Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I haven't seen these types of personal attacks since last February.. Lance Briggs is the new Patrick Ramsey!!!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291932]Gibbs isn't going to be around to watch our 2nd 3rd and 4th round players develop into stars, he wants to win now. He is going to do what ever it takes to win now.[/QUOTE]

This is what really worries me about our current management. I have a pretty good idea that this is the mindset in the Redskins organization. The problem is: if you try to win every year, as if it's the first and last, then you may never win. Some things take planning, and a long-term approach.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291932]Let me ask you this :
scenario 1 - we trade the 6th pick for a lower round 1st, 3rd, maybe a 2nd. we draft a DE or DT later in the 1st, probably between the 11th and 15th rounds. 2nd round - Oline, Safety, corner? 3rd, same needs. is that what you feel we need to do??[/QUOTE]

Yes. Not so much an O-guard, but a total of two new defensive linemen.

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]in the above it is not known or fact that we get more than two picks for our 6th pick. We may get a 1st and only a 2nd, at best. So, that player chosen in the 2nd, are they going to start? if we draft an Oline man - he isn't starting, corner? he isnt' starting, safety - nope not starting. nor would any 3rd round player selected.[/QUOTE]

As has been pointed out, there were offers that included a player (Dre Bly, Al Wilson) for our #6, plus a later 1st (#21), 2nd, and 3rd rounders. For the record, I'm not in favor of drafting a guard simply because we lost Dockery. That position can be filled with a journeyman free agent without a significant loss in performance.

[QUOTE=#56fanatic]in the trade with Chicago - we move down to the 31st and could select the same position as we would have with the 11th to 15th pick. maybe not as good, but still a 1st rounder, should be a decent player. We also get Briggs - an impact player who ultimately is way better than anyone we would have drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round. [B]Plus, he plays right now. [/B]Gibbs isn't going to be around to watch our 2nd 3rd and 4th round players develop into stars, he wants to win now. He is going to do what ever it takes to win now. [/QUOTE]

Lemar Marshall can play "right now". And Rocky is still waiting in the wings. This debate has more to do with the fact that we are basically set at linebacker. Briggs will cost too much over the long haul, and his impact could be very dependent on the players that are in front of him on the D-line.

The "Win NOW" philosophy is exactly why this franchise never goes anywhere.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Haven't caught much of this Briggs thing? Kinda caught of guard by this whole thing, didn't know we where in the market. What are we thinking about here?

Yes Briggs is a solid young LB. Is it worth the cost?

When I think of Briggs the first thing that comes to mind is me and I, not team. I'm not playing for Chicago this year, I'll just sit out? What kinda crap is that......your under contract. I'm not so sure about this one. Is there a problem with MW hip healing properly?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;291931]You don't trade away a 2nd rounder to move up to take a guy in the 2nd round to be a back-up. That makes no sense what so ever. That's like trading for Drew Brees, making him your starter and telling JC to be the back-up. Too much is invested in Rocky to make him a back-up. Plus we have Marshall to play weak side. Didn't Marshall play real well filling in for lavar in 04? Don't our silly ass coaches already know this?

I know Briggs is real good. But how is he going to play in our system with a line that's not as good as the Bears? I bet his play slips if he comes here. How is he going to play after he gets a new deal? It's like we always chase other teams players. When are we ever going to draft a guy, let him grow in our system, and reward that player? All of our own guys that we draft walk out the door. It's such bullshit! This is why we never make the playoffs.

The smart thing to do is give our players new deals before they hit the market. We already let Dock walk. We should be signing Cooley to a long term deal right now. Instead of chasing some crybaby bitch who goes on ESPN/NFL Network ( and whoever else will listen to him) and says he's not playing for 7.2 million.[/QUOTE]

Something else with Briggs is that he plays in that Tampa-2 formation with the Bears. It leaves Briggs's position as the only one that's essentially unblocked most of the time. So he's benefitted from that too in addition to having loads of defensive talent around him too. Yet he wants to be a whiny, greedy guy who won't take like a 600% raise to play for the NFC Champs.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=skinsfan_nn;291948]Haven't caught much of this Briggs thing? Kinda caught of guard by this whole thing, didn't know we where in the market. What are we thinking about here?

Yes Briggs is a solid young LB. Is it worth the cost?

When I think of Briggs the first thing that comes to mind is me and I, not team. I'm not playing for Chicago this year, I'll just sit out? What kinda crap is that......your under contract. I'm not so sure about this one. Is there a problem with MW hip healing properly?[/quote]
He was not under contract he we forced to stay with a franchise tag. I guess that could be argued as under contract but if he gets injured this year what kind of contract will they offer him in the following year? Nothing, and thats the problem with the franchise tag. I think we argue that our team does not take care of our players and isn't that what the Bears are doing.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I don't want a LB unless it's Shawn Merriman. Oh yeah, we could have drafted him but instead took a little pussy who is incapable of jamming anyone at the LOS.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Merriman is a 3-4 backer who would be out of place here.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

on sirius nfl radio both adam schein and jim miller said this would be a great deal for us, though they did say that springs, wynn, or daniels would probably be cut to facilitate the deal

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;291967]Merriman is a 3-4 backer who would be out of place here.[/quote]


LOL! Are you serious? He can play from the 3 point stance just like Briggs can.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Big C;291975]on sirius nfl radio both adam schein and jim miller said this would be a great deal for us, though they did say that springs, wynn, or daniels would probably be cut to facilitate the deal[/quote]

This would be a great move for us. People on this site seem to be carrying along baggage from the Bruce Smith and Deon Sanders years.

I keep hearing that LB is so solid for us. We had absolutely the WORST LB play last year ever. Marshall took a major step back last season and Holdman our other starter was bad. We drafted Rocky to add depth and he never saw much time. How can we count on that?

We signed London to sure up the middle. Add Washingtion and Briggs on the outside with Rocky spelling those guys you have something.

WE KNOW DL IS A NEED BUT WE NEED PROVEN PLAYMAKERS ON OUR DEFENSE.....AA WAS LAST YEAR AND A BAD MOVE. DON'T BURN BRIGGS FOR THE PAST.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

What's the buzz on DC sportstalk for us that are out of the area?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=JDALY27;291976]LOL! Are you serious? He can play from the 3 point stance just like Briggs can.[/quote]

I don't think he'd be as good of a fit in a 4-3 vs. 3-4. I think he'd struggle a bit in coverage.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=JDALY27;291976]LOL! Are you serious? He can play from the 3 point stance just like Briggs can.[/quote]

Merriman would be a DE in your system.
He would do well if he was playing on Mars with me tied to his ankle.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=firstdown;291953]He was not under contract he we forced to stay with a franchise tag. I guess that could be argued as under contract but if he gets injured this year what kind of contract will they offer him in the following year? Nothing, and thats the problem with the franchise tag. I think we argue that our team does not take care of our players and isn't that what the Bears are doing.[/quote]


As per the CBA the union and the players agreed. They have all the right to franchise tag any player they choose. The player at that point has no right but to play for top tier dollars, THAT MUST SUCK. You are under contact if tagged.