Re: Tiki at it agian
 

Coughlin's got some issues, but here's how I'd weigh his contributions to the game:

93-83-0 (Regular Season)
4-6 (Postseason)
97-89-0 (Overall)

Which, by and large, ain't too shabby.

Tiki's got some issues, too. But if he looked hard at his career, he'd realize Coughlin wasn't really one of them.

TDs from 1997-2003 (pre-Coughlin): 26
TDs from 2004-2006 (Coughlinian): 27
YPC from 1997-2003 (pre-Coughlin): 4.47
YPC from 2004-2006 (Coughlinian): 5.03
Fumbles per Touch (Rush/Rec) from 1997-2003 (pre-Coughlin): 2.14%
Fumbles per Touch (Rush/Rec) from 2004-2006 (Coughlinian): 0.77%

He may have "killed the love of the game", but by nearly every measurable stat, he resuscitated Tiki's ability to play it. If Tiki makes the Hall of Fame, he can attribute it to two things - Tom Coughlin, and the fact that the Redskins couldn't stop him... ever.

Re: Tiki at it agian
 

joe gibbs owned tiki barber and made him pick all his cotton and if you doubt that unregister your name now.

Re: Tiki at it agian
 

[quote=47YAC;347247]joe gibbs owned tiki barber and made him pick all his cotton and if you doubt that unregister your name now.[/quote]

Go away you horrible crackpot.

Re: Tiki at it agian
 

[QUOTE=47YAC;347247]joe gibbs owned tiki barber and made him pick all his cotton and if you doubt that unregister your name now.[/QUOTE]

You.

Banned.

Now.

Re: Tiki at it again
 

Tiki keeps talking, Coughlin get's fired, the Giants pay him the 10mil. he says they owe him, and he returns to the team to become a thorn in our side again. I don't ever want to see him in a Giant's uniform again. I truly hope he does not talk himself off the set, he might decide to play again.

Re: Tiki at it again
 

I think that now with Tony Dungy winning a super bowl a new prescadence has been set about how players expect coaches to treat them. Before players would look at 'nice guy' coaches and say they seem nice to play for but if I want to win I got play for a guy who barely knows how to smile.

Tiki might have taken a look at the Colts and throught thats the kind of coach I want to play for. The type of coach that treats his players with the respect and class they deserve (though this is up for debate concerning certain players).

If I had to label Gibbs coaching style then I would label him as a Parcells/Dungy hybrid.

Re: Tiki at it again
 

i used to respect tiki but callin out all your teammates and coaches, even if it is just to sell a book, is cowardice. if you were unhappy with it at the time then deal with it then.

stop dwelling in the past tiki, time to move on.

Re: Tiki at it again
 

[QUOTE=dall-assblows;347309]i used to respect tiki but callin out all your teammates and coaches, even if it is just to sell a book, is cowardice. if you were unhappy with it at the time then deal with it then.

stop dwelling in the past tiki, time to move on.[/QUOTE]


When the Tom Friend article apeared last year in the WasPost and created such a stir, I recall Antonio Pierce boasting about what great organizational unity existed within the Giants organization, contrary to what he had experienced at times while he was here. I wonder if his take now is still the same.

Re: Tiki at it again
 

[quote=Longtimefan;347320]When the Tom Friend article apeared last year in the WasPost and created such a stir, I recall Antonio Pierce boasting about what great organizational unity existed within the Giants organization, contrary to what he had experienced at times while he was here. I wonder if his take now is still the same.[/quote]

Yes. They are unified by their hatred of Coughlin.

Re: Tiki at it again
 

you know the way i look at it? who cares who hates who, as long as those guys play on Sunday. and the giants have back to back playoff appearances. so Tiki, quit crying, and shut the f*** up

Re: Tiki at it again
 

It sounds weird saying this about a retired player, but the only person he's really hurting is himself. It sounds like he still has to prove something, I just don't think anyone cares. He's yesterday's news.

Re: Tiki at it again
 

[quote=hagams;347350]It sounds weird saying this about a retired player, but the only person he's really hurting is himself. It sounds like he still has to prove something, I just don't think anyone cares. He's yesterday's news.[/quote]

Its true, nobody really cares. Its not like Giants fans are now calling for Coughlins retirement (any more so than before the comments were made). If anything they are going the other way and realizing how Tiki's numbers were much better under TC and that the validity of Tiki's previous criticism of TC is now questionable. Is it actually TC's fault or is Tiki just a little soft, whiny baby?

Re: Tiki at it agian
 

[quote=steveo395;347082]Tiki was planning to retire all season. He announced it way before he knew Coughlin was going to keep his job.[/quote]

The way it is being reported is wrong. Tiki said that Coughlin made him lose his love for the game not that he would have come back had Coughlin gotten fired. The point is that he stopped loving football playing under Coughlin. Once you lose that fire it wouldn't have mattered if a new coach came in or not. Obviously it is not nearly on the same level, but I kind of understand as I had a similar experience playing college football. I had a bad coach, a program that was not committed to winning, and playing football just was not the same for me. Football was my life and then I got in a situation where it just was not fun anymore and I ended up transferring and giving up football. I'm biased as I'm a Tiki fan from back in the UVa days, but I understand what he's saying and I think the reporting of his comments doesn't quite capture the meaning.

Re: Tiki at it agian
 

[QUOTE=Joe Ribbs BBQ;347050]Tiki always had great games against the skins.... glad hes gone and Im also glad hes running his mouth, he will put his foot in more and more until no one likes him anymore..... pretty soon he will say his brother sucks at football and cant play either[/QUOTE]

yeah really thats because his brother has a ring and he doesn,t.lol
to me he,s just another mouth in the media at this point...

Re: Tiki at it again
 

To be fair Tiki also gave him credit for helping him become a better running back so its not like he just bashed the guy. He gave his view both bad and good.