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If Ben Johnson is hired as HC, Hank Fraley former Eagle OL and Gaithersburg HS alumni would be his OL coach.


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I don't have any Ben Johnson football cards. If we're going Detroit, let's get Aaron Glenn.

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macdonald and johnson would be good (people that have been talked to), and harbaugh too (who hasn't been contacted that I've seen).

I think that's the top three for me and they have a good bit of separation from the rest of the field. Obviously, nothing's guaranteed, etc.

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[quote=calia;1357619]OMG - Rivera is interviewing for the Eagles DC position. Please hire him. And Del Rio while you’re at it.


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Rooney rule on Ron ? I'm not sure if it applies to him..

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[QUOTE=calia;1357619]OMG - Rivera is interviewing for the Eagles DC position. Please hire him. And Del Rio while you’re at it.


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Just saw this. Wtf? There is no way NFL people aren’t aware of how terrible the D was under Ron? How do you interview him to lead your defense with a straight face?

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1357632]Just saw this. Wtf? There is no way NFL people aren’t aware of how terrible the D was under Ron? How do you interview him to lead your defense with a straight face?[/QUOTE]


Let’s just hope they do.


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1357624]If Ben Johnson is hired as HC, Hank Fraley former Eagle OL and Gaithersburg HS alumni would be his OL coach.


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I would love this as I'm a Gaithersburg HS alum and played for the legend John Harvill!

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Not reading into this because the HC is only one piece of the puzzle but take from it what you might:

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2024/1/23/24047790/reviewing-nfl-head-coach-hirings-over-the-past-5-years-for-success-trends[/url]

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If we hire a OC as Head coach I hope he also is OC for us ... makes no sense otherwise !! Same for DC .

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I'm gonna play devils advocate..
scenario #1
We hire a OC or DC to be HC .. the offense struggles however the DC has the D rockin (or vice versa) with that scenario you essentially have your Head coach struggling because the O or D is not clicking .. to make a change requires The Head coach to be fired .
Scenario #2
You Hire a head coach and he hires a OC and DC ..the head coach in the style of Dan Campbell,Mike Tomlin,Mike Vrabel,Harbaugh.. etc if he is a good leader he has the OPTION to fire coordinators if they don't produce WITHOUT a complete re-boot !

I almost to the point of wanting a head coach who is a PROVEN LEADER who gets the team ready and let him bring in his Coordinators. The ravens are doing it that way , Chiefs and Lions both do it that way .. San Fran has Kyle as HC/OC

What do you guys think ??

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1357657]I'm gonna play devils advocate..
scenario #1
We hire a OC or DC to be HC .. the offense struggles however the DC has the D rockin (or vice versa) with that scenario you essentially have your Head coach struggling because the O or D is not clicking .. to make a change requires The Head coach to be fired .
Scenario #2
You Hire a head coach and he hires a OC and DC ..the head coach in the style of Dan Campbell,Mike Tomlin,Mike Vrabel,Harbaugh.. etc if he is a good leader he has the OPTION to fire coordinators if they don't produce WITHOUT a complete re-boot !

I almost to the point of wanting a head coach who is a PROVEN LEADER who gets the team ready and let him bring in his Coordinators. The ravens are doing it that way , Chiefs and Lions both do it that way .. San Fran has Kyle as HC/OC

What do you guys think ??[/QUOTE]

I think some Coaches can handle both Head Coach and Coordinator duties, and some cannot - and you don't find out which one you are until (if) you try it.

Fact is, there are examples of both scenarios failing and succeeding.

I just hope they get it right. That's where I'm at.

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Either way it is not going to be a knee jerk reaction if there is a struggle year one the coordinator or the HC aren't going to be fired. Over the last 5 years 23 of 32 teams have had a head coaching change 35 hired with 16 fired so there is a chance we don't get it right the first time.

Peters was the top candidate by many sources for a GM hire for the entire league and we got him. If he doesn't get it right the first hire I am pretty confident he will learn from it and get a better guy the next go round. I am also pretty confident that we will see a vast improvement in the first hire over what we have seen the last decade.

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[quote=rocnrik;1357657]I'm gonna play devils advocate..
scenario #1
We hire a OC or DC to be HC .. the offense struggles however the DC has the D rockin (or vice versa) with that scenario you essentially have your Head coach struggling because the O or D is not clicking .. to make a change requires The Head coach to be fired .
Scenario #2
You Hire a head coach and he hires a OC and DC ..the head coach in the style of Dan Campbell,Mike Tomlin,Mike Vrabel,Harbaugh.. etc if he is a good leader he has the OPTION to fire coordinators if they don't produce WITHOUT a complete re-boot !

I almost to the point of wanting a head coach who is a PROVEN LEADER who gets the team ready and let him bring in his Coordinators. The ravens are doing it that way , Chiefs and Lions both do it that way .. San Fran has Kyle as HC/OC

What do you guys think ??[/quote]

As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1357665]As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?[/quote]

Word is because he's likely going to want some power in the front office/personnel.

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I don't want Vrable, none of BB's guys have done anything. Plus his offenses are BORING AS HELL

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1357667]I don't want Vrable, none of BB's guys have done anything. Plus his offenses are BORING AS HELL[/quote]

I think a lot of that was they never really had a top QB. But he still got one game away from the SB w/ Tannehill.

But if he wants say in personnel then I'd say we have to pass. I want a coach who is in charge of the team, not a coach who has say in who comes on the team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1357676]I think a lot of that was they never really had a top QB. But he still got one game away from the SB w/ Tannehill.

But if he wants say in personnel then I'd say we have to pass. I want a coach who is in charge of the team, not a coach who has say in who comes on the team.[/quote]

Well coaches should at least be able to submit needs to the GM and then let the GM decide how and when to fill them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1357665]As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?[/quote]

Doesn't mean they haven't, maybe its what some say about him wanting player control over the GM, maybe he just sees this as a complete rebuild and he'd rather go to a team that is closer roster wise. Maybe they called and he said thanks but no thanks. I think it would be uncharacteristic judging by how they have gone about it so far, of this new group to not have at least considered him. Maybe they had already decided on Johnson before Vrabel became available.

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Yeah I think the principle of the ideal situation is that the GM, HC and head of scouting should work hand in glove when it comes to the final decisions. HoS should get a clear direction form the GM what types of player to prioritise, come back to him with a list, reports etc. then GM agrees with HoS who to focus on in that list. HC should be working with the the GM to stay aligned on where the strengths and weaknesses are on the current roster, to inform that focus. GM should be scouring the league for FA's, potential cuts etc. to inform the HC what he thinks the team should list as active targets, with the GM informing the list re cap space etc. Then they should all sit down at each key stage of the year and agree the final shape of those lists. GM has sign off in teh end because he controls the purse strings, but he cannot and should not be doing it alone.

The issue with a coach holding that GM power is that he is trying to balance the books and the roster at the same time. Like a HC also being OC/DC (not just calling plays, though I don't think a HC should be calling plays either), I don't see how they can do both jobs to the fullest capability. It's a recipe for burnout and/or failure.

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[quote=MTK;1357666]Word is because he's likely going to want some power in the front office/personnel.[/quote]

Then he can get bent!

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Any HC is going to want to have some say into player acquisitions .. Dan and his goons pretty much picked who they wanted regardless of the coach opinion and look what happened.. We could do a lot worse than Vrabel as HC .

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Having a say and wanting equal or final decision making power are not the same things. I would imagine most GM's/HC's work together to build the roster. But the GM is at least 51/49 on final roster decisions.

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Harbaugh to Chargers. It’s official. I actually thought we should pursue him. The record is undeniable.


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[quote=calia;1357686]Harbaugh to Chargers. It’s official. I actually thought we should pursue him. The record is undeniable.

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I think he's a perfect fit for San Diego. Good for the Chargers.

Michigan got their title.

Harbaugh seems to be plenty of things, but he's smart and a damn good football mind.

Our HC is going to be Aaron Glenn or Mike Macdonald. My predictions, based on nothing but guessing and gut.

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For all you Ben Johnson fans, here’s a great read.

[url]https://markbullock.substack.com/p/head-coach-candidate-profile-ben[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1357687]I think he's a perfect fit for San Diego. Good for the Chargers.

Michigan got their title.

Harbaugh seems to be plenty of things, but he's smart and a damn good football mind.

Our HC is going to be Aaron Glenn or Mike Macdonald. My predictions, based on nothing but guessing and gut.[/quote]

I agree on everything but the last two sentences. His track record is undeniable and he is a great coach, but the last guy we gave the entire operation over to with majority control failed us so it's natural we would look for a different direction. I think Harbaugh is one of those guys who isn't going to sign on to any program where he doesn't have full control.

I'm leaning towards Ben Johnson as HC - I think there's some fire to those reports. They acted quickly with Peters and the only thing holding this up is Detroit making the final four. I'm secretly hoping they go all the way - it would be beneficial for BJ to get that SB experience.

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F Aaron Glenn.
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[quote=mooby;1357693]I agree on everything but the last two sentences. His track record is undeniable and he is a great coach, but the last guy we gave the entire operation over to with majority control failed us so it's natural we would look for a different direction. I think Harbaugh is one of those guys who isn't going to sign on to any program where he doesn't have full control.

I'm leaning towards Ben Johnson as HC - I think there's some fire to those reports. They acted quickly with Peters and the only thing holding this up is Detroit making the final four. I'm secretly hoping they go all the way - it would be beneficial for BJ to get that SB experience.[/quote]

I agree I think Ben is the guy

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Ben Johnson is the Vegas favorite to be our next HC , Looks like its a lock folks

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1357691]For all you Ben Johnson fans, here’s a great read.

[url]https://markbullock.substack.com/p/head-coach-candidate-profile-ben[/url][/quote]

I could see McLaurin used in similar ways to St. Brown . . . would love it!!

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I think it's pretty obvious that Johnson is our guy.

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[quote=jamf;1357696]F Aaron Glenn.
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I have fond memories, iirc wasn't that Santana who mossed him in 05 on Monday night? Thanks for your contribution to probably my favorite Skins highlight.

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Wait, that was in 2005?
We’ve been suffering for a while.

Yes, Moss ran by Glenn twice!

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[quote=jamf;1357712]Wait, that was in 2005?
We’ve been suffering for a while.

Yes, Moss ran by Glenn twice![/quote]

the last 3 minutes of that game were so much fun!! I was watching the game with a buddy of mine that is a big cowboys fan, so up until that point he was in a great mood and i was pissy!! lol . . . after those two scores everything changed!! great night!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1357665]As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?[/quote]

An interesting Titans note, they are restructuring their front office to better incorporate analytics.
[quote][URL="https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/news/tennessee-titans-muscling-up-on-football-analytics-this-is-not-my-fathers-nfl"] Titans Muscling up on Football Analytics
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The Tennessee Titans, which a year ago ranked among the least advanced NFL teams for using analytics, are reorganizing their leadership structure to better use performance metrics.
[/quote]

Given that Harris is doing the same, possibly Vrabel isn't a supporter of incorporating analytic data and so the Washington search committee simply didn't see his view syncing up with the direction they are going.

As of now, the open HC jobs are:
Washington
Seattle
Falcons

HC spots filled (Schefter or other confirmed sources):
Chargers - Harbaugh
Titans - Callahan (Cinci OC)
Carolina - Canales (Tampa OC)
Vegas - Pierce (interim tag removed)

Suddenly there are not as many coaching opportunities out there as it seemed on Black Monday.

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Funny I can't help thinking that those already filled, aside from Raiders and possibly Chargers, have gone for guys that would take those jobs rather than necessarily their 1st choice/best available. Says to me that the likes of Johnson and McDonald are not only waiting on their season finishing but are waiting on the best job. Likewise we're trying to get the best guy we can rather than settle early. Sounds good either way.

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Johnson is the perfect fit for a young team. He can grow as a HC with the organization. It won’t happen overnight but I think he will succeed in DC


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1357717]An interesting Titans note, they are restructuring their front office to better incorporate analytics.


Given that Harris is doing the same, possibly Vrabel isn't a supporter of incorporating analytic data and so the Washington search committee simply didn't see his view syncing up with the direction they are going.

As of now, the open HC jobs are:
Washington
Seattle
Falcons

HC spots filled (Schefter or other confirmed sources):
Chargers - Harbaugh
Titans - Callahan (Cinci OC)
Carolina - Canales (Tampa OC)
Vegas - Pierce (interim tag removed)

Suddenly there are not as many coaching opportunities out there as it seemed on Black Monday.[/quote]

Everyone is obsessed w/ analytics. I wonder how many games analytics has won? Or lost? Seems kind of silly to me. Brandon Staley was a big analytics guy. As is David Tepper.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1357722]Everyone is obsessed w/ analytics. I wonder how many games analytics has won? Or lost? Seems kind of silly to me. Brandon Staley was a big analytics guy. As is David Tepper.[/quote]

And the funny thing is the best ever coaches ever knew nothing about analytics.

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So I can see why they’d do this. One, out of respect and two, let Ben Johnson finish the season.

[url]https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1750645418512253103?s=46&t=5TX7fea8Wp4Gow4eRjPyzg[/url]

Per Adam Schefter:

“ The last two head coach openings of this cycle are the Seahawks and Commanders. Neither team is expected to hire anyone until next week, after Sunday’s conference championship games, per league sources.”