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[QUOTE=Defensewins;272593]People have every right to say C. Rogers has dissappointed. However I think he will work his way out of his inconsistant play. Playoing CornerBack in the NFL is one of the toughest positions to play in any sport. With all of the new rules it is impossible to shut down a great receiver. Our pass rush from the front four has been a greater weakness for many years and leads to coverage problems. You can only cover a WR for so long. I say lets give him another chance and not boo him.[/QUOTE]

I definately agree that corner is one of the hardest positions to play in the NFL, but thus far Rogers hasn't lived up to his hype. Our pass rush has also been shoddy, but I've seen Rogers make some pretty bad plays on a consistent basis. Most notably, he drops easy INTs that even corners should be expected to get. I have not given up on Rogers, but my hopes and expectations are dying out.

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The bigger problem with Rogers for me is his attitude. He doesn't seem to have the commitment to improve that is necessary to be a top flight corner in the NFL.

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Playing corner is alot like playing Qb, it is all about confidance. If you can not trust your guys up front, it makes your job so much harder. Once your confidance is shot at corner your are F***ed. Thus the big cushion Carlos put ont the WR's and the opposing offenses exploited it.
Our front seven failed this last year. For 3/4 of this last season our front four did not generate any pass rush.
If you do not have a pass rush, I do not care who is playing CB, you will get burned.

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I've all but given up on "Almost Rogers"...I never liked him and never thought he was worth a first round pick...we could have had Merriman (How do you miss that one; he played around the corner).

I never really cared for "Almost" anyway, I remember during an interview at the combine he was asked who the best receiver he had ever faced and he responded saying "Taylor Jacobs". NOUGH SAID

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;272596]The bigger problem with Rogers for me is his attitude. He doesn't seem to have the commitment to improve that is necessary to be a top flight corner in the NFL.[/QUOTE]

Are you confussing attitude with ability?
I do not recall hearing anyone from Redskins park or the press say Carlos Rogers has a bad attitude or that he does not work hard enough. Could you name your source? Maybe I missed that story. I live in Houston now. I sometimes miss the local redskins news.

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[quote=Defensewins;272600]Are you confussing attitude with ability?
I do not recall hearing anyone from Redskins park or the press say Carlos Rogers has a bad attitude. Could you name your source? Maybe I missed it.[/quote]
If you need a source watch one of his interveiws...he seems like the kid that doesn't care about anything and doesn't do his homework.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe;272599]I've all but given up on "Almost Rogers"...I never liked him and never thought he was worth a first round pick...we could have had Merriman (How do you miss that one; he played around the corner).

I never really cared for "Almost" anyway, I remember during an interview at the combine he was asked who the best receiver he had ever faced and he responded saying "Taylor Jacobs". NOUGH SAID[/QUOTE]

A lot of people passed on Merriman, and a lot of people (including Champ) said great, great things about Taylor Jacobs.

Rogers isn't a star on his own, but surround him with solid players and he can definitely make a positive contribution.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe;272601]If you need a source watch one of his interveiws...he seems like the kid that doesn't care about anything and doesn't do his homework.[/QUOTE]

????
Are kidding me? Watch an interview? I am going to judge a guys character by an interview?
I don't give a rats a** how a guy interviews. This is football not Ms. America.
Does the guy attend all workouts? Do the coaches and teamates like his attitude and work ethic?
An interview? No thanks, not much of a source.

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[quote=TAFKAS;272602]A lot of people passed on Merriman, and a lot of people (including Champ) said great, great things about Taylor Jacobs.

Rogers isn't a star on his own, but surround him with solid players and he can definitely make a positive contribution.[/quote]
I agree, he needs to be surrounded with alot of talent, but "Taylor Jacobs!!!...Taylor Jacobs!!!...Are you kidding me...Taylor Jacobs!!!" lol Jim Mora

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Moving Springs & signing Clements should solidify our secondary but a pass rush and hopefully 10-90 Rogers bought a Juggs machine and he is using it 3 times a day.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;272603]????
Are kidding me? Watch an interview? I am going to judge a guys character by an interview?
I don't give a rats a** how a guy interviews. This is football not Ms. America.
Does the guy attend all workouts? Do the coaches and teamates like his attitude and work ethic?
An interview? No thanks, not much of a source.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I'm not going to dig up links for you - you can do that on your own - but I will tell you where to look. Start with an article on Rogers in the Post in which Springs says that Rogers doesn't hang around to ask questions of veterans. Then move onto the article in which Rogers says that he would be considered one of the top corners in the league if he had held onto several interception attempts - a patently ridiculous statement considering he was consistently attacked and burnt all year. Thomas Boswell talked about his lack of fire at one point. He did that dance after Troy Williamson dropped a TD in the first game which was bad. Williams went out of his way to say that Rogers had not been coached to give up the huge cushion he was giving.

Anyway, this is from memory, maye there are more, or maybe I am remembering some of these incorrectly. I just get the feeling he's not a particular humble guy, which is troubling because he sucks.

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When criticizing Rogers everyone is forgetting that their was no consistent pressure coming from the front also it sounded to me like the secondary coaches had their heads in their asses all year. In the Carolina game the D-line was all over the QB and Rogers had a great game.

In the NFL, no matter who the corner is, if the QB has time they will beat the coverage.

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i would be ok with moving springs to safety IF we had some quality corners. right now, he is the best corner on the roster

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[quote=TAFKAS;272602]A lot of people passed on Merriman, and a lot of people (including Champ) said great, great things about Taylor Jacobs.

Rogers isn't a star on his own, but surround him with solid players and he can definitely make a positive contribution.[/quote]

Thank you TAF. You know I'd have to weigh in since it burns me deep in my soul when people fall into this "mob mentality" and instantly label someone as a bust just because other people are saying it. He had maybe 2-3 what I would call "bad" games this year. Sure, I definitely agree he HAS TO CATCH INTERCEPTIONS, and if he did, how many would he have, 5-6? More?

Again, Kenny Wright covering the opposing team's starting receivers was our problem in the secondary, not Rogers. Once Springs was back in the starting lineup, things starting looking pretty damn good back there.

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My favorite Rodgers interview was the one after the Tampa Bay game, when they asked him about the play where Joey Galloway burned him on that slant for a touchdown. This is not verbatim, but he said something like, what did you expect? They ran a play action and I had single coverage against "the fastest guy in the NFL," what was I supposed to do? At this point, my opinion about him kinda changed, who says something like that? Ha, even Carlos admits he can't cover people when he doesn't have help. You're a professional, Carlos, man up and make a freakin play boy.