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jgalecpa 10-21-2007 07:12 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[quote=4mrusmc;367067]What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. [/quote]

Remember, the kid still hasn't played 16 games.

The O-Line is put together with bubble gum and string, and we didn't have our starting center out there.

But as to progress, I think it is undeniable.

OK: Here are some stats:

Compared to 2006:

His completion rate is up 5 points or 10% more than last year;

His average completion is 14% longer than last year; and

His QB rating is up 6%.


Dunno if I am allowed to post a link, but here is the source:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8440]ESPN - Jason Campbell Stats, News, Photos - Washington Redskins - NFL Football[/url]


J-Dawg

dblanch66 10-21-2007 07:27 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[QUOTE=4mrusmc;367067]This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.

GiantsSuck703 10-21-2007 07:43 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
I really dont get the complaining, the last time we beat Arizona we needed a kickoff return for a TD to win the game and we made it to the second round of the playoffs that year, and Arizona was really bad that year. Were fine, we will get healthy and I think our defense will keep us in the game next week.

chrisl4064 10-21-2007 07:44 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[quote=skinsfan69;367103]I just thought the playcalling was terrible today. It looked like the 04/06 offense. No creativity, too many short passes and too many screens. Why are we not trying to get Santana more involved??????? When we do get him involved it's that stupid smoke screen pass.

With all then being said I'm happy as hell we are 4-2. I'll take it.[/quote]


im agreeing here, i was shaking my head in disbelief at how god awful the playcalling was. we did the typical third and long throw it to the slowest guy (sellers) who gets stopped 5 yards short of the first down marker, well no shit!

chrisl4064 10-21-2007 07:45 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[quote=dblanch66;367115]Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.[/quote]


were you referring to "the offense looks like crap" because i also will agree with that.

skinsfan69 10-21-2007 08:09 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[quote=rypper11;367106]My predicted score was off a little but my Warpath prediction was right on. Bitching from the masses about "conservitive gamecalling" and "Gibbs and Saunders holding JC back" even though we win. I am so tired of so-called fans crying that they want wide open offense and a completely stifling Defense. Of course JC should be able to throw for 300 yards a game and Portis run for another 200 because that's what they do on Madden 08 every week. "Take the handcuffs off JC" and "open up the offense". This is a tired and ridiculous decree from people who obviously prefer the AFL over the NFL. For the people who refuse to accept that having only 2 of five opening day starters healthy along the Oline and hate the "conservative playcalling", watch the Lions, Bengals and Colts. They are far more exciting though with various degrees of a winning record. Even Manning has looked human with Tarek Glenn retired.
For those who are just waiting for the Philadelphia Soul to retake the field and would rather lose 49-48 than win 3-0, please just tune into the NBA or better yet play Madden 08 and tell all your friends that you could take the Dolphins to the SuperBowl if only you had the job.[/quote]

Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!!

skinsguy 10-21-2007 08:15 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[QUOTE=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/QUOTE]

I get sooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining in general. It's even more ignorant when we actually win the game and have a winning record of 4-2. But, that's just me. :rolleyes:

mheisig 10-21-2007 08:26 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72;367093]They saying goes that it all starts up front, and I think that couldn't be any further from the truth.[/QUOTE]

Eh? You're saying the line doesn't matter??

jdlea 10-21-2007 08:27 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[QUOTE=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/QUOTE]

Oh, so it must be the running backs who fell off, not the offensive line play. When a team loses one starter it's a problem, when you lose 2, that's a pretty big deal. Wade is getting starter money? SO WHAT!!!! (when you add exclamation points, apparently that makes you right) He's not a very good tackle and Fabini used to start, that doesn't mean anything either. It's a bad idea to add depth because you anticipate guys missing entire seasons. Neither one of them is very good, you can see that by watching them play the game.

Somehow, I think that the injured offensive linemen might be keeping the offense from producing the way they could.

GMScud 10-21-2007 08:32 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
I don't know how to look up this stat, but has a team ever started 4-2 without a TD reception by a WR? We HAVE to get better at getting the ball downfield. It's really bad in that regard.

I know we have to keep Cooley in to block b/c of the line injuries, but how then did he end with 9 catches against GB? Why can't we get ANYTHING down the middle of the field? The running lanes aren't opening for us with the line in the shape that it's in. We need to get the passing game more involved. With 4 outta the next 5 on the road, we need more scoring.

Redskins247 10-21-2007 08:35 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[QUOTE=skinsfan242;367060]You know no matter what happened we ended up WINNING the Game. There are some things that can be questioned but you also have to remember this is the NFL and the other teams step up when their backs are against the wall. No matter what happened we won the game.

Can everyone on here just talk about the Fact that we are 4-2 when everyone including alot of you thought we would have a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

Can you talk about how the Defense is dominant and if not for two stupid personal fouls the game would have never been close?

Sure all you want to do is complain but I guarntee you the Packers fans weren't complaining they beat us when we gave the game away.

Let's just go with the facts, we have a great defense an injured offensive line and we play hard. We are 4-2 not 3-3.

Have a good week and just hope we can pull off a Major Upset next week.[/QUOTE]

You HAVE to keep in mind how DIE-HARD fans all of us are here, and we see so much potential and talent on this team and hate to see it not being utilized to the fullest!! (aka Pats & Colts...COMPLETELY utilizing all it's talent!)

BUT...when you look at ALL the injuries we've had this early...4-2 is pretty damn good!!!

rypper11 10-21-2007 08:39 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[quote=skinsfan69;367136]Every team has injuries and you can't use them as an excuse. I get soooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of people complaining that we have a banged up O-line. Wade is getting starter money. Fabini has been a starter in the league for a long time. Deal with it!!!![/quote]

They are dealing with it. The way they are dealing is by limiting exposure and playing to strengths. Thus, no 7 step drops hoping that the 3rd string guard can block a Pro Bowl DT who already had 6 sacks going into the game. If JC gets hurt would you expect Brunell to run the same plays or ones better suited to him? Injuries are no reason to complain about losses but they are a reason to alter gameplans.

GTripp0012 10-21-2007 08:47 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
The ONLY problem I have with the play calling (which on the whole tends to be very good) is that Saunders seems to always have the worst possible play call ready for 3rd and short. It's very easy to predict that we are going to three step drop, and try to drill a pass at a guy who is standing 5 yards from the QB. You don't really need to defend it, because you can't catch a pass that JC throws if you are only standing 5 yards from him.

Do we ever run in 3rd and short? No. Do we ever take advantage of the short yardage to PA pass? No. We just throw it at someones feet and punt.

The worst part is, that I can completely predict that Saunders is going to do it every time we are in third and short. It's undoubtably the worst play call that can be made in that situation, and we do it 100% of third and short situations, no exceptions.

Cowell 10-21-2007 08:51 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
A wins a win, that is true. I would rather have the win then anything. I think we are complaining because despite our record (which I'm not arguing with either) we have so many problems. We all know we have the talent on this team to be more than an average team, but somehow we find a way to negate that talent. That's why we are complaining. With the talent on this team that game shouldn't have been close at all, dumb penalties or not.

dgack 10-21-2007 08:56 PM

Re: Why all the complaining?
 
[quote=4mrusmc;367067]This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. [/quote]

First of all, you don't need to be the Patriots and be dominant on both sides of the ball to make the playoffs and make noise in a weak NFC. Chicago Bears anyone?


[quote=4mrusmc;367067]
What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. [/quote]

Oh, I guess you missed the week where he posted the second-best QB rating in the league. Or the numerous third-and-forever plays where his back was against the wall due to penalties and mistakes, and yet he came through despite the defense bringing the house. And, I guess, you figure the 9 dropped passes last week were all his fault.


[quote=4mrusmc;367067]
And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.[/quote]

You lose 90% of your O-line, and then half of the backups, and what do you expect? Frankly, two rushing TD's ought to stop the bitching. I'd rather see Portis rush 90 times for one yard and 3 TD's than peel off 200 yards and get blanked trying to get the scores.


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