Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

I don't buy that CP would avoid wear-and-tear now because it will ultimately hurt his value on the open market if he's seen as damaged goods. It's in his best interest to have a great year this year, in spite of any O-Line woes we may have.

Also, it just seems to go counter to the way he tries to play. I mean, if he'll jack himself up tackling a dude in a preseason game why would he dog it in an actually meaningful one?

No, I think he's just a guy who has never been built for the type and sheer volume of running we subjected him to when he got here. He was a Jaguar and we tried to use him like a bulldozer. Needless to say, the Jag is pretty effed up right now.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=MTRedskinsFan;370393]WTF! Why isn't it obvious to everyone that CP is messed up. Whether he's hurt, depressed, or just looking to get out of Washington there's no real umph there.

Two predictions:

1) When Portis leaves the Redskins and/or football behind he will be one of few players who will talk candidly about how Gibbs never established a rapport w/ the players. CP is a likeable guy who generally likes everybody, but he and Gibbs don't really have any chemistry. And then you stop and think, "Gibbs doesn't really have chemistry with anyone out there."

2. Saunders, if he finally gets to take over the offense, will prefer Betts to Portis (maybe not even keep CP). Portis knows this, and if he already senses that Gibbs is out for sure after this season then he'll likely be traded. If I were Portis I would be looking ahead and avoiding as much punishment as possible this season. It's smart and good business.

Bottom line: IMO the lack of production in our ground game has as much to do w/ the coaching situation (which is a fucking mess) as it does w/ injuries to the o-line.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Following last season, Portis gave a great interview on the John Thompson Show on SportsTalk 980 in DC and strongly defended Gibbs. He talked about how Gibbs has an open door policy and at meetings encourages people to voice their complaints.

The running game was fine when our backup had 1,000 yards rushing in half a season in 2006. And it was fine when Portis set the franchise rushing record and he and the defense carried the team to the playoffs in 2005

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Portis. Portis. Portis. Betts can't break the big one and CP could use a healthy O-Line, which we just don't have. No Jansen, Thomas, no big holes to run through. Betts is fine, but he did what he did last year in the 2nd half on a 5-11 team. We're going to be 5-3 after we beat the Jets next week. And Portis is the better back.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=dgack;370401]I don't buy that CP would avoid wear-and-tear now because it will ultimately hurt his value on the open market if he's seen as damaged goods. It's in his best interest to have a great year this year, in spite of any O-Line woes we may have.

Also, it just seems to go counter to the way he tries to play. I mean, if he'll jack himself up tackling a dude in a preseason game why would he dog it in an actually meaningful one?

No, I think he's just a guy who has never been built for the type and sheer volume of running we subjected him to when he got here. He was a Jaguar and we tried to use him like a bulldozer. Needless to say, the Jag is pretty effed up right now.[/QUOTE]

I think CP will jack himself up in any situation when he believes in what he's doing and believes in the team. Again, I have to go back to the bigger picture. CP sees this mess from the inside out and probably says "WTF! This season ain't going no where." (literally, i bet he used those words). Then he realizes that his time here is limited w/ Saunders era just around the corner. I wouldn't want to take much punishment in this situation either, especially if I want to play football beyond my 20's. As to his value, I think CP is sort of beyond some of that shit. I think he wants to win more than he wants to get rich. Don't be surprised if he ends up w/ lesser, but key, role w/ a real contender and for a smaller contract.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[quote=SmootSmack;370411]
The running game was fine when our backup had 1,000 yards rushing in half a season in 2006. And it was fine when Portis set the franchise rushing record and he and the defense carried the team to the playoffs in 2005[/quote]

While true, Portis has been running harder and more to make the same yardage that he was racking up in Denver at a much more manageable workload.

I just don't think you can run a guy nearly 700 times in 2 years and expect him to not break down.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=dgack;370417]While true, Portis has been running harder and more to make the same yardage that he was racking up in Denver at a much more manageable workload.

I just don't think you can run a guy nearly 700 times in 2 years and expect him to not break down.[/QUOTE]

Yeah my point was more to the allusion that coaching is responsible for the demise of our running game

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[quote=SmootSmack;370428]Yeah my point was more to the allusion that coaching is responsible for the demise of our running game[/quote]I'd say the O-line injuries are the number one factor there. We've had 1000 yard rushers in Gibbs' first three seasons back, but this season is the most beat up the O-line has been. Give us a healthy Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen, and I'm sure that Portis and Betts would both be very productive this season.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

No one else has seen portis play half speed???? not just this season, but last season and the season before that, in exception to his first game against tampa. Has no one really seen this??? wow, maybe its not portis's fault....then you raise the question... why do we have him if the coaches run a certain style and we have this style runner? im stunned by alot of you backing portis... 8 year 50 mil running back??? and even this question to come up means he is not worth it period.

injury prone, hits holes (when has them) slow, always seems to fall down, absolutely no agility, quickness or bursting in 2nd level... when he does make to 2nd level... you know he going to fall down forward instead of making that last cut with a burst to create the big run or td run we all have been waiting for since his first rush here. we seriously need to find a RB soon that fits gibbs style. we need our own maurice jones drew or brian westbrook, someone who can play with much more of a burst and every touch you worry its a TD kind of player... 8 yr 50mil for this guy??? NO

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

it would be better id we had an O-line, right now it seems Portis is making something out of nothing better then betts is

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Betts hasn't even gotten a fair chance. Seriously power backs like him are comprable to diseal engines. Plus whatever happened to splitting the carries. Gibb's only said that was going to happen about 5 million times this offseason?

Personally I don't think Portis is healthy right now. And on top of that Betts needs a chance to hit his stride. We've done the Portis thing, it hasn't been working. As a result we need to see if Betts can do better. If he doesn't then fine, but at least give the guy a chance. Three carries a game is not fair, especially when the coach told him he was going to get a fair share of carrries this season. [B]AND ESPECIALLY WHEN he signs a contract that is way below market value to stay with the team. [/B]

Look I love Portis. He plays his ass off and he seems like a fun guy to be around. But Gibbs is doing no one any favors by playing a guy thats as banged up as Portis. If anything his career is getting shorter everytime he takes a handoff from Campbell to the point where he might only have one good year left.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Portis is the new Brunell.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Portis isn't worth his contract at all; That is my only issue with it all. I'm sure though that if the redskins had a healthy offensive line, everyone would be looking a lot better. Even then though, Portis isn't worth all that money. He should be used a lot more than that split back theory. Thats why you pay that guy big bucks. If you want to have the running backs split the carriers, get ladell and another runner who signs for a reasonable contract. You don't have your "superstar" sharing the load with someone else.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Portis finds the endzone

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370411]Following last season, Portis gave a great interview on the John Thompson Show on SportsTalk 980 in DC and strongly defended Gibbs. He talked about how Gibbs has an open door policy and at meetings encourages people to voice their complaints.

The running game was fine when our backup had 1,000 yards rushing in half a season in 2006. And it was fine when Portis set the franchise rushing record and he and the defense carried the team to the playoffs in 2005[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Portis also said in that interview, I believe, that other players ask him to go to Gibbs because of the strong rapport they have. I can't remember exactly but Portis said basically that people use him as a messenger with Gibbs.

So MTFan, I think you are off base with your prediction.

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

What I don't understand is why we aren't utilizing a two back approach more. It seems like since the Miami game - by far Betts' most succesful outing - Portis has gotten the overwhelming majority of the carries. Why not try and balance the attack more, especially since Portis hasn't been that productive?

Re: Portis v. Betts: The Grass is Always Greener
 

Portis doesn't have any passion for his game any longer from what I can tell. NFL running backs have an average lifespan of 6 years in the NFL. Portis might have already seen his best days. The Skins need to start looknig for other options.