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Re: Givens and Bryant in Santa Clara....

[b]Patriots | Givens has not re-signed[/b]
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 06:43:47 -0800

<A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/164">[color=#0000ff]Mike Reiss[/color], of the Boston Globe, reports agent Brad Blank said a [url="http://www.kffl.com/link/140"][color=#0000ff]Houston Chronicle[/color][/url] report saying free agent WR [url="http://www.kffl.com/player/5766/nfl"][color=#0000ff]David Givens[/color][/url] (Patriots) has re-signed with the [url="http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl"][color=#0000ff]New England Patriots[/color][/url] was erroneous. Blank said "anything is possible" at this stage. This is the second erroneous report this weekend involving a Givens signing.

Re: Givens and Bryant in Santa Clara....

The Niners chasing free agent wide recievers is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic there are far more pressing needs for them right now than wideouts. Like offensive linemen, running backs, and maybe a secondary.

In the unlikely even that you get Givens to go to san fran what would have changed other than an upgrade at wide out. San fran should be looking at offensive linemen and secondary positions right now and a running back in the draft. Wideouts are a luxury.

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[QUOTE=skinsgt]The Niners chasing free agent wide recievers is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic there are far more pressing needs for them right now than wideouts. Like offensive linemen, running backs, and maybe a secondary.

In the unlikely even that you get Givens to go to san fran what would have changed other than an upgrade at wide out. San fran should be looking at offensive linemen and secondary positions right now and a running back in the draft. Wideouts are a luxury.[/QUOTE]

Actually we have 0 need for FA o-lineman and we may sign a CB....but probly not. We need offensive playmakers and passrushers 1 and 2.

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I think those two guys would be a great pick up for the 9ers.

Lindell White will most likely be a their guy at 6. And that is a helluva back for Norval to work with. Everywhere Norv goes he makes a RB the star of his offense.

I'm sure they have some olineman on their radar.

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[QUOTE=drew54]I think those two guys would be a great pick up for the 9ers.

Lindell White will most likely be a their guy at 6. And that is a helluva back for Norval to work with. Everywhere Norv goes he makes a RB the star of his offense.

I'm sure they have some olineman on their radar.[/QUOTE]

I study 1,000's of hours of tape a year. Mostly on college prospects. LenDale White is a late 1st round back. If we were to pick a HB it would be DeAngelo Williams who is both Norv and Nolan's favorite. But we have Frank Gore/Hicks/Barlow at HB and thus have no need to spend that high of a pick at HB. I project Vernon Davis at #6 to SF

1. HOU Bush
2. NO Leinart (BAD PICK)
3. TEN Young
4. NYJ Ferguson
5. GB Hawk
6. SF Davis
7. OAK M.Williams
8. BUF Ngata
9. DET Cutler
10. ARI D.Williams

PS any o-lineman brought on would be purely in a backup role...our starters for the record will be

LT Jennings
LG Smiley(2nd rd 04)/Heitman
C Heitman/Newberry (injury ?)
RG Baas(2nd rd 05)
RT Snyder(3rd rd05)

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White is soooooo far off the 9ers radar that is not even funny. I guess you guys know more about the skins need then me too......

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I agree you have a ton of running backs.

I guess Norv has turned some no names backs into stars, but I think White would be the second coming of Stephen Davis, only faster and more complete.

He would be a perfict fit over 5'9" midget Williams. LenDale is a tank, and both run a 4.5, this just seems like a no brainer.

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[QUOTE=9erman]White is soooooo far off the 9ers radar that is not even funny. I guess you guys know more about the skins need then me too......[/QUOTE]

So who are the niners going after? Norv needs a running back or his offense serves as a punting machine.

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[QUOTE=drew54]I guess Norv has turned some no names backs into stars, but I think White would be the second coming of Stephen Davis, only faster and more complete.

He would be a perfict fit over 5'9" midgit Williams. LenDale is a tank, and both run a 4.5, this just seems like a no brainer.[/QUOTE]

That would make the "midget williams" at the same height as Barry Sanders and LaDanian Tomlinson.....................He does like big backs. Barlow is 240lbs easy and ran a 4.3 at the combine a few years ago. We also have another 1,000 capable back in Gore. There is no way we invest that much $$ into the HB spot...That and I think that White is the #5 RB in the draft.

1. Williams
2. Bush
3. Addai
4. Maroney
5. White

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I don't believe Lindale White is the 5th best running back in the draft and there is no way he will be drafted in that order. Absolutely wrong.

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[QUOTE=9erman]We could be replacing Lloyd with Givens and Bryant......:)[/QUOTE]Dude, who cares? Jason Campbell is years ahead of your QB anyway. And if you thought Lloyd was bad for the locker room wait 'till Bryant doesn't get the ball thrown his way. This is Norv's last stand.

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker]I don't believe Lindale White is the 5th best running back in the draft and there is no way he will be drafted in that order. Absolutely wrong.[/QUOTE]

The ranking I have supplied are what I think will be the level of production at the next level. NOT THE EXPECTED DRAFT ORDER.

You are right about the draft order........Keep in mind that I have seen 100's of more hours of film of these guys than you have.
White is higher on some teams board than others...Some have him at #2 and some like speed and have him at #5. White ran behing the best o-line in the country by far and is not nearly as quick as stephen davis was coming out. Bush is #2 because IMO he will not be the type of back that carries a team without talent. He could be an amazing talent in the right fit.

DeAngelo Williams ran behind a terrible line in college and was the 3rd most productive back IN NCAA HISTORY. His team had no qb, no wr, no defense either. He alone managed to carry that squad to 4 bowl games. He has better football speed than all but Bush and has the ability to make YAC consistantly. He is in the mold of LaDanian Tomlinson and should produce at that level in the NFL. All 4 other backs in the draft have questions that need to be answered IMO.

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[QUOTE=9erman]There is no way we invest that much $$ into the HB spot...That and I think that White is the #5 RB in the draft.

1. Williams
2. Bush
3. Addai
4. Maroney
5. White[/QUOTE]

I think White will be the second back taken, and he will be taken top ten.

As for all of your running backs and worry about investing in a high draft choice for a running back I agree with you. Norv has had good luck with running backs no matter their size, I just think he wants a bulldozer.

Emmitt Smith - Height: 5' 9'' Weight: 212
Terry Allen - Height: 5' 11'' Weight: 208
Stephen Davis - Height: 6' 0" Weight: 230
LaDainian Tomlinson - Height: 5' 10" Weight: 221
Ricky Williams - Height: 5' 10" Weight: 230
LaMont Jordan - Height: 5' 10" Weight 230
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Kevan Barlow Height: 6' 1" Weight: 238

If your offensive line is as set as you say it is, Barlow could be an awesome back in Norv's system. Be prepared for a lot of 3 - 4 yard boring running plays.

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[QUOTE=9erman]The ranking I have supplied are what I think will be the level of production at the next level. NOT THE EXPECTED DRAFT ORDER.

You are right about the draft order........Keep in mind that I have seen 100's of more hours of film of these guys than you have.
White is higher on some teams board than others...Some have him at #2 and some like speed and have him at #5. White ran behing the best o-line in the country by far and is not nearly as quick as stephen davis was coming out. Bush is #2 because IMO he will not be the type of back that carries a team without talent. He could be an amazing talent in the right fit.

DeAngelo Williams ran behind a terrible line in college and was the 3rd most productive back IN NCAA HISTORY. His team had no qb, no wr, no defense either. He alone managed to carry that squad to 4 bowl games. He has better football speed than all but Bush and has the ability to make YAC consistantly. He is in the mold of LaDanian Tomlinson and should produce at that level in the NFL. All 4 other backs in the draft have questions that need to be answered IMO.[/QUOTE]

you haven't watched more than me ;)

I like both williams and white more than bush simply cause giving bush 30 carries a game is going to end up (in the long run) giving you the exact same production as giving him 15-20 carries a game. you just put more wear on him and hurt his chances of crazy home runs.

white might not put up the most yards, but i think he'll be very useful at creating yards and keeping the chains moving.

i don't know how addai is your #3 when he's got potential injury problems. He's the best all around back, but i don't think he'll ever be an elite back.

I think SF would be stupid to take an RB 6 though. the current rbs you got don't seem to be amazing, but anyone thinking that's your most pressing needs to watch the 49ers play ;) I think the best FA move you could make is getting a QB like culpepper (cause he's cheap) and in case alex is still amazingly awful next year, there's a chance daunte will be able to get his old form back. (the vikings overplayed their hand and are now going to get nearly nothing for him)

in the 2nd round both m drew and l washington will be available and both would still be upgrades (i believe they're vastly under rated).

I don't think leinhart is a mistake, he's probably closer to a drew brees than a tom brady though. he's clearly the best pick to come in and make a difference now. If anything Young is the mistake cause he's never worked out of a 3 step drop, he runs too fast and he only checks two routes. He's not as fast as vick, though he fumbles less and he'll probably be a better passer, but he has the chance to be good or flame out and be another NFL QB curiosity.

davis would be a great pick for you there. he's the best WR on the board :P a lot of pundits think since you have johnson you don't need a TE, BUT, this is a 6'3" guy running a 4.38, and for a WR those are GREAT numbers, so it'd be crazy to not have him at the top of both the TE and WR depth chart this year.