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[quote=Daseal;283978]I see the starters as Rogers as our #1, and Smoot as our #2. We need to realize we can't have it both ways. We can't build through the draft and then expect our players to be NFL superstar caliber. Rogers is a damn good player, he had a couple bad games, he had a couple great games! Get off the man, he's only been in the league for two seasons! I also think we move Springs to safety when those two are on the field as starting corners. Gives us quite a ball-hawking secondary.[/quote]

I dont hate Carlos Rogers, and I actually supported him pretty strongly, but i just dont think hes better than Smoot, and i think he will be a fine nickel back until Springs gets cut or retires. But with that said, Carlos did have one of the worst years i have ever seen for a CB.

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Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.

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I don't think we have stability at the CB postion until we know for a fact Springs is going to stay, because outside of Springs, Smoot, and Rogers who do we have? Ade Jimoh???. I also wanted to add I think we should start Rogers, Smoot at CB this year and let Springs either play SS or come in on certain packages, and at nickel. We really need to get Carlos going here I think he is going to be a good young CB for us teamed with Smoot.

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[QUOTE=Misterbillysells;283975]i reject the notion that our DL lacks depth. we all know what cornelius can do, Carter came along during the season, daniels had 8 sacks just a year ago, wynn and evans give us good depth, and we spent late round draft picks on Golston and Montgomery last year to give us increased depth a long with salave'a. So with development of our younger players we have plenty of depth. And in greg williams system pressure on the quarterback usually comes from blitzing. We were unable to get that pressure because we had to hang back into coverage more often to help our vunerability in the secondary. So the in all actuality depth at corner does allow us to get increased pressure on the quarterback.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that we have depth-quality players in starting roles.

Don't kid yourself, this defensive line is atrocious. As someone else pointed out, 16 sacks -- by far the worst in the league -- and #27 against the run? Come on, what more proof do you need that these guys are old and ineffective? Griffin is probably OK as long as a young, pocket-collapsing renegade lines up next to him. But Salave'a might as well cash in his chips, the man can't hold up for 16 games anymore. Golston and Montgomery are long-term projects for #3 rotation spots at best. They aren't taking us anywhere.

Darrell Green in his prime, along with Champ, Smoot on his best day, and Rogers finally living up to his #9 overall billing won't matter one bit when the QB has all day to throw. Not to mention when those guys in the secondary are forced to make the tackle on a running play 10-15 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The defensive line is dreadful. Witness Tiki Barber's final performance at Fed Ex Field for proof positive of that.

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[quote=Mattyk72;283990]Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.[/quote]

Why do you think Branch will be the next Big Daddy?

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;283969]If we pass on Alan Branch i will go insane, he will make Smoot,Springs and Rogers much better[/QUOTE]

it will benefit fletcher more than the DB's dude. gaines or jamaal would benefit the DB's more

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;283990]Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.[/QUOTE]


I tell you, the more I hear of people taking a dump on Alan Branch, if we were to trade down, he could still be there for us to be able to grab him and another defensive linemen or two.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;283994]Why do you think Branch will be the next Big Daddy?[/quote]
He played at Michigan weighing 336lbs. Weight with this guy is a major concern. It's not like he set the world on fire this year anyway. He was okay but nothing stellar.

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[quote=jrocx69;283995]it will benefit fletcher more than the DB's dude. gaines or jamaal would benefit the DB's more[/quote]

Branch will make the whole defense better, Branch will also help the DBs because it will keep them from having to bite on Play action all the time

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[quote=Crat92;283999]He played at Michigan weighing 336lbs. Weight with this guy is a major concern. It's not like he set the world on fire this year anyway. He was okay but nothing stellar.[/quote]

Just so you know, Alan Branch was DT on the Nations #1 rush defense, they allowed 43.4 rush yards per game

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;284000]Branch will make the whole defense better, Branch will also help the DBs because it will keep them from having to bite on Play action all the time[/QUOTE]


As you can tell from my sig, I'm with you -- but man, this guy's stock is dropping big time.

In addition to his alleged weight problem, he's been described as lazy and takes several plays off. His stats aren't all that impressive either. Now, that could be because he gathers so much attention and double teams that other guys wind up making the tackle. I'd be interested to know what other D-tackles are expected to go in the first round, but I haven't heard of any. Branch is practically the only player at his position that you hear about good or bad.

I used to be a 100% draft Alan Branch guy -- but the more negative things I hear about him, I have to admit that percentage has dropped to about 94-96%.

If we could trade down and be able to get the next best defensive tackle, and a defensive end, that would be ideal.

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[quote=GiantsSuck703;284002]Just so you know, Alan Branch was DT on the Nations #1 rush defense, they allowed 43.4 rush yards per game[/quote]
And your point is..................?

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Arent LB's and FS/SS 's a little more notorious for "biting" PA than CB's?? just my opinion i could be wrong

Re: The Return Of Cb Stability
 

[quote=Mattyk72;283990]Branch seems like the next Big Daddy to me.

There's alot of depth along the defensive line in this draft, I'm hoping we can trade down, get more picks, and still fill needs.[/quote]

I'm liking the sound of Adam Carriker more as far as the likelihood of being a solid nfl starter. Adams & Anderson are rated high based on their pass rush ability, but it seems a lot of those highly rated pass rush prospects don't pan out.
Certainly aren't many reggie white type guys lately, lots of de's seem smaller the last few years.
Carriker might sill be there in the early to mid teens.

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[QUOTE=Crat92;284004]And your point is..................?[/QUOTE]

I believe the point would be that Alan Branch contributed to the nation's #1 ranking against the run, and had something to do with allowing only 43.4 yards per game on the ground.