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It all starts with stopping the run. If you can't stop the run it doesn't matter about the pass rush. You got walk before you run. You have to stop the run before anything else. In 2005 we were strong against the run and we did not have a very good pash rush and we still made it to the second round of the playoffs. Last year we sucked against the rush and we failed to make the playoffs. We need a DT.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan_nn;287285]There can be a quick fix to or D-LINE it's called healthy players, PD is fine. Sal is aging, however, I think Golston did a great job when Sal could not go...which was to often. And certainly think he can start....look who was behind him?
What makes you state him as an overachiever...to me that's what you want? I certainly think we have enough underachievers..."AKA" BL,ARCH
My position is DE first, DT second, to be adressed in Draft.[/QUOTE]

i agree with some of that but i dont understand how you can say that golston can start, with griffen id assume, when we gave up so much against the run. obviously something was very bad in the middle

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[quote=Defensewins;287286]It all starts with stopping the run. If you can't stop the run it doesn't matter about the pass rush. You got walk before you run. You have to stop the run before anything else. In 2005 we were strong against the run and we did not have a very good pash rush and we still made it to the second round of the playoffs. Last year we sucked against the rush and we failed to make the playoffs. We need a DT.[/quote]

That's a great point. Which is why I've been saying we should go get Ian Scott from the Bears. He would come pretty cheap, he's still young, and has a non-stop motor. With Scott, Golston, Montgomery, Griffin, S'alavea, and Boschetti there would be plenty of able bodies who could rotate (which Williams loves to do) at the DT position and stay fresh. If we did this we could draft a DE. I wouldn't mind Amobi Okoye in the draft while we're on the subject. He's young, smart, and can play end or DT, plus he's a "super smart character guy."

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[QUOTE=GMScud;287290]That's a great point. Which is why I've been saying we should go get Ian Scott from the Bears. He would come pretty cheap, he's still young, and has a non-stop motor. With Scott, Golston, Montgomery, Griffin, S'alavea, and Boschetti there would be plenty of able bodies who could rotate (which Williams loves to do) at the DT position and stay fresh. If we did this we could draft a DE. I wouldn't mind Amobi Okoye in the draft while we're on the subject. He's young, smart, and can play end or DT, plus he's a "super smart character guy."[/QUOTE]

Scott's great. He's meeting with Denver today isn't he?

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[quote=SmootSmack;287292]Scott's great. He's meeting with Denver today isn't he?[/quote]

Yeah, doesn't it feel kinda weird when a guy we could really use actually gets a visit with another team without our front office throwing way to much money at him??? I like the new approach. If we are really interested, we'll get a chance to counter Denver's offer if they make one.

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I agree with everything you guys have said so far. It all starts up front, and that's where we need the most help. We can't fix the entire front four this season, but we can start. I think we should stand pat at the #6 and take the best player available be it DE or DT. I like Alan Branch, he may not make a lot of tackles, but he eats up blockers for others, and will only get better. We need a quality player at one of those two positions, trading out of #6 might not afford us that opportunity.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;287197]In my opinion, we definately need a defensive end, Daniels is crap and is only getting worse due to his age. I dont know what to think about defensive tackle though. Griffin is good, Saleve'a is crap, and Golston is hovering around average. Is Golston good enough to be considered a starter? I think with his play last year, the answer is no, but he is young so he very well might develop into a quality starter. Should we address defensive tackle in this offseason, or let it be and hope it plays out well?[/quote]The quickest way to get pressure on a QB is to get a great DT. So we should use the 6th pick to get a great DT.

See how that works?

1) DT is more of an impact postion
2) The defensive ends with first round grades are all Carter clones, exception to Adam Carriker from Nebraska who I really like. But even with him, the better value is at TE.

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[quote=GMScud;287290]That's a great point. Which is why I've been saying we should go get Ian Scott from the Bears. He would come pretty cheap, he's still young, and has a non-stop motor. With Scott, Golston, Montgomery, Griffin, S'alavea, and Boschetti there would be plenty of able bodies who could rotate (which Williams loves to do) at the DT position and stay fresh. If we did this we could draft a DE. I wouldn't mind Amobi Okoye in the draft while we're on the subject. He's young, smart, and can play end or DT, plus he's a "super smart character guy."[/quote]Ian Scott would be a great pickup and exactly what we'd be looking for.

If I'm not mistaken, Blache was still the DC/DL coach in Chicago the year they drafted Ian Scott out of Florida (2003). I'm very surprised he's yet to be brought in for a visit.

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Seeing as how we are stuck with Carter for at least the next two seasons, I think the biggest draft mistake we could make would be moving foward without him in mind. He's going to get some pressure on the QB, get some help for him inside. If we trade down to get a falling Branch, that's great, but if we stay where we are and get Okoye, that's just as good.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;287312]Seeing as how we are stuck with Carter for at least the next two seasons, I think the biggest draft mistake we could make would be moving foward without him in mind. He's going to get some pressure on the QB, get some help for him inside. If we trade down to get a falling Branch, that's great, but if we stay where we are and get Okoye, that's just as good.[/QUOTE]

I think that Carter can be better as long as we get a good push up the middle kinda like we did in '05...

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[quote=GTripp0012;287310]Ian Scott would be a great pickup and exactly what we'd be looking for.

If I'm not mistaken, Blache was still the DC/DL coach in Chicago the year they drafted Ian Scott out of Florida (2003). I'm very surprised he's yet to be brought in for a visit.[/quote]

Being a Gator myself, you're not mistaken. I have been watching Scott for years, and he's a heck of a player. And Blache obviously likes what the guy brings to the table. Him and a healthy Griffin, with all the previously mentioned bodies backing him up. He'd be a bargain, and I truly hope we land him. That being said, if we cut Wynn, that leaves us only 2 DE's... Guess we better draft wisely. I say trade down that 6th pick and hope to get Carriker/Spencer/Moss, and get ourselves a 2nd and/or 3rd rounder.

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ian scott is good, but it doesn't look like we're interested.

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I love for us to take A DE in the draft....Anderson!!!! But I know we won't. We tock Arch in free agentcy and I was saying no get Chris Hope. Hope had a great season and Arch was just bad!

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[QUOTE=That Guy;287328]ian scott is good, but it doesn't look like we're interested.[/QUOTE] You are right on both ends....but I would sign Scott and then draft Anderson!

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[quote=RedskinPete;287356]You are right on both ends....but I would sign Scott and then draft Anderson![/quote]

and i really wouldn't have any problems with that. but that doesn't mean it's happening :/. okoye would be better, but there's no stud DE in FA, and without a late first or early 2nd, we wouldn't get anyone of note in the draft there after using the #6-#8 on okoye.