Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

That's the problem with having small recievers, they are more injury prone.

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

I don't know if we're better off without him, but the more comfortable Jason get's, I think he's less important to us, that's for sure. He seems like the type of guy that has to be 100% healthy to be effective. In other words, playing through injuries isn't his thing.

I think he's a Redskins next year for sure, but Jason is proving he doesn't need Moss on the field to get it done.

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

For some reason it seems Moss and JC just can't get on the same page. Now that Moss has spent the better part of the last 2 seasons banged up, I really think the team might look in another direction this offseason. I love the guy and he's a big play WR when healthy, but we need a guy that's going to be on the field more often than not.

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

I think Moss and ARE are too similar. Both are homerun hitters who will drop an easy pass occasionally or falter when less than 90%. They also provide the electrifying and game changing plays that SportsCenter was made for. When the two of them are your starters there is no possesion move the chains guy (save for Cooley who ends up having too often to block on 3rd down).

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

Injuries have derailed him this year, to start the year off him and Campbell were connecting on those deep balls, remember the 49 yard gem against the Giants? We knew before we traded for him, or at least we should have known, that he is a bit injury prone. But when healthy he is definitely a #1 WR, or have we forgotten he did make the Pro Bowl a couple years back?

I'm confused, how is Thrash's good game a black mark on Moss? That's like Bett's production last year reflecting poorly on Portis, and neither one make sense to me. These are good things, if anything when Moss gets healthy that means Thrash as the #3 wideout makes our offense even better, or am I missing the point?

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

no way. I think how much better our offense would be if they let Jason throw the ball like yesterday when Moss is in the game. The two games they let Jason throw the ball he has looked pretty damn good. Just so happened moss was hurt. When moss has been on the field, the game plan has just seemed more conservative. If the let Jason run the offense from a spread formation, moss, randel el, cooley, Lloyd (yes Lloyd!!) and spread the ball around it would be a dynamic offense.

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Ugh... enough with Lloyd already. Give it up the guy is a bum.

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;377094]For some reason it seems Moss and JC just can't get on the same page. Now that Moss has spent the better part of the last 2 seasons banged up, I really think the team might look in another direction this offseason. I love the guy and he's a big play WR when healthy, but we need a guy that's going to be on the field more often than not.[/QUOTE]

Was Moss banged up last year? One has to wonder if the "funk" he's in has more to do with the direction he sees this team heading in.

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[quote=Beemnseven;377116]Was Moss banged up last year? One has to wonder if the "funk" he's in has more to do with the direction he sees this team heading in.[/quote]

Yeah he missed time last year with nagging injuries too

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[quote=Mattyk72;377112]Ugh... enough with Lloyd already. Give it up the guy is a bum.[/quote]



LOL!! Call me crazy Matty but I still have a hard time thinking the kid can't catch the damn ball. If he isn't in the game he cant catch it, plus if he is getting one ball thrown to him every game, and that ball he get thrown to him is 5 yards over thrown, and he makes an all out effor diving and just goes of the tips, I dont see him making those catches. I have seen this guy play, he can play. he needs to be on the field when they go 3 or 4 wr.

Hell, McCardell caught some balls when they went 3 or 4 wide, even a damn TD. Lloyd can play, he just needs some PT and some balls thrown his way.

I did drink all day and all night yesterday, am I still feeling it??

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[quote=#56fanatic;377124]LOL!! Call me crazy Matty but I still have a hard time thinking the kid can't catch the damn ball. If he isn't in the game he cant catch it, plus if he is getting one ball thrown to him every game, and that ball he get thrown to him is 5 yards over thrown, and he makes an all out effor diving and just goes of the tips, I dont see him making those catches. I have seen this guy play, he can play. he needs to be on the field when they go 3 or 4 wr.

Hell, McCardell caught some balls when they went 3 or 4 wide, even a damn TD. Lloyd can play, he just needs some PT and some balls thrown his way.

I did drink all day and all night yesterday, am I still feeling it??[/quote]

Yep, you're crazy.

If Lloyd could play he would be on the field more. That fact that the coaches trust McCardell who joined the team during the season more than Lloyd who's been here for 1.5 seasons now is very telling.

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

Maybe JC looks more to Moss when he is in and gets lock onto him instead of looking him off when he is not open. When he is not in JC is looking the field over more and hitting the open guy.

Re: Are We Better Off Without Moss?
 

[QUOTE=firstdown;377151]Maybe JC looks more to Moss when he is in and gets lock onto him instead of looking him off when he is not open. When he is not in JC is looking the field over more and hitting the open guy.[/QUOTE]

Essentially the point I was trying to make.

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I agree once again. I think that when Moss is in JC thinks that he MUST throw the ball to him, and he gets some tunnel vision. Moss and JC just can't seem to get a rhythm and get adjusted to each other and honestly if it hasn't happened by now I don't think there is much of a chance it will ever happen. I'm not sure if we are better off without Moss but it's starting to look that way.

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[quote=Beemnseven;377038]Yeah, you hate to basically write off this wideout lineup, but to me, this was the make or break year for the Moss/Lloyd/Randle El experiment.

This season, it's been an utter disaster. Since pass protection has generally been good, you can't put this one on offensive line injuries either. Maybe it's the development curve of Jason Campbell, but usually a team knows whether or not this combination of QB and receivers are going to work out. Year two should be when things begin to take off.

How ironic that after hearing that no wide receiver on the team has caught a touchdown yet, the one who finally does is way down the depth chart (and true to form for 2007, is probably gone for a long time due to injury).[/quote]

By far and large it has been a disaster, but ARE has been pretty damned effective when he's been healthy. And let's not forget that he was stopped on the 1, what, 3 or 4 times? The whole "no TD's to WR" stat is a little misleading there, and if our goal line run game was the slam dunk it should have been, you'd be reading about how dominant our RB's are.

As I have been saying for some time, I do think something isn't right with Moss. Lloyd isn't even worth discussing because he's poison on and off the field. ARE is worth the money we paid him, IMO, and I don't want to see him go anywhere.