Re: Chad Johnson up to his old antics...
 

[quote=Paintrain;434374]Why should he 'just shut up and play'?[B] Doesn't he have the right, regardless of his contract numbers, to state that he's unhappy with his employer? Unlike 'normal' people he doesn't have the ability to simply seek a job with one of his competitors by quitting and walking down the street to work for one of them.[/B]

I am not a blanket defender of using the media to push your agenda, for example I ripped Laverneus Coles for his constant griping about his contracts but this is a different scenario. Johnson simply wants to play for another team. He didn't ask for more money or a longer deal, he wants out.

Sorry but the whole 'just shut up and play' mentality bothers me.[/quote]
i had to respond. first, he has every "right" to voice his displeasure. but as long as he is under contract, show up. they are called voluntary, be we all know the reality. secondly, no he cant just pick up, walk down the street and work for a competitor. but i also cant make the millions that he makes. he has FAR from a normal job. i guarantee everyone on his board would love to have the chance at that kind of money. not trying to argue, just disagreeing

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I agree with the masses. This guy can make plays, and wants to get traded to a team that will provide him with a means to get a ring. It's looking like the snowball effect. It started as he just wanted out, then he demanded a trade, now he skips a work-out. This is going to get big if something doesn't happen, and I think it would benifit both parties to let Chad go.
And, what's wrong with him chasing some money? Everyone's getting paid, why not him? I think I saw a water boy clear 1.2 mil. With the way teams are throwing money away, I might try to get a spot on the team. Hell, I'll clean jock straps, and towel's everyday for 60K.

Re: Chad Johnson up to his old antics...
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;434375]i had to respond. first, he has every "right" to voice his displeasure. [b]but as long as he is under contract, show up. they are called voluntary, be we all know the reality.[/b] secondly, no he cant just pick up, walk down the street and work for a competitor. but i also cant make the millions that he makes. he has FAR from a normal job. i guarantee everyone on his board would love to have the chance at that kind of money. not trying to argue, just disagreeing[/QUOTE]
Voluntary means voluntary, regardless of contract status.

The argument of 'they make millions and I don't' doesn't hold water, it's hypocritical at best. It's a double standard and an easy cop out of a logical stance.

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[quote=hagams;434378]I agree with the masses. This guy can make plays, and wants to get traded to a team that will provide him with a means to get a ring. It's looking like the snowball effect. It started as he just wanted out, then he demanded a trade, now he skips a work-out. This is going to get big if something doesn't happen, and I think it would benifit both parties to let Chad go.
And, what's wrong with him chasing some money? [B]Everyone's getting paid, why not him?[/B] I think I saw a water boy clear 1.2 mil. With the way teams are throwing money away, I might try to get a spot on the team. Hell, I'll clean jock straps, and towel's everyday for 60K.[/quote]

He is getting paid, he signed a deal in 06. Sometimes we forget that when a player signs a deal the commitment is both ways. The team has significant cap space invested in him & can't just cut or trade him w/out someone helping pick up the tab. I know teams cut players once they're not useful, but players do have the power to affect teams. Just look at what TO & Keyshawn did.

Who knows how this got so ugly, why does he feel "unappreciated?" There's always at least 2 sides to the story. Regardless, his talking to the press & trying to force the bengals hand makes me look at him like the girl who will cheat & leave her boyfriend to be w/you cause she's unhappy. So do you think that girl is going to be loyal to you?

CJ is that girl.

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[quote=Paintrain;434394]Voluntary means voluntary, regardless of contract status.

The argument of 'they make millions and I don't' doesn't hold water, it's hypocritical at best. It's a double standard and an easy cop out of a logical stance.[/quote]

I agree. Until the workouts are mandatory I don't see this as significant news.

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I don't like the 'they make millions' argument either. These guys make the bulk of their lifetime income in a short time span. After the NFL, aside from the few who can transition into something like broadcasting, film, coaching, or business, how many of them will be able to find a steady income. Are they really going to be able to get normal desk jobs? Playing football is the only thing a lot of these guys know, and they leave the game with their bodies ravaged. It's not easy to transition into a normal work environment. That's why so many of them do appearances and signings.

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CJ I believe he is bad news we should stay away from him, yeah he's a good tall clutch receiver which we need but could unsettle the locker room more trouble than he's worth

Re: Chad Johnson up to his old antics...
 

[quote=freddyg12;434396]He is getting paid, he signed a deal in 06. Sometimes we forget that when a player signs a deal the commitment is both ways. The team has significant cap space invested in him & can't just cut or trade him w/out someone helping pick up the tab. I know teams cut players once they're not useful, but players do have the power to affect teams. Just look at what TO & Keyshawn did.

Who knows how this got so ugly, why does he feel "unappreciated?" There's always at least 2 sides to the story. Regardless, his talking to the press & trying to force the bengals hand makes me look at him like the girl who will cheat & leave her boyfriend to be w/you cause she's unhappy. So do you think that girl is going to be loyal to you?

CJ is that girl.[/quote]

If the girl is unhappy then she should not be forced to stay with you.

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I agree but why should the skins bother with him?

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[QUOTE=Posse;434406]I agree but why should the skins bother with him?[/QUOTE] Maybe because he's one of the top 8 WR in the game and that's a huge area of need?

Regardless, Marvin Lewis was on NFL Net last night and once again reiterated that if Johnson plans on playing in the NFL this season it will be in Cincinnati and if he doesn't want to, then he can sit it out but there will be no trade.

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But is marv only doing this because its the skins, if a player doesn't want to play for you is there any point keeping him around could unsettle the rest of the team.

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Honestly, I just don't understand where the support for the comments come from that this is at all "typical" of Chad Johnson, or that he's up to the same "old antics"? When has anything like this ever happened before with CJ? His work ethic is unquestionable and I don't recall him ever holding out before (and this isn't even holding out.....it's not showing up for voluntary workouts). I'm the first guy to jump all over loudmouth crybabies in the NFL, but I don't see anything in CJ's history to indicate that this is typical behavior for him. He obviously has a beef with the team and his contract, but I don't recall that ever happening before. Just my opinion.

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valid opinion, no you can't question his work ethic, maybe we all have a bad opinion on CJ maybe it's not him but the coaching staff Like Marv.

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Johnson does not lose anything by not attending voluntary workouts. Just what until the OTA's start up where money is concerned. If he has a workout bonus in his contract for mandatory OTA's, then he stands to lose coinage when he does not show up.

I'll bet you that when it starts costing him money, he will be there.
Do you think he will be a camp holdout? Nope, he won't want to pay those fines. Mark my words, when money starts coming out of his pocket, he will show up.

I am reminded of Lance Briggs last year at this time. He said "I'll never play another down as a Bear". Then when the OTA's were going to cost him money, he was the first one in the locker room to suit up for workouts.

Was just talking to a friend about this last night. Johnson is screaming trade all day and every day. But we do not hear him scream about paying back his signing bonus or buying out his contract for the trade. If he really wants out of Cincy so badly, why does he not offer to pay back that money? He won't. By demanding a trade, he is essentially demanding the Bengals to absorb an 8 million dollar cap hit in dead money. If he wants out that much, why does he not offer to pay that back to Cincy? He needs to pony up and put up or shut up.

Johnson likes to talk a big game, but when it comes down to it, he is not prepared to make the sacrifice to see it through.

Until Johnson offers to pay back that money and/or buy out his contract, his trade demands have ZERO credibility. Why should the Bengals make all of the financial sacrifices when it is Johnson who wants out?

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[quote=Redskin;434405]If the girl is unhappy then she should not be forced to stay with you.[/quote]

no argument there. if it's a situation where she can just walk away, then why not do so? Problem is, he entered into a contract w/this team & they face serious cap loss by trading him.