Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=GMScud;449164]Colt Brennan = Ty Detmer[/quote]

You're giving him too much credit. Detmer actually played in the NFL. :D

Re: Colt Brennan
 

i think i just said all q.b's taken in the 6th round are hall of famers? Brennen will have his hands full just trying to make the team. sorry sheriff

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;449209]i think i just said all q.b's taken in the 6th round are hall of famers? Brennen will have his hands full just trying to make the team. sorry sheriff[/QUOTE]

My only points were: (1) that it is unlikely that Brennan will turn out to be some stud; and (2) I never said Brennan absolutely cannot become a good QB, so I don't know how my logic was flawed. I also realize that you do not think much of Brennan, but I cringe when I hear references to Brady being drafted in the 6th round.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

It's always interesting to see how a QB makes the transition to the NFL after tearing it up in college. It's the Heisman trophy thing. Just b/c you might be the best player in college doesn't mean your game will continue to be the same in the pros. I think that's why you get so much disagreement.

In CB's case, he's a passer and not just an athelete who happens to play QB. It wll be interesting to see. Let's be realistic though, right now he's just trying to make the team. He's not going to play this year or next unless we have some serious injuires.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

Colt is a good athlete & throws the ball well, but that can be said of most of the qb's that go to nfl camps. He'll have to show some composure in the preseason after his last 2 outings as a college qb (v. Georgia & the senior bowl). It may not have been his fault but in that georgia game, you couldn't tell much about his game.

I don't think the coaches will be quick to cut him unless Hollenbach or someone else really emerges as decent prospect to be future #2. I see him at least making the practice squad.

He needs 2 solid years as a clip board holder. I think it will come down to his work ethic & patience. I believe he's talented enough to play in the nfl, he's just going to take a while to develop. He's light years behind JC at this point.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=djnemo65;449179]To be fair, he was being talked about as a third round pick not so long ago. He had two bad games which dropped his stock - one in which he was severely over matched, the other in which he was injured - but he has quite a pedigree as far as sixth round picks go. He is the all-time NCAA TD leader, which is no small accomplishment.[/quote]

So was Timmy Chang,Ty Detmer, Andre Ware and David Klingler. In the system and conference he plays in stats are so out of whack. The defenses in the WAC conference are just not on the same level as the SEC. If he were playing against top teams his stats wouldn't be so crazy. He plays agaisnt teams like Nevada most of the time. You still have to be a good college player but the all time TD record doesn't tell the whole story.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=skinsfan69;449226]So was Timmy Chang,Ty Detmer, Andre Ware and David Klingler. In the system and conference he plays in stats are so out of whack. The defenses in the WAC conference are just not on the same level as the SEC. If he were playing against top teams his stats wouldn't be so crazy. He plays agaisnt teams like Nevada most of the time. You still have to be a good college player but the all time TD record doesn't tell the whole story.[/quote]

well put & good references. I haven't heard Chang mentioned in...don't know how long!

I think it's awfully hard for scouts to evaluate speed in reading defenses & delivering the ball at that level of competition. some guys can look awfully quick because their whole team is much better than the competition.

I'll at least say that Colt seemed tough in that georgia game cause they put him on his back a no. of times.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;449216]My only points were: (1) that it is unlikely that Brennan will turn out to be some stud; and (2) I never said Brennan absolutely cannot become a good QB, so I don't know how my logic was flawed. I also realize that you do not think much of Brennan, but I cringe when I hear references to Brady being drafted in the 6th round.[/quote]

Agreed. Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, and Ron Dayne all put up gigantic numbers in college and none have done anything significant as pros. And Tom Brady is a once-in-league-history story. To think that'll happen again is dreaming.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;449238]Agreed. Timmy Chang, Ty Detmer, and Ron Dayne all put up gigantic numbers in college and none have done anything significant as pros. And Tom Brady is a once-in-league-history story. To think that'll happen again is dreaming.[/QUOTE]

I would say Brady is rare but not "once in a league history" thing - Unitas was the original Brady.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;449241]I would say Brady is rare but not "once in a league history" thing - Unitas was the original Brady.[/quote]

Brady was a 6th round pick who only got a shot because of a fluke injury to Drew Bledsoe, and has gone on to win 3 super bowls and put up ridiculous offensive numbers, has made multiple pro-bowls, and has a good chance of going down as the best QB in league history before it's all said and done. I'd say that's pretty darn close to a once in a lifetime kind of situation.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

The good news for Brennen is that there is an open spot at #3 quarterback. He has every shot at making the team. Hasselbeck was a 6th round pick and it took him 4 years as a backup before he was ready to start. Tony Romo was undrafted. Hasselbeck is probably a more realistic comparisson than "Brady was a 6th round pick". Brady is the "once in a generation" exception. I would think that the Hasselbeck senario is what Zorn and co. are hoping for.... and there have been plenty of good QB's to come out of the late rounds or undrafted (at least for the NFC).

For comparison sake...
2007 Pro Bowl QB's (NFC)
Drew Brees - [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees"][B]NFL Draft[/B]: 2001 / Round: 2 / Pick: 32[/URL]
Mark Bulger - [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Bulger"][B]NFL Draft[/B]: 2000 / Round: 6 / Pick: 168[/URL]
Tony Romo - [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Romo"]Undrafted in 2003[/URL]

2008 Pro Bowl QB's (NFC)
Brett Farve - [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"][B]NFL Draft[/B]: 1991 / Round: 2 / Pick: 33[/URL]
Tony Romo - [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Romo"]Undrafted in 2003[/URL]
Matt Hasselbeck - [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hasselbeck"][B]NFL Draft[/B]: 1998 / Round: 6 / Pick: 184[/URL]
Jeff Garcia - [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Garcia"]Undrafted in 1994[/URL]

Re: Colt Brennan
 

Colt and Andre Ware is a great comparison right now. An unproven small school QB that played in the pass happy run & shoot offense. His passing numbers (records) in college are inflated because they threw the ball a lot and they played against weak teams.

Hey I welcome Colt to the Redskins and hope he becomes great. But it is definitely a wait and see situation. Last season Carson Palmer's brother was also brought with good potential and he is....?

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=freddyg12;449227]well put & good references. I haven't heard Chang mentioned in...don't know how long![/quote]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/23347-colt-brennan-profile.html#post445453[/URL]

:D

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[QUOTE=GMScud;449243]Brady was a 6th round pick who only got a shot because of a fluke injury to Drew Bledsoe, and has gone on to win 3 super bowls and put up ridiculous offensive numbers, has made multiple pro-bowls, and has a good chance of going down as the best QB in league history before it's all said and done. I'd say that's pretty darn close to a once in a lifetime kind of situation.[/QUOTE]

I'll give you "once in a lifetime" or "once in a generation". You originally, however, said "once in league history". But, like I said, Unitas had similar travails and is considered one of the greatest, if not THE greatest ever. My point is simply that Brady's story has happened before and, in all likliehood, will happen again at some point (albeit around 2030ish).

Re: Colt Brennan
 

Watching Colt Brennan against Georgia in the Sugar Bowl was embarrasing. From memory he had 3 ints and 8 sacks. He also looked slow and confused. I realize his team was overmatched but he really wasn't much help either. The BCS needs to do more to weed out these phony teams and their phony undefeated records. Georgia should have been playing for a National Title and instead they get a J.V. High School team.