Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;873900]I don't know if it will be Flynn but we have to sign a QB in the FA period. That way if we decide to trade up in the draft teams can't demand the world. We are going to pay alot to trade up, but it will be alot more if we don't have a contingency plan.[/quote]

Yup. And that FA can't be Rex, because he gives us no leverage

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

Big assumption but assuming MS likes Flynn, I wouldn't be opposed to offering him a contract and using a high draft pick on a QB. I don't think Matt Flynn will get huge money. Let's look who needs a QB:
Cleveland- Will most likely draft one
Miami- Just went thru several seasons w/ Henne, are they willing to gamble again w/ Flynn?
Seattle-Maybe

So you get Flynn & Griffin/Tannehill/Foles/or anyone else MS likes.

Flynn Starts year 1. There's a few scenarios:
1. Flynn is very good. This is the best scenario. Now you have a good problem, a good starter and a legit trade piece.
2. Flynn is bad. You've got a young QB ready to take over.
3. Flynn is mediocre. You've still got a guy ready to take over.

We've got some money to play w/. Don't break the bank but it's worth the discussion and I'm sure they've had it.

We're assuming the Shanahan think highly enough of Flynn.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=30gut;873812]You mean apart from athleticism, mobility, throwing velocity, deep ball accuracy, and ability to make plays and throw on the run?[/quote]

LOL....other than that they're pretty much the same guy!

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;873900]I don't know if it will be Flynn but we have to sign a QB in the FA period. That way if we decide to trade up in the draft teams can't demand the world. We are going to pay alot to trade up, but it will be alot more if we don't have a contingency plan.[/quote]

But...but...we have Beck already. :)

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=redsk1;875240]Big assumption but assuming MS likes Flynn, I wouldn't be opposed to offering him a contract and using a high draft pick on a QB. I don't think Matt Flynn will get huge money. Let's look who needs a QB:
Cleveland- Will most likely draft one
Miami- Just went thru several seasons w/ Henne, are they willing to gamble again w/ Flynn?
Seattle-Maybe

So you get Flynn & Griffin/Tannehill/Foles/or anyone else MS likes.

Flynn Starts year 1. There's a few scenarios:
[B]1. Flynn is very good. This is the best scenario. Now you have a good problem, a good starter and a legit trade piece. [/B]
2. Flynn is bad. You've got a young QB ready to take over.
3. Flynn is mediocre. You've still got a guy ready to take over.

We've got some money to play w/. Don't break the bank but it's worth the discussion and I'm sure they've had it.

We're assuming the Shanahan think highly enough of Flynn.[/quote]

You think if we found a way to get Flynn and Griffin, and Flynn does well, we would really trade Griffin?

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=chrisl13;875258]You think if we found a way to get Flynn and Griffin, and Flynn does well, we would really trade Griffin?[/quote]

The top free agent QB is going to want to make sure that he gets a one year grace period when it comes to acquiring other top tier QB prospects. I seriously doubt that drafting RGIII would sit well with him not to mention it would negate the flexibility that Matt Flynn would give us in the draft to take the BPA.

And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Kevin Kolb - 5 Years $63 Million - $20 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=chrisl13;875258]You think if we found a way to get Flynn and Griffin, and Flynn does well, we would really trade Griffin?[/quote]

We would have the option of trading either Flynn or Griffin. If Flynn came in and played very well, we would then have options. One option would be to keep Flynn and trade Griffin. Of course, if MS thought highly enough of Griffin after one year, he would have the option of trading Flynn. Having two QB's gives us a better shot to find one good one and gives us more options down the road.

Assuming we like Flynn, I'm all for it.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;875264]And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Kevin Kolb - 5 Years $63 Million - $20 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.[/quote]


Don't think you can compare Flynn to these guys those. Schaub and Kolb were both higher round picks with higher grades on their potential/skills. Cassell and Fitzpatrick played well for more than just 2 games. They did it for a whole season.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;875264]The top free agent QB is going to want to make sure that he gets a one year grace period when it comes to acquiring other top tier QB prospects. I seriously doubt that drafting RGIII would sit well with him not to mention it would negate the flexibility that Matt Flynn would give us in the draft to take the BPA.

And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.[/quote]

I'm not sure he's going to get that type of money, as those 3 above. Flynn has started 2 games, I believe. The 3 above all had 1 season + in starts. Flynn is a bit of an unknown.

I'm not sure I see him getting over 25-30 million. It wouldn't totalling surprise me though. I guess it depends what the scouts see in him. I just don't see that much demand.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

Truthfully, with as stupid as some owners/GMs are, it wouldn't surprise me to see anything. Teams are so QB desperate, they probably will pay premium money. Hell, they paid $50 mil guaranteed to Bradford who'd never took a snap in the NFL.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;875264]The top free agent QB is going to want to make sure that he gets a one year grace period when it comes to acquiring other top tier QB prospects. I seriously doubt that drafting RGIII would sit well with him not to mention it would negate the flexibility that Matt Flynn would give us in the draft to take the BPA.

And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
[B]2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus[/B]
[B]2011 - Kevin Kolb - 5 Years $63 Million - $20 Million Signing Bonus[/B]
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.[/quote]

And this is exactly why we should stay away from Flynn. As I've said, let's go draft our own guy and start him day one, like Cincy and Carolina did.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=NC_Skins;875275]Truthfully, with as stupid as some owners/GMs are, it wouldn't surprise me to see anything. Teams are so QB desperate, they probably will pay premium money. Hell, they paid $50 mil guaranteed to Bradford who'd never took a snap in the NFL.[/quote]

But that was under the old CBA and he was a QB that was the first pick of the draft. If it was under the new rules Bradford wouldn't have received that kind of money. He would've probably gotten 20 mil guaranteed, like Newton did. But I do agree with you, teams are hard up for top QB play and someone's going to overpay for Flynn's services, just like Az overpaid for Kolb.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=skinsfan69;875300]But that was under the old CBA and he was a QB that was the first pick of the draft. If it was under the new rules Bradford wouldn't have received that kind of money. He would've probably gotten 20 mil guaranteed, like Newton did. But I do agree with you, teams are hard up for top QB play and someone's going to overpay for Flynn's services, just like Az overpaid for Kolb.[/quote]

Yeah, just look at what Charlie Whitehurst fetched draft-pick wise.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

[quote=SmootSmack;873918]Yup. And that FA can't be Rex, because he gives us no leverage[/quote]

As much as I don't like your idea of Orton, he would bring in more leverage than Rex at this point and he's probably the least expensive contingency plan.

Re: What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins
 

I think I, along with the rest of us, are missing the key fact about Flynn. We all saw his TD performances against NE and the 6 TD's against the Lions. And after evaluations, the majority of us are saying 'oh thats all his receiver's, his talent, his scheme.' But the thing we seem to be missing is that he is Smart enought to get it to the right guy, the open guy, and he is Proven that he can grasp and get a hold of an offense and make the right decision.

Who knows how good he Could be if he gets a hold of the Shanahan's offense, and gets a great playmaking WR...