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[quote=Bill B;237673]SouperMeiter - I follow the SEC (went to South Carolina - I know the old ballcoach slanders are going to roll in!)) and the DE's Moses and Johnson of Georgia are both pretty good.

One other question with the 1st rounder - in the TJ Duckett Trade I know we gave a 3rd rounder but I saw a report that in addition we may have to swap 1st round picks with Denver next year as well if the Redskins have a worse record than them and the difference between the Redskins 1st round pick and Denver's is greater than the value of a 3rd round pick. If this is the case the Redkisn switch 1st rounders with them, otherwise the Broncos also get our 4th rounder next year. Is this true? If so than we need to put call blocking on the Redskins phone line with the Broncos front office ASAP.[/quote]
The way I understand it, the value difference of our 1st round picks only equates to the value of a 3rd if the 1st rounders are 8 or 10 apart. Denver's pick will likely be late in the first round. So unless we finish with 10 wins, I don't see that swap of 1st rounders getting invoked. That said, giving up next year's 3rd round pick for a guy who never sees the light of day (and will walk after the year as a free agent) may be one of the worst trades we've ever made. The NFL is littered with starters drafted in the 3rd round or later. Don't get me started on Gibbs's unwillingness to build a team with our own draft picks!!![IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon8.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=SouperMeister;237693]The way I understand it, the value difference of our 1st round picks only equates to the value of a 3rd if the 1st rounders are 8 or 10 apart. Denver's pick will likely be late in the first round. So unless we finish with 10 wins, I don't see that swap of 1st rounders getting invoked. That said, giving up next year's 3rd round pick for a guy who never sees the light of day (and will walk after the year as a free agent) may be one of the worst trades we've ever made. The NFL is littered with starters drafted in the 3rd round or later. Don't get me started on Gibbs's unwillingness to build a team with our own draft picks!!![IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon8.gif[/IMG][/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Gibbs believes veterans win Superbowls. He's old and wants to win now, not 5yrs from now.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;237699][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Gibbs believes veterans win Superbowls. He's old and wants to win now, not 5yrs from now.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Good to see we're doing so much winning now.

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We need as many picks as possible, we need to rebuild our defense. All the strengths of our defense are OLD MEN, washington, Daniels, Springs. The only promising young player is sean taylor. Trading down is the answer.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;237703]Good to see we're doing so much winning now.[/quote]

That we be the part about all of this that sucks. I really do think Gibbs has done a good job building a great team, we just haven't gotten the job done.

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Coach Gibbs has built the team, they just haven't performed as expected.

It may even be too soon yet, I know I'm very impatient.

Now I have a lovely new Avatar I'm a much better, more patient person*.

Thanks Matty!








* Possibly a complete lie.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;237734]We need as many picks as possible, we need to rebuild our defense. All the strengths of our defense are OLD MEN, washington, Daniels, Springs. The only promising young player is sean taylor. Trading down is the answer.[/quote]
Don't give up on Rogers so quickly. He's very physical against the run for a CB, and if we add a real pass rush, he may become solid cover corner in time.

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[quote=SouperMeister;237744]Don't give up on Rogers so quickly. He's very physical against the run for a CB, and if we add a real pass rush, he may become solid cover corner in time.[/quote]
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[COLOR=black]Rogers[/COLOR][COLOR=black] sucks. Just my opinion. I've never seen a guy MOVE AWAY from a ball like he does. He sits and waits for the receiver to make his move, or he interferes. [/COLOR]

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Rogers is an unpolished diamond.

He'll be a dominant CB, just give him time.

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I've noticed how slow our defense seems this year, anyone else think we need some more speed, especially in the secondary?????

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;237671]Im not trying to be rude or anything, but your premise that Casserly was a good GM is just plain wrong. Bobby Beathard built Gibbs super bowl teams, not Charlie Casserly. Casserly was a HORRIBLE GM. He absolutely cannot evaluate talent. Just look what he did to the Texans for goodness sake. I would rather keep the current system, and I hate the system as it is, than go back to Casserly.[/QUOTE]

You are correct, I got Casserly and BB mixed up. Insert BB into my post wherever I typed Casserly.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;237773]I've noticed how slow our defense seems this year, anyone else think we need some more speed, especially in the secondary?????[/quote]

You think??????

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i was watching some of the games from last year, and the biggest difference is that the defense just isn't getting to the ball carrier. last year, there were a bunch of guys tackling the ball. this year its usually only one or two guys. to me, thats just a lack of hustle, and determination

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Ok, not many people are talking about the lack of speed. That speed can be found in the draft. Veterans only get slower......Archuleta.

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Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.