I am not so sure AO is worth a first round pick but I can imagine that is what is on offer. I can only think of one notable player we have traded in Champ and we had not much choice also if the site is right Snyder has been very close to tampering and given what happened last year with Milloy I cannot see the front office going down this road again.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]Take Ogunleye and put him in a lineup with any of the likes of Wynn, Daniels, Griffin, Haley, Noble and Upshaw, and he'll be lucky to be half as productive as he was in Miami. But add a big, run-stopping defensive tackle like one of the guys young 'Wale played with in Miami, and then you might be onto something. As much as the Redskins might need a pass rusher, they need a true monster in the middle even more. As it stands now, the Skins have nobody to clog up the middle, and nobody to rush the passer outside of Arrington and Washington. [/QUOTE]

Joe, I tend to think of this one from the other angle. I think one excellent pass rusher (which he certainly is) can transform a mediocre line. And with our LB's (and Williams' plans for using them so aggressively), that is even more the case.

Now as far as Samuels, I agree with you. But I don't believe we will have to give up Samuels. This came up in a thread a few weeks back, and I suggested a certain player at our DEEPEST position, and it started a firestorm with one of the kids here who insisted Miami did not need that position - so I won't mention it again LOL. But I still think that is what will eventually happen. Of course, a top draft pick will obviously have to be part of the deal.

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Still think the pass rush is the Redskins' most glaring weakness this season? Yeah, I'd give up a second rounder for Ogunleye, but I'd sacrifice the top picks in the next two drafts for a couple of 320-pounders who can eat up blockers and stuff opposing runners as capably as they put $8 dinner buffets out of business.
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Alright, I see your point, i just think that the D-line as a whole has been week. Unless there is an available High-level DT out there, I think we'd be best served at least fixing one part of the problem, versus none at all. I do agree with you that Ogunleye's production will fall off this year if he comes to us, because he's going to see a lot of double teams. But that can benefit our marginable D-lineman and help them have some more success.

By the way, how is Ogunleye against the run?

[QUOTE=joecrisp] I truly believe that he has benefitted enormously not only from playing in tandem with Jason Taylor, but just as importantly, from playing alongside a couple of thick-bodied tackles in 325-lb Larry Chester and 320-lb Tim Bowens-- not to mention the rest of the stellar cast in that Dolphins defense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]By the way, how is Ogunleye against the run?[/QUOTE]

Well, if tackles are an indication (and I think they are), he is better than decent. He had 64 tackles last year, more than almost all DE's, including Simeon Rice and Jason Taylor. Remember, those 64 tackles do not include the 16 sacks. He had more sacks, more solo tackles, and as many assists as Jason Taylor. I'm not saying he is better than Taylor, but don't discount his numbers because of Taylor. We did not discount discount Charles Mann's because of Manley and Butz...

think about this guys. We have no one on our line that deserves a double team. If we have Wale and he gets double teamed that opens us up to a lot of other options. Whose goign to pick up lavar blocking weakside now if they have to double him?!? weve got great linebackers and Griffin and Daniels are solid players. I think a solid end will be key to us taking that next step this year. I want us to give up our first though, not samuels. If we get rid of sameuls that leaves us with possibly a rookie and dockerys on teh right side...which doesnt look to promising, I dont care who our oline coach is thats not great protection.

Anyone know if Madden has already been produced? or is there a chance if we make this trade soon that they could update the rosters?

Well said, Canes. I would like to see if Samuels can get back to his form of 3 years ago with good coaching. But I really think it will take more than a first round pick. Probably that pick and a much lesser player than Samuels.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Anyone know if Madden has already been produced? or is there a chance if we make this trade soon that they could update the rosters?[/QUOTE]

They are pretty good about roster updates. It's one of the main reasons Madden kicks all forms of ass.

No...Madden starts mass production around mid July, but it will be on the updated roster in late August, IF...he were traded.

How does that work, how would i get my roster to be updated on my game? How could I dl something to my playstation, I guess you have to have your ps2 online? If any of you hvae done this can you fill me in on how it works, thanks.

So now with Williams retiring, think they will be asking for Ladell Betts instead of Samuels? :lol: