Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=Schneed10;1118918]Since this is the Cousins thread, back to Cousins.

I just wanted to get into the numbers a little bit in an effort to find as much hope as I could. It's well documented that last year when Cousins had a poor game, things REALLY went south on him, which Jay attributed to mental toughness. Well the one game that really went bad was the Giants game in Week 4 where he had the 4 INTs and lost another fumble.

So well then, how does he do when things don't go south? Is he competitive?

In the other 5 games in which he played, he averaged 21 for 34 for 291 yards, 1.8 TDs per game, 1.0 INTs per game, and 1.2 sacks per game. Extrapolate that over the course of a 16-game season and you get a projected starting QB line of:

342 for 547, a 62.5% completion rate
4,649 yards, 29 TDs, 16 INTs, and 19 sacks taken

Now of course this is extrapolating a 5-game sample size, and there's selection bias here because I'm removing the Giants game. But still I would take that performance happily, even though the 16 picks will still be among league leaders and mean we're only a mediocre team. Even with the picks, it would be positive progress at the QB spot.

So it seems Jay is onto something, getting Kirk past the mental hurdle of collapsing under adversity. If he's able to coach up that mental aspect of it, the Shanahans and Gruden both might be right in thinking he can be very good.[/quote]

For fairness reasons, if you are going to extrapolate, you need to take out the best statistical game as well as the worst (the Eagles game), which leaves you with a season of:

4104 yards, 62.675% completion, 24 touchdowns, 20 interceptions.

This looks more like Kirk Cousins to me.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/kirk-cousins-9-interceptions-2014/]Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 9 Interceptions in 2014[/url]

they have the video breakdown of every pic.

Quarter Breakdown for Cousins 9 picks:

1st Quarter 0
2nd Quarter 1
3rd Quarter 3
4th Quarter 5

I wish they told you the score bc i remember most of his picks came when we were trailing by 2 scores.
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[IMG]http://maxcdn.nflbreakdowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Kirk-Cousins-9-Interceptions-757x364.png[/IMG]

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1118821]...and they reversed course.




I'm in tears right now laughing so hard.[/quote]

I'm not. It's embarrassing. Anytime the 'Skins are mentioned in the media since 2012, it's never about good news. I'd rather they just stayed out of the spotlight. And now we have this Russini story about to blow up? FFS, we can't do anything right around here.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=Skinsfanatic;1118926]For fairness reasons, if you are going to extrapolate, you need to take out the best statistical game as well as the worst (the Eagles game), which leaves you with a season of:

4104 yards, 62.675% completion, 24 touchdowns, 20 interceptions.

This looks more like Kirk Cousins to me.[/quote]

I'd take those numbers from a guy about to start only his tenth game, especially if we see improvement as the season goes on. They look similar to Andrew Luck's rookie season, and I hear he's pretty good.

4,374 yards 54.1% 23TDs 18TDs

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=over the mountain;1118929][url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/kirk-cousins-9-interceptions-2014/]Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 9 Interceptions in 2014[/url]

they have the video breakdown of every pic.

Quarter Breakdown for Cousins 9 picks:

1st Quarter 0
2nd Quarter 1
3rd Quarter 3
4th Quarter 5

I wish they told you the score bc i remember most of his picks came when we were trailing by 2 scores.
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[IMG]http://maxcdn.nflbreakdowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Kirk-Cousins-9-Interceptions-757x364.png[/IMG][/quote]


We should probably expect some growing pains, but I'm not ready to conclude that Kirk Cousins has hit his ceiling after only starting 9 games. Yes, he threw a lot of picks last year, but still threw more TDs and if he improves over time, he'll be just like a vast majority of guys who have played the position - struggles early, but better with experience. I'll play the odds and say we see a much improved version of KC as the season goes on. If not, it's back to the drawing board after the season.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=over the mountain;1118929][url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/kirk-cousins-9-interceptions-2014/]Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 9 Interceptions in 2014[/url]

they have the video breakdown of every pic.

Quarter Breakdown for Cousins 9 picks:

1st Quarter 0
2nd Quarter 1
3rd Quarter 3
4th Quarter 5

I wish they told you the score bc i remember most of his picks came when we were trailing by 2 scores.
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[IMG]http://maxcdn.nflbreakdowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Kirk-Cousins-9-Interceptions-757x364.png[/IMG][/quote]

Great site. Good breakdown is his 10TDs as well:

[url=http://nflbreakdowns.com/kirk-cousins-10-touchdowns-2014/]Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 10 Touchdowns in 2014[/url]

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=44Deezel;1118932]I'd take those numbers from a guy about to start only his tenth game, especially if we see improvement as the season goes on. They look similar to Andrew Luck's rookie season, and I hear he's pretty good.

4,374 yards 54.1% 23TDs 18TDs[/quote]

Right

Another thing that makes this different for Cousins is he is starting the season as "the guy". I think from a mental stand point this is big for him.

Id really like to know in the locker room how this annoucement went over with the rest of the offense...will they rally around Cousins? Are they upset RG3 is not the starter? Id really like to know what the WR think.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

There's not enough bandwidth to show all of Brett Farve's interceptions and he turned out fine.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=over the mountain;1118904]30, im glad to see you do see the positives with Kirk. I thought a few weeks ago you overly optimistic on RG3 and overly pessimistic on Kirk.[/quote]I'm not sure why you think I wouldn't see positives or be overly pessimistic about Kirk?

Most people either don't know or ignore the fact that I said Griffin should have been cut at the end of the season [I][U][B]prior[/B][/U][/I] to training camp. Many people in this forum (and this may or may not apply to you) but many assume that defense of inaccurate/incorrect statements about Griffin to equate to a dislike of Kirk. I just call it like I see. Just because I thought Griffin should have been cut doesn't mean I'm gonna agree with bandwagon echo chamber bashing.

At the end of the day I don't care who the QB is nor the style of football....provided we win.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=Chico23231;1118936] Id really like to know what the WR think.[/quote]

"You cant do epic shit with basic people" - Desean Jackson

The day after we lost 27-7 vs the then 1-8 bucs. Helu was our best receiver with 57 yards. RG3 quarterbacking.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=44Deezel;1118932]I'd take those numbers from a guy about to start only his tenth game, especially if we see improvement as the season goes on. They look similar to Andrew Luck's rookie season, and I hear he's pretty good.

4,374 yards 54.1% 23TDs 18TDs[/quote]

I agree I would take those numbers (especially depending on what the running game produces), I just wanted to put out an alternative/more accurate picture of what this year might look like.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

Cousins needs a chance -- and not just a handful of games -- to show whether he can be a franchise QB, and only time will tell. Here's a look at stats for some other noteworthy QBs their first season starting, and then compared to what Cousins did last season:

Payton Manning (1998): 26 TD, 28 INT, 3739 YRD
Drew Brees (2002): 17 TD, 16 INT, 3284 YRD
Andrew Luck (2012): 23 TD, 18 INT, 4374 YRD
Tom Brady (2001): 18 TD, 12 INT, 2843 YRD

Kirk Cousins (2014, 6 starts*): 10 TD, 9 INT, 1710 YRD
* given how early he entered the JAX game, I have assumed that a start
Kirk Cousins (if adjusted same #s for 16 games): 26.7 TD, 24 INT, 4560 YRD

More TDs than any of the above QBs, although also more INTs than everyone except Payton Manning. And more yards than everyone too.

To be clear, I am not saying Kirk will be on par with any of these folks -- who the heck knows if that is possible? Again, only time will tell. But one cannot look at the numbers and conclude he's just a stop gap to a real franchise QB either. Let's not forget, Brady and Luck (at least) had better starting casts around them than Cousins had here last year too.

Let's give the guy a chance -- even with the inevitable growing pains. What do we have to lose at this point?

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=calia;1118941]Cousins needs a chance -- and not just a handful of games -- to show whether he can be a franchise QB, and only time will tell.....
Let's give the guy a chance -- even with the inevitable growing pains. What do we have to lose at this point?[/quote]Whether Kirk 'needs' a chance is up for debate.

And just for the sake of accuracy this upcoming chance is Kirk's [I][U][B]3rd[/B][/U][/I]. The 1st was with Mike Shanahan in 2013. The 2nd was last year when Griffin was hurt.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=30gut;1118942]Whether Kirk 'needs' a chance is up for debate.

And just for the sake of accuracy this upcoming chance is Kirk's [I][U][B]3rd[/B][/U][/I]. The 1st was with Mike Shanahan in 2013. The 2nd was last year when Griffin was hurt.[/quote]

He had very little playing time in his first three years, as I am sure you'd agree. I also didn't count the initial seasons of Brees or Brady in the statistics above for the same reason.

With all due respect, for the sake of accuracy, 2012 was Cousin's 1st year, not 2013. I don't think you can count the 2013 season as a "chance" any more than 2012, since Shanahan's decision was purportedly done to protect Griffin in a lost season rather than seeing what he had in Kirk.

Again I focused on last season as the first in which there was an extended look (even though that only amounted to about 1/3 of the season).

And if you don't think Kirk needs a chance this season, what exactly do you have in mind for the QB position?

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1118784]ROFL. A little side tracked on this....but since Dianna Russini dropped the RG3 story, I found this fitting. Scott's wife dropping the bomb on her.


:laughing2


[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN6qz0qUkAAKaha.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Since the original tweet thread was eliminated, I had to Google it, but all I can say is WOW. [emoji33]

The 'dog-and-pony' show Crap surrounding the Redskins. [emoji13]