Re: Who's The Best Draft Pick In The Gibbs 2.0 Era
 

[quote=Mattyk72;378183]I guess a lot of NFL execs don't watch college ball, because your take certainly doesn't take into account first round busts which there are always a few per each draft.[/quote]It's usually pretty easy to diagnose the crappy prospects from the good prospects pre draft. It's MUCH harder to seperate the great players from the good players.

I don't give teams a free pass for reaching for crappy players. The Redskins have too good of a college personnel department to do that. The teams that draft busts are the same teams every year.

Now we can give the Saints a pass for taking Reggie Bush, who is looking to be a good offensive weapon, not one who would revolutionize the game. But I can't write the Lions a pass for taking players in 2002, 2003, and 2005 with college production that did not match up with their pre draft reputation. That was easy, and they f'ed it up.

The Redskins have a college personnel department which doesn't do that.

Re: Who's The Best Draft Pick In The Gibbs 2.0 Era
 

I'll have to go w/ Cooley and Taylor...yes its a tie. Although JC has a great upside the jury is still out.

Golston and Montgomery seem to be real good late round picks. Rogers, Rocky, Laron were good draft picks. Laron may be up there w/ Taylor and Cooley soon.

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[quote=Schneed10;378171]Jury's still out a bit on him, but I'd keep my eye on Anthony Montgomery. He's having what I'd consider to be a quality, but not dominant, season on the D-Line. Basically, a solid DT, disruptive to the run game, gets to the passer every once in a while, keeps bodies off Fletcher.

Even if he gets no better and plays like this for the next 10 years, I think he's a $5 million per-year player. That's pretty huge out of a 6th round pick.

Campbell and Taylor are bigger contributors and probably will be, but considering draft value, I'd say keep an eye on Monty.[/quote]

He's definitely been the surprise of this season to me, with Rocky a close 2nd.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;378183]I guess a lot of NFL execs don't watch college ball, because your take certainly doesn't take into account first round busts which there are always a few per each draft.[/QUOTE]

I would say more first rounders end up good rather than busts. Some might exceed expectations a bit while others are not quite be all they were thought they would be, but full-on Heath Shuler type busts are really not that common. The draft is no sure thing but the 1st round is about as sure a thing as the draft can provide.

I guess my best would be Taylor since there really are not that many to choose from that have actually had a chance to make an impact.

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[QUOTE=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round, what the Skins dont have is that core of 2nd, 3rd & 4th round pick that really make up the foundation and depth of a successful team.[/QUOTE]

Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers [B] BUST[/B]
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears [B] BUST[/B]
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans [B] BUST[/B]
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings [B] BUST[/B]
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals [B] BUST[/B]
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions [B] BUST[/B]

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;378188]I'll have to go w/ Cooley and Taylor...yes its a tie. Although JC has a great upside the jury is still out.

Golston and Montgomery seem to be real good late round picks. Rogers, Rocky, Laron were good draft picks. Laron may be up there w/ Taylor and Cooley soon.[/QUOTE]

It's seems that Griffin is on his last leg the development of Golston & Montgomery was huge they are the future a DT unless they draft a beast like Glenn Dorsey.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;378200]Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers [B] BUST[/B]
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears [B] BUST[/B]
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans [B] BUST[/B]
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings [B] BUST[/B]
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals [B] BUST[/B]
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions [B] BUST[/B]

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call Pacman a bust persay he just can't get away his friends. But on the field I would pick Pacman if he wasn't carrying all this baggage with him.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;378200]Just to pile on - Let's look at just the top 10 picks from 2005 (2006 still kind of early to call anyone a bust) -

1 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers [B] BUST[/B]
2 Ronnie Brown Miami Dolphins
3 Braylon Edwards Cleveland Browns
4 Cedric Benson Chicago Bears [B] BUST[/B]
5 Cadillac Williams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 Pacman Jones Tennessee Titans [B] BUST[/B]
7 Troy Williamson Minnesota Vikings [B] BUST[/B]
8 Antrel Rolle Arizona Cardinals [B] BUST[/B]
9 Carlos Rogers Washington Redskins
10 Mike Williams Detroit Lions [B] BUST[/B]

You might dispute a couple of those, but even if you take just the certifiables (Smith, Benson, Williamson, M. Williams) - that's a 40% failure rate in the TOP TEN. Number 1 picks are no gimmes - and while I agree that depth is built by finding serviceable players in later rounds, successful teams find successful number 1's.

In one of my preseason mags they broke down the league wide "success" rate of picks made after round 1 and it was pretty low. We are talking players still playing for the team that drafted them more than 3 years after the draft. It was less than 20%.[/QUOTE]

There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.

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[QUOTE=irish;378209]There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.[/QUOTE]

The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.

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[quote=irish;378165]Anybody that even remotely follows college football can make a good pick in the 1st round,[/quote]

That might be one of the most grossly inaccurate statements I have seen on this site.

I agree that its easier to pick a 1st rounder than later selections but there is unquestionably more pressure and expectations associated with a 1st rd pick. So let's not oversimplify the drafting process.

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I gotta go with the flow and say Cooley and Taylor

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[QUOTE=irish;378209]There is a reason the 'busts' all seem to cluster in the 1st 10 picks, the teams drafting them are bad. Its hard to not look like a bust when the team is terrible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;378219]The Bears were in the Super Bowl last year, Titans are 6-3 (I think), Lions are 6-3. None of them thanks to Benson, Jones, or Williams.[/QUOTE]

Ahhh, there you go again SS - confusing the issue with facts.

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In terms of actual performance to this point I think the winner is Taylor.

As my personal favorite not based on performance? Rock Cartwright
"Rock Cartwright - The New and Improved Ade Jimoh"

Re: Who's The Best Draft Pick In The Gibbs 2.0 Era
 

I'd say Jason Campbell by a wide margin...

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[quote=JoeRedskin;378260]In terms of actual performance to this point I think the winner is Taylor.

As my personal favorite not based on performance? Rock Cartwright
"Rock Cartwright - The New and Improved Ade Jimoh"[/quote]Wasn't Rock a Spurrier pick?