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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If our WRs behind Moss this year are giant question marks, what were the WRs behind Moss last year?? Yikes.[/QUOTE]
Giant skid marks.

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[quote=BrudLee]Giant skid marks.[/quote]

Reading this, I was thinking about arrington on his stationary bike (even though he can't make skid marks).

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I'm actually pretty optomistic about our WR's production for the upcoming season. Moss was basically all we had last year and to get someone else out there to help him out will definitely be a boost IMO. Lloyd was in San Fran and when we saw him he was pretty solid. Thinking about the plays that he made last year and putting him next to a definite threat in Moss get's be boosted. Add in Randel El and it's not looking too good for opposing defenses and GREAT for Clinton Portis. Saunders' system will help out Portis but you throw in 3 Wide Outs and you know they will have to respect the pass, which is where Saunders will rip defenses apart. Or at least I hope that's how it goes. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Skins this season.

HAIL !!!!!

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz]I think we also have to consider who will be covering these guys in certain situations. In the past a D probably had their best CB's covering Llyod, but now he could find himself being covered by a nickle or even a linebacker if he's lined up in the slot. This should create great matchups for us, especially if Cooley is involved in the play.
With the speed we have at WR opposing CBs should wear out rather quickly.[/quote]

I have been watching the NBA Finals this week and it is all about matchups. Sometimes because football is 11 on 11 and not 5 on 5 we forget that it is also about matchups. These are very good points you are making about what kind of CB/LB/S will be covering our "receivers" this year. When you think about 2nd and 3rd CBs or LBs trying to cover El, Lloyd, Cooley and Patten, I think you start to realize the problems that some defenses are going to have just trying to game plan for the offense this year. I mean seriously, how did Moss reach 1483 yards last year as the only option most of the time. If you get some of these defenders off his back, all of them should have a great year. I compare it to all of those years in the late 80's when in the NBA guys were double and triple teaming Michael Jordon. Then along came Pippen, and Horace Grant, and John Paxton, and later Rodman, and we all know what happen when the Bulls had other options, they won 6 championships!

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[quote=mheisig]I'm not saying because they are question marks they won't perform, I'm just saying we don't know enough to make any kind of judgement yet. Hence the "Question Mark" status.

I'm hoping they'll all be fantastic and they'll all be viable WR threats that will spread the field. Basically we have two receivers (Lloyd and Randel-El) who have short and unestablished careers. Thrash is good but no superstar, and Patten has been around the block, but go ahead and look at his career stats - pretty inconsistent. I'm not saying any of these guys CAN'T be great - I think they have fantastic potential given the athletecism and the system, but just coming out here and claiming they're all going to be amazing super stars and we'll have the best offense ever is the exact same damn thing we've done with Michael Westbrook, Taylor Jacobs, Albert Connell and all these other worthless receivers.

I will say that even if there is no standout #2 WR in this bunch, we do have good depth - there should be plenty of targets for Brunell and hopefully things will open up. My best bet is that Lloyd becomes our real #2 threat. Patten, Thrash and ARE are kind of a toss-up for #3 in my opinion. Lloyd was able to put up semi-respectable numbers in the worst offense in the league. Doesn't make him the next Jerry Rice, but I think he's got the best potential of the group.

I'm just saying wait until we have some actual evidence first. So far the only person worth bragging about is Moss.[/quote]I think this analysis is pretty much accurate. I do think we know what we are getting in Randle El. We get a number 2 reciever with great open field running skills, toughness, good blocking ability and solid hands. Lloyd is certainly a question mark at this point...but he is explosive when on.

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patten has much more production than El, so i don't really think he's a #2. If you look at his stats the one thing that REALLY stands out is his punt return stuff.

only a 20% FC rate, averaging 10 and 12 yards a return, lots of 20+ stuff and multiple TD seasons. His Kick return stats arent super great, but good punt returners are harder to find.

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I think that El may be the only guy who can effectively run the WR screen the way Moss does. He is a punt return guy who knows how to make people miss. I'm sure, with the success we had running it last yearm it will remain in the play book (especially because Saunders saw it work against his team last year).
This may sound like a simple thing, but if Moss goes down, we need someone with similar attributes to run similar plays. I think that while no one can run the same plays as Moss, we now have the players that allow us to put a guy in for each play. Moss or Patten on go routes, Moss or EL on WR screens. Moss, Patten, Lloyd on posts. Saunders offense is more of a timing offense (not the Gibbs wasn't) so we really need to make sure we get our guys to a spot in the correct amount of time and then Brunnels accuracy will really give the other teams something to fear.

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Other teams will try to counter our WRs by blitzing Brunell like crazy. `We will have to make them pay for this gamble.

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the wr screen is a great play against the blitz

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[quote=dmek25]the wr screen is a great play against the blitz[/quote]and we run that play about as good as can be ran.i hope saunders uses it as well as gibbs did. it seemed that gibbs called that play at the perfect times last year, and even though other teams knew it was coming, they just couldn't stop it.