Re: George Michael's Interview of Gibbs
 

[quote=#56fanatic;266586]some things I have noticed more over the last couple of years about this staff. They say one thing, and the players say something else. leads us choosing which one is actually telling the truth or an extension of the truth. After hearing what players are saying as they leave this organization its starting to be difficult putting any weight on what the staff says. it has happened for the last 5 or so years. bottom line, if Gibbs wants something or someone he gets it. no questions asked. The pierce / clark thing, if he wanted them they would be here. GW's ego got in the way and said they are replacable. Same thing w/ LaVar. Gibbs said he wanted LaVar to be a Redskin, LaVar said, if he wanted me here I would be here. Pierce, clark, Smoot they all say the same things. I dont think us fans are that stupid to keep believing some of the BS coming out of redskin park. Gibbs got a free pass the 1st year with everything coming out of his mouth being the absolute truth, but with players leaving saying the exact same things, and portis speaking up it makes you get (at least me) a little pissed that things are working they way there are. We will never have success with the organization in complete mess. I said from the beginning, there are too many cooks in the kitchen!![/quote]

I here ya but I think that our problems starts with Snyder NOT because he does not want us to win BUT because he does not know how to put a staff together. The Spurier experiment proved that he knew nothing about bringing winning football to Washington but was only looking for a big named coach. I hope that Snyder will wake up and see that when we were winning football games that we had GM's such as Charley Casserly and Bobby Beathard and it was NOT just because of the ONLY 2 successful coaches that we had in George Allen and Joe Gibbs.

Re: George Michael's Interview of Gibbs
 

[quote=riggoraider;266865]I hope that Snyder will wake up and see that when we were winning football games that we had GM's such as Charley Casserly and Bobby Beathard and it was NOT just because of the ONLY 2 successful coaches that we had in George Allen and Joe Gibbs.[/quote]

I seem to recall Snyder come real close to bringing back Beathard at one point but the deal was broken at the last second when Snyder refused to give up final say on all personnel matters. If that's true that says it all right there.

Re: George Michael's Interview of Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=squrrelco3;266874]I seem to recall Snyder come real close to bringing back Beathard at one point but the deal was broken at the last second when Snyder refused to give up final say on all personnel matters. If that's true that says it all right there.[/QUOTE]

I may be wrong on this but I think that, in the Gibbs/Beathard era, JKC had final say over all personnel matters - not Beathard. I seem to recall both Gibbs and Beathard saying that they discussed what were the needs and then discussed who to get to fill those needs. If they couldn't agree, they would go to Cooke and HE would have final say.

Re: George Michael's Interview of Gibbs
 

[quote=Dogtag;266091]George asked the tough question ... great job George.

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Not to get off on a tangent, but I keep hearing fans say that we have personnel issues (scouting/recruitment, evaluation, best value analysis, trade-off analysis, character, business case analysis/cost, intangibles) and the conclusion is generally that the Redskins need a General Manager (GM). It sounds to me like the Redskins need help with Human Resources (that handle those personnel issues) and not a General Manager that handles all Administrative Efforts (of which Personnel is usually only a lesser part of the duties). In the NFL, is a GM considered a Human Resources job?[/quote]

Well put!

In most teams the GM also negotiates the player contracts, so he evaluates a potential player's worth to the team. Supposedly, an independent GM would have balanced Gregg W's desire for Arch against Arch's comparison to other safeties. For a $10 bonus, maybe there were better safeties out there, or better ways to build the roster.

Another example, maybe the Skins give up two draft picks in trade for BLloyd, but a GM might not have signed him to a new contract until his old one expired at the end of this year. Skins would have a lot more flexibility if Lloyd were a free agent playing out his contract this season. As things stand now, Washington has a big cap hit if they dump Lloyd.

Re: George Michael's Interview of Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;266877]I may be wrong on this but I think that, in the Gibbs/Beathard era, JKC had final say over all personnel matters - not Beathard. I seem to recall both Gibbs and Beathard saying that they discussed what were the needs and then discussed who to get to fill those needs. If they couldn't agree, they would go to Cooke and HE would have final say.[/QUOTE]

True. JoeRedskin, do you ever find it ironic that when Gibbs returned a lot of us (myself included) thought "wow, what a great move. He can do no wrong." And clearly results have not matched our expectations, yet no one entertains the possibility that if Beathard came back he might struggle as well? I'm not saying that would be the case but why is it that suddenly Beathard is a foolproof savior? And here's another question, if Snyder and Gibbs said "Well we got a General Manager, allow me to introduce to you...Matt Millen," would people say "Yay, finally a GM?" even though it's Matt Millen? Chew on that Joe

Re: George Michael's Interview of Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS;267122]True. JoeRedskin, do you ever find it ironic that when Gibbs returned a lot of us (myself included) thought "wow, what a great move. He can do no wrong." And clearly results have not matched our expectations, yet no one entertains the possibility that if Beathard came back he might struggle as well? I'm not saying that would be the case but why is it that suddenly Beathard is a foolproof savior? And here's another question, if Snyder and Gibbs said "Well we got a General Manager, allow me to introduce to you...Matt Millen," would people say "Yay, finally a GM?" even though it's Matt Millen? Chew on that Joe[/QUOTE]

Chewed, digested and puked. I don't know why Bobby "Hey, let's trade all our draft picks for Ryan Leaf" Beathard wouldn't struggle any less than Joe (BTW - Just demonstrating a point with the Leaf reference, BB was a great GM back in the day).

If JG says, I pulling in "Scott Pioli, Tom Donahoe and giving them first shot at picking players" or someone of a similar caliber, hey I am all for that! Otherwise, we aren't fixing the problem just adding a new "Millenesque" layer that would further muck up an already mucked up talent evaluation process.