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The Skins will Sign Cousins..However when they do make him one of the highest paid QB's in the League and he struggles some and he has those moments with game on the line and does not get it done there will be pages and pages on these forums about what were the Skins thinking when they gave it all to this guy..Look I am pro Kirk however it is refreshing to see the Front office not jumping the gun and at least play out all options..This team is not a QB away from a Super Bowl team..period. in fact the Offense most likely won't have the talent next year than i did this year. Denver with a aging Peyton won super bowl last year in spite of Peyton because they had a stud team around them..Dallas was very good this year with a rookie QB but look at their OL and Running game and D. We need to sign Cousins BUT how much is to much and what is wrong with seeing what some desperate team may give up to get him..Are you guys saying you would turn down 3 number one picks for Cousins?? What would you Give him up for? i believe there is a team out there that might would do that .I would never trade him for one pick but 3 number ones...Yes I would .

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Other teams can't negotiate with Kirk Cousins right now, so there's really no rush. I'm sure the tires are being kicked right now in terms of contract negotiations, but you just won't hear much until the deadlines.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1164373]Well, you have apparently gone full ShakySnake on this topic.

Let's compare our sources: My sources, the President of the Redskins and the Redskins Head Coach, say that it is a virtual certainty that Kirk will be with the team in 2017. Your source, one of our posters, says that what they said is just "coach speak". So you weigh the credibility of the sources and come to the conclusion that the Redskins might not re-sign Kirk, thus causing the sky to fall and forcing you to renounce your Redskins fandom forever.

Nice job of seeing right through those lying bastards at Redskins Park.[/quote]

Hey I get what you are saying, I know how it must sound. But how many times have we seen Bill Belichick lie about something team related? How many times has he said "We have no plans to sign - "XXX" Player", and then they go and do it? I'm just saying every coach in the NFL lies when it is to protect the best interest of the team.

So if I am right about Kirk, and I might be, is anybody going to apologize to me? Hey I hope he stays here forever, but this is the redskins we are talking about. I'll be glad when the Cousins situation is over with one way or the other so we can all get back to posting about "regular" stuff, the games, etc....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164364]That's not true according to that ESPN Article on Cousins, called "Kirk Cousins has millions of reasons not to fear the franchise tag". They said that the skins have been free to re-negotiate with Cousins since the minute the regular season ended[/quote]

Because the only source I could find is an uncredible SB Nation article that says they can start negotiating after Jan 1st 2017 I will take your word for it.

But...

Counterpoint: How do you know they haven't been negotiating for a month already? I know it's hard but in this day and age it is possible to conduct negotiations in secret. Maybe they already came to a deal and are waiting until after the Super Bowl to announce it.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164411]Hey I get what you are saying, I know how it must sound. But how many times have we seen Bill Belichick lie about something team related? How many times has he said "We have no plans to sign - "XXX" Player", and then they go and do it? I'm just saying every coach in the NFL lies when it is to protect the best interest of the team.

So if I am right about Kirk, and I might be, is anybody going to apologize to me? Hey I hope he stays here forever, but this is the redskins we are talking about. I'll be glad when the Cousins situation is over with one way or the other so we can all get back to posting about "regular" stuff, the games, etc....[/quote]

If you are right and Kirk Cousins walks, either in FA or trade, as highly unlikely as I think it is, I will kneel before your might and recognize your power as the soothsayer of Redskin country. (figuratively speaking).

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Damn. Charley Casserly cutting to the chase about Cousins. You have to respect his opinion, and it would perhaps lineup to why the Skins are hesitant to pay Cousins a ton of money.


[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/charley-casserly-explains-why-he-would-take-joe-flacco-over-kirk-cousins?utm_content=buffer872b7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Charley Casserly explains why he would take Joe Flacco over Kirk Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164411]Hey I get what you are saying, I know how it must sound. But how many times have we seen Bill Belichick lie about something team related? How many times has he said "We have no plans to sign - "XXX" Player", and then they go and do it? I'm just saying every coach in the NFL lies when it is to protect the best interest of the team.

[B]So if I am right about Kirk, and I might be, is anybody going to apologize to me? [/B]Hey I hope he stays here forever, but this is the redskins we are talking about. I'll be glad when the Cousins situation is over with one way or the other so we can all get back to posting about "regular" stuff, the games, etc....[/quote]

Nope, you know that the messenger is always the one that gets the arrows! j/k

If they don't sign KC then there will be so much wailing and gnashing of teeth on this site, that I would offer this piece of advice - don't say I told you so, don't even think it, stick with the Hey it's the Redskins duh, line of commenting, at least for the first month. By draft time, you can start saying how you called it.

Just friendly advice from a guy with a quiver full of arrows! :duel:

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1164279]I'm with you 100%. We've all endured countless horrors since Snyder has owned the team. Letting his franchise QB walk will be the nail in the coffin for me. As much as I love this team, you are right we can't continue to support stupidity and ineptitude. I'm actually looking forward to continue to root for Cousins wherever he lands.[/quote]

What if they let him walk and he ends up playing like Joe Flacco? (definitely not worth the money) Would you feel different then? Denver fans are loving the fact their GM didn't throw Houston kind of money at Brock Osweiler. Crazy thing is, they weren't too far off on the money that was offered. Needless to say, they dodged a bullet. Not saying this is the same case, but it's something needs to be thought about.

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I think the Joe Flacco numbers might be a bit inflated based on the Super Bowl win (and his play during the playoffs that year). If someone offered him that contract and we didn't match it, I'd still be pissed because it seems every single year someone gets some insane contract. After that, it suddenly becomes the status quo.

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Just let the chips fall where they will. Both sides of the debate have legit points. It is a gamble either way. Kirk could get a huge contract and play mediocre or great or he can walk and play either way. Major decisions are always a gamble.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1164428]Damn. Charley Casserly cutting to the chase about Cousins. You have to respect his opinion, and it would perhaps lineup to why the Skins are hesitant to pay Cousins a ton of money.


[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/charley-casserly-explains-why-he-would-take-joe-flacco-over-kirk-cousins?utm_content=buffer872b7&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]Charley Casserly explains why he would take Joe Flacco over Kirk Cousins | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

I definitely understand Casserly's point. I keep going back to certain points in a quarterback's career that defines his career from that point forward. Such as John Elway and "the drive". I believe that drive is what told the rest of the NFL that John Elway was something special.

But, one thing about Redskins quarterbacks, even dating back to the glory years, the quarterbacks were never anything special. I would probably include Joe Theismann with that. While I believe he was probably the closest to being a franchise quarterback, there were quarterbacks in the league who were a heck of a lot better than him. Yet, the Redskins still won Super Bowls.

I just feel that the Redskins have always been built to be a team that wins Super Bowls as a team, not because of a franchise quarterback. Sure, the QB has to be good enough to get you there, but it seems like the strength of this franchise in the past has always been built around other things: a strong running game, an elite group of wide receivers who could make anybody look like a hall of fame quarterback, and a strong defense with ball hawking corners. When the Redskins were winning Super Bowls consistently, the reason was never first - the quarterback - it was usually the above reasons that made the team so great.

So, having said all of that. I don't believe Kirk Cousins is going to be anywhere close to a John Elway, Joe Montana, or a Tom Brady. I don't even know if we will ever feel he can be a true franchise quarterback. But, I think with a solid team built around him and a great defense, he brings enough to the table to make a good run toward the Super Bowl. Based on that, I would sign him.

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Cousins at the pro bowl talking about Matt Cavanaugh moving to OC

“I love the fact that we’re not starting over,” Cousins said. “We’ve learned a certain way of doing things for a couple of years now and with Coach Cav as the coordinator, we’ll be able to keep that rolling, as opposed to having to start all over with a brand new system and terminology and philosophy.”

Doesn't sound like hes moved on. They will get him back.

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[quote=metalskins;1164469]
I just feel that the Redskins have always been built to be a team that wins Super Bowls as a team, not because of a franchise quarterback. Sure, the QB has to be good enough to get you there, but it seems like the strength of this franchise in the past has always been built around other things: a strong running game, an elite group of wide receivers who could make anybody look like a hall of fame quarterback, and a strong defense with ball hawking corners. When the Redskins were winning Super Bowls consistently, the reason was never first - the quarterback - it was usually the above reasons that made the team so great. [/quote]

The rules have changed a lot since 1991 in favor of the offensive passing game.

This puts a lot more emphasis on the QB position.

[url=http://www.docsports.com/current/super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks.html]Super Bowl Winning Quarterbacks - List of Winning Quarterbacks for Each Super Bowl[/url]

Look at the list, good to great QBs usually play in superbowls.

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From Cousins today on how having a long term deal would help him:
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^ I can't think of any reason why the lack of a long-term contract would inhibit Kirk's freedom to lead. This quote doesn't make any sense to me. "Permission" ??? "Leash"??? What the heck is he talking about?