the "gimmick" offense he was almost unstoppable. Now that the NFL defenses have caught up with Little Shanny's trick, he has to learn how to be successful in the same offense that Grossman ran two years ago. That's the problem!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1033555]Da Fuq?[/quote]

Yeah man. Seems like you need to hear what I have to say.

Stop looking at an NFCE division 1st place as the end all goal. Since '99 that hasn't happened. It earned us a home playoff game which we couldn't even win and watched it slip away. The only reason the division happened is b/c of Rob, despite as wreck less as shanhahans were but eventually the ruined him in the playoffs and the 2013 season.
Da fuq is not being all 'rah rah about it b/c good teams repeat success, not hang their hat on that 1 good season b/c for an encore we are battling for the basement in the division the following year and possibly for many more to come as we are at the cross roads of dumb coaching, name hating politics, dangerous scheme for our QB, Haslett and gutter defense= how many more years of this do we had to endure? As soon as we find a way out Shanahans take it away.

Da fuq is not being content with the past but that's all this team has. What matters is today. Today we are f'n losers.
I'm sick of "but there is always next year" or "remember back when" as the redskins motto. As that next year rolls around we will repeat our same failures if we keep using our QB in the manner that Kyle uses him, you know as a RB/QB/WR.

I'm sorry but I'm not satisfied with once in 14 years and hosting a playoff game to blow a lead and watch mgt ruin a great potential. And be questioned like 1-4 en route to 5-11 is part of the plan toward success. Da fuq is not having control of the franchise to tank Robert one year and drag the team and fans down the following. I don't get that other than that is life as an observer/fan of one of the worst franchises in the league. But hey the team has a long history and there's always next year

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I don't wanna downplay the run we had last year or RG's awesomeness, but I don't see many ppl remembering how bad the division was and how easy our schedule was. Iggles completely imploded. Cowboys defense lost 8-9 starters. Giants were already on their way to the bottom. And somebody here mentioned only two of our wins last season came against teams above .500.

On the other hand I didn't think we played to our potential even during the run last season. I see our players do some special things individually but the lack of discipline, preparedness and heart had been pretty consistent.

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[quote=The Goat;1033693]I don't wanna downplay the run we had last year or RG's awesomeness, but I don't see many ppl remembering how bad the division was and how easy our schedule was. Iggles completely imploded. Cowboys defense lost 8-9 starters. Giants were already on their way to the bottom. And somebody here mentioned only two of our wins last season came against teams above .500.

On the other hand I didn't think we played to our potential even during the run last season. I see our players do some special things individually but the lack of discipline, preparedness and heart had been pretty consistent.[/quote]

Really nice revisionist history. "We won seven games in spite of bad coaching and were really just lucky."

Let's get our facts straight shall we? During our run we beat the Cowboys (twice), the Giants, the Eagles (twice), the Ravens (you know, the eventual SB winners), and the Browns (with our back-up rookie QB, btw). In that run we scored 27 or more points six times and topped 30 points four times.

Had we not beaten the Cowboys (twice), they would have had a record of either 9-7 or 10-6 and would been in the play-offs had we even one lost just one to them. As to their "8-9 starters", please tell me who they were. I know S. Lee went down (a big loss), Radcliff (not so much), but, as I recall, we were playing w/out a few guys too. Outside the division, they were 5-5.

Had we not beaten the Giants (who were 7-4 to our 5-6 when we played them), they would have ended up 10-6 and in the play-offs. After playing us, their only other two losses were to the Baltimore Ravens, in Baltimore (You know, the eventual SB champs) and Atlanta in Atlanta (the NFC West Champs). Outside the division they were 6-4 (including wins over SF and GBay).

The only "gimme" games in the run were the Eagles. Cleveland wasn't good but we were down our starting QB. I seem to recall the rest of the team demonstrating a great deal of " discipline, preparedness and heart" in that game.

Have they lacked those things so far this year? Yup. However, to assert they lacked "discipline, preparedness and heart" during the run is simply ignorant, subjective, revisionist history originating from, consistent with and now used for support of your "Shanahan sucks at everything and always has" mindset.

... but, hey, every village needs an idiot. Thanks for filling an essential role here on the WP.

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Ultimately it is the players out there making the plays not the coaches. Haslett isn't telling anybody to blow open field tackles or to have neutral zone infractions. Kyle isn't causing Robert to over throw his recievers or to both handoffs to Al Mo. Could I disagree with some play calling on both sides of the ball? absolutely.But I don't see the coaches as losing the locker room as they say, rather we are playing poorly.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1033716]Ultimately it is the players out there making the plays not the coaches. Haslett isn't telling anybody to blow open field tackles or to have neutral zone infractions. Kyle isn't causing Robert to over throw his recievers or to both handoffs to Al Mo. Could I disagree with some play calling on both sides of the ball? absolutely.But I don't see the coaches as losing the locker room as they say, rather we are playing poorly.[/quote]

I agree. Overall this year our greatest failing has been a lack of intensity. Some of this problem is on the coaches.

But it is also true that NFL players are grown men who should be self-starters. It's their reputation and their next contract which is on the line when they take the field. Players should be motivated by their own pride. Therefore coaches are never entirely to blame when players lack intensity like ours have.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1033700]Really nice revisionist history. "We won seven games in spite of bad coaching and [B]were really just lucky.[/B]"

[B]Let's get our facts straight shall we? During our run we beat the Cowboys (twice), the Giants, the Eagles (twice), the Ravens (you know, the eventual SB winners), and the Browns (with our back-up rookie QB, btw). In that run we scored 27 or more points six times and topped 30 points four times. [/B]

Had we not beaten the Cowboys (twice), they would have had a record of either 9-7 or 10-6 and would been in the play-offs had we even one lost just one to them. As to their "8-9 starters", please tell me who they were. I know S. Lee went down (a big loss), Radcliff (not so much), but, as I recall, we were playing w/out a few guys too. Outside the division, they were 5-5.

Had we not beaten the Giants (who were 7-4 to our 5-6 when we played them), they would have ended up 10-6 and in the play-offs. After playing us, their only other two losses were to the Baltimore Ravens, in Baltimore (You know, the eventual SB champs) and Atlanta in Atlanta (the NFC West Champs). Outside the division they were 6-4 (including wins over SF and GBay).

The only "gimme" games in the run were the Eagles. Cleveland wasn't good but we were down our starting QB. I seem to recall the rest of the team demonstrating a great deal of " discipline, preparedness and heart" in that game.

Have they lacked those things so far this year? Yup. However, to assert they lacked "discipline, preparedness and heart" during the run is simply ignorant, subjective, revisionist history originating from, consistent with and now used for support of your "Shanahan sucks at everything and always has" mindset.

... but, hey, every village needs an idiot. Thanks for filling an essential role here on the WP.[/quote]

Yah..........So!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1033700]Really nice revisionist history. "We won seven games in spite of bad coaching and were really just lucky."

Let's get our facts straight shall we? During our run we beat the Cowboys (twice), the Giants, the Eagles (twice), the Ravens (you know, the eventual SB winners), and the Browns (with our back-up rookie QB, btw). In that run we scored 27 or more points six times and topped 30 points four times.

Had we not beaten the Cowboys (twice), they would have had a record of either 9-7 or 10-6 and would been in the play-offs had we even one lost just one to them. As to their "8-9 starters", please tell me who they were. I know S. Lee went down (a big loss), Radcliff (not so much), but, as I recall, we were playing w/out a few guys too. Outside the division, they were 5-5.

Had we not beaten the Giants (who were 7-4 to our 5-6 when we played them), they would have ended up 10-6 and in the play-offs. After playing us, their only other two losses were to the Baltimore Ravens, in Baltimore (You know, the eventual SB champs) and Atlanta in Atlanta (the NFC West Champs). Outside the division they were 6-4 (including wins over SF and GBay).

The only "gimme" games in the run were the Eagles. Cleveland wasn't good but we were down our starting QB. I seem to recall the rest of the team demonstrating a great deal of " discipline, preparedness and heart" in that game.

Have they lacked those things so far this year? Yup. However, to assert they lacked "discipline, preparedness and heart" during the run is simply ignorant, subjective, revisionist history originating from, consistent with and now used for support of your "Shanahan sucks at everything and always has" mindset.

... but, hey, every village needs an idiot. Thanks for filling an essential role here on the WP.[/quote]


LOLOL. Daaayyumm..

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[quote=The Goat;1033324]C'mon man. In space Helu is excellent and has that 2nd gear unlike most of our weapons. He's not a power back but to say he's terrible.

...I see way more positive out there than most of you guys and I get labeled the pessimist. What the deuce?[/quote]

In light of yesterday, I owe Helu an apology. He was patient, played with burst and power. I'd love to see this consistently from him. If that becomes the norm, the 1-2-2A punch of Morris, Helu and Griffin makes our run game nearly unstoppable.

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Helu is legit. I don't recall who said it, but apparently he really hit the weight room hard last offseason and it shows.

I think yesterday showed how this offense really hums when we can run the ball effectively. It opens things up for Griffin in the passing game too. With Griffin getting his legs back we have a deadly 3 headed monster in the backfield.

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We can still win this division. RG3 is starting to look more to his original form.

We had a cap restriction and less picks than other teams because of the trade. We should take this into consideration when viewing the 2013 year. If we get to the playoffs this year it will be a testament to the coaching, players, and scouting departments.

No team has top players at every position. The NFL doesn't work that way. That is the beauty of the league. Next year we will get the complimentary reciever to Garcon, a quality line and secondary help.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1034680]We can still win this division. RG3 is starting to look more to his original form.
[B]
We had a cap restriction[/B] and less picks than other teams because of the trade. We should take this into consideration when viewing the 2013 year. If we get to the playoffs this year it will be a testament to the coaching, players, and scouting departments.

No team has top players at every position. The NFL doesn't work that way. That is the beauty of the league. Next year we will get the complimentary reciever to Garcon, a quality line and secondary help.[/quote]

Thank you for reiterating this. A lot of the moronic criticism we're seeing around here conveniently forgets this major detail.

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Call me crazy, but I have this weird feeling that the Redskins are going to beat the Broncos and go on a huge winning streak. I just sense a huge turnaround.

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[quote=skinsguy;1034688]Call me crazy, but I have this weird feeling that the Redskins are going to beat the Broncos and go on a huge winning streak. I just sense a huge turnaround.[/quote]

if there's any better time to do it, it's this year. Did anybody see the cowboys vs eagles game yesterday? Those 2 teams look like effing garbage. Pathetic crap on the field up in Philly yesterday.

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[quote=Chico23231;1034689]if there's any better time to do it, it's this year. Did anybody see the cowboys vs eagles game yesterday? Those 2 teams look like effing garbage. Pathetic crap on the field up in Philly yesterday.[/quote]

Yeah and both those garbage teams beat us.. :doh: