Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[QUOTE=EXoffender;281680]No need for scouts if we don't have draft picks...[/QUOTE]

Got that right!

This falls completly on Gibbs shoulders, he's the one who just had to have Brunell, he's the one who just had to have Portis, and so on, am I to believe that he is not responsable for player personel? He has spoken extensivly on how much he loves the NFL now with free agency, he basically tried to usher in a new way of building teams, shun the draft and overpay for players. I am curious what has the scouting dept done wrong? Did they insist on moving up to pick Campbell? Did they insist on moving up to take Mcintosh? And on and on we go. So now we will fire these guy's that are responsable for our failure with the draft, but oh by the way, they will be running this draft for old times sake. Makes a lot of sense, we really need them for this draft after all they have one pick to deceide on.

When it comes to personel, we have the blind leading the blind, does it really matter who we fire? If Gibbs can't spot talent how is he going to find a top talent evaluator? Then hand over all personel decisions to him, I really don't think that will happen.

The draft for Gibbs is like a giant pinata, he's running around in the war room with a blindfold and a big stick hopeing when he gets his turn to swing a good player falls out.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

Gibbs has to take the blame & he does, but wouldn't the scouting dept. be responsible for finding out about players' personalities & history?
I don't know who to blame, but AA & Loyd both had issues before coming here that the rest of league (and RExi) seemed to know about.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[QUOTE=freddyg12;281800]Gibbs has to take the blame & he does, but wouldn't the scouting dept. be responsible for finding out about players' personalities & history?
I don't know who to blame, but AA & Loyd both had issues before coming here that the rest of league (and RExi) seemed to know about.[/QUOTE]

Yup. He has to and he does. But it's the the scouting department that does the research and leg work. Just like any job, upper management (Gibbs and company) analyzes the information that the lower lever employees have put together.

Like I've said before though, so many people like to bitch and moan about our front office and want to see changes but they don't really want any substantial changes. They just want a stylish change, i.e. they just want to see the title General Manager in front of someone's name. Even if everything else stays the same. But the real changes have to come at the bottom, not the top.

It reminds me of the Wizards. They're doing really well now and getting good talent. But what people don't know is that Michael Jordan had a lot to do with that while he was President of the team. He completely overhauled the scouting department. When he got there there were like 2-3 scouts total, and none for overseas markets. He added college and pro scouts across the world, set up a checks and balances system for evaluation. And the team is better for it.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

ummmm, yeah, why are we firing a guy who's name is Shemy Schembechler?

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[QUOTE=gabe1984;281835]ummmm, yeah, why are we firing a guy who's name is Shemy Schembechler?[/QUOTE]

And yes he is Bo's son, for those wondering

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[quote=TAFKAS;281836]And yes he is Bo's son, for those wondering[/quote]

We need to keep that dude for his name, wonder if they call him Shem Shem?

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[quote=TAFKAS;281808]Yup. He has to and he does. But it's the the scouting department that does the research and leg work. Just like any job, upper management (Gibbs and company) analyzes the information that the lower lever employees have put together.

Like I've said before though, so many people like to bitch and moan about our front office and want to see changes but they don't really want any substantial changes. They just want a stylish change, i.e. they just want to see the title General Manager in front of someone's name. Even if everything else stays the same. But the real changes have to come at the bottom, not the top.

It reminds me of the Wizards. They're doing really well now and getting good talent. But what people don't know is that Michael Jordan had a lot to do with that while he was President of the team. He completely overhauled the scouting department. When he got there there were like 2-3 scouts total, and none for overseas markets. He added college and pro scouts across the world, set up a checks and balances system for evaluation. And the team is better for it.[/quote]

Didn't know that about the Wiz, I just thought his best moves were cutting Howard et al.
This past offseason really brought it home that there are structural flaws w/the team's player acquisition process. I don't care so much about the GM position as I do having quality staff & someone who's accountable, which is Gibbs. Maybe Gibbs will be our MJ in that much of his changes won't come to fruition till after he's gone.
I'm all for overhauling the scouting dept. but it sucks that there's already word on the streets.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

PFT... If you had 500 monkeys with 500 computers hooked to the internet, you'd get about as good info.

But this is the slow times, so: sure, fire the scouts. But GW was sold on AA, so it's pretty hard to blame Vinny and co for that. Still, brining in someone with the balls and brains to really do the job may help. Also, I agree that it's hard to fault the cap guy here. He's proven that if we want to overspend for an underachieving FA, we can do so at will.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[quote=TAFKAS;281836]And yes he is Bo's son, for those wondering[/quote]

I was wondering, nice fun fact TAFKAS.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[quote]But what people don't know is that Michael Jordan had a lot to do with that while he was President of the team. He completely overhauled the scouting department. When he got there there were like 2-3 scouts total, and none for overseas markets. He added college and pro scouts across the world, set up a checks and balances system for evaluation. And the team is better for it.[/quote]
He also chased RIP Hamilton out of town.

Can anyone explain to me what Eric Schaffer does and what he's done in the past? I think the first thing we need to do is take the head coach out of the personel department. It hasn't worked for other teams and it's not working for us. Coaches coach, front offices scout and draft. I'm not saying there shouldn't be communication, or Gibbs saying "I'm looking for a WR, but I need someone with some size." for example.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

There's a lot more to the Hamilton story...but this isn't a Wizards fan site

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;281675][url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm]ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet[/url]

[B]'SKINS TO CLEAN HOUSE AFTER THE DRAFT?[/B]

There's talk in league circles that the Washington Redskins will clean out the personnel department following the 2007 draft.

It's presently unclear whether V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato would be caught up in the rumored purge. Cerrato was fired by the team during the failed Marty Schottenheimer experiment, and re-hired after Marty was Schott-canned.

Per the 2006 NFL Record & Fact Book, the front office also includes director of pro personnel Louis Riddick, director of college scouting Scott Campbell, pro scouts Terry Ray and Donnie Warren, college scouts Mike Faulkiner, Tim Gribble, Shemy Schembechler, and Jim Zeches, national scouts Russ Bolinger and Joel Patten, and director of football administrtion Eric Schaffer.

[I]I wonder who people will scapegoat after Vinny is gone?[/I][/quote]

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.... SEE YA!

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[quote=Grim21Reaper;281690]This would be completely idiotic.

Wouldn't you fire them before the draft and let someone competent pick the players that you are going to make or break your upcoming season!?!?!?!?!?[/quote]

You'd think so!

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[quote=Buster;281884]You'd think so![/quote]

Not really, firing the entire dept right before the draft is what would be idiotic. It takes time to put a scouting dept together.

Re: PFT Rumor: Redskins to Fire Personnel Department After Draft
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS;281876]There's a lot more to the Hamilton story...but this isn't a Wizards fan site[/QUOTE]

I'd love to hear it although I believe he is greatly overrated in league circles.